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  • BDD Moderators: Keif’ Richards | negrogesic

Benzos Another 3075million alprazolam question

I'm actually well acquainted with this literature, one of my post-grad supervisors has done a lot of work on 1,4-benzodiazepines. Not that there's much research on this topic.

There is no reason to think that benzodiazepines cause cancer, although they may. The paper you provided does not examine a causal link between benzodiazepines and cancer, but what it does do is uncover a very obvious confounding effect between those who use benzodiazepines and the sorts of cancers associated with poor lifestyle choices. This paper uncovers the same confounding effect I just mentioned. An example could be that people with mental health disorders are more likely to smoke, or have eating disorders etc.

Interestingly, a handful of possible anticancer drug targets are benzodiazepines. This paper covers that in more depth.

I'm not denying benzodiazepines may cause cancer, but from the research I've read and the paper you just provided, it seems to me that the currently available evidence that benzodiazepines cause cancer at doses seen in humans is poor.
 
I'm actually well acquainted with this literature, one of my post-grad supervisors has done a lot of work on 1,4-benzodiazepines. Not that there's much research on this topic.

There is no reason to think that benzodiazepines cause cancer, although they may. The paper you provided does not examine a causal link between benzodiazepines and cancer, but what it does do is uncover a very obvious confounding effect between those who use benzodiazepines and the sorts of cancers associated with poor lifestyle choices. This paper uncovers the same confounding effect I just mentioned. An example could be that people with mental health disorders are more likely to smoke, or have eating disorders etc.

Interestingly, a handful of possible anticancer drug targets are benzodiazepines. This paper covers that in more depth.

I'm not denying benzodiazepines may cause cancer, but from the research I've read and the paper you just provided, it seems to me that the currently available evidence that benzodiazepines cause cancer at doses seen in humans is poor.
So, you just came here to reiterate what I already said in the above? I am not sure of the point of your interjection whatsoever considering you just said what I did with many more words after some probing...

Not trying to be rude, but I feel your original comment may mislead some people and your response to my questioning led me to the realization that you were simply being redundant....
 
@goaway12345

Yes, the pills are the same. You are dealing with Alprazolam (Xanax) so the dosage is universally interchangeable with any other Alprazolam product, whether it be a tablet, capsule, solution or powder. As long as you know the Alprazolam content of what you have in front of you, you make the adjustments to the dosage and you're fine.

I can see that you're relatively green at this stuff, so I will include some other information. Benzodiazepines in general, Alprazolam (Xanax), Clonazepam (Klonopin), Lorazepam (Ativan) and so on are all essentially interchangeable. A person who say, only had access to Clonazepam but like yourself, usually takes Alprazolam, should be able to get by without much of a perceivable difference.
 
@goaway12345

Yes, the pills are the same. You are dealing with Alprazolam (Xanax) so the dosage is universally interchangeable with any other Alprazolam product, whether it be a tablet, capsule, solution or powder. As long as you know the Alprazolam content of what you have in front of you, you make the adjustments to the dosage and you're fine.

I can see that you're relatively green at this stuff, so I will include some other information. Benzodiazepines in general, Alprazolam (Xanax), Clonazepam (Klonopin), Lorazepam (Ativan) and so on are all essentially interchangeable. A person who say, only had access to Clonazepam but like yourself, usually takes Alprazolam, should be able to get by without much of a perceivable difference.
Tried clonazepam didn't do anything for me. Same as lorazepam. I guess my body just needs dat crack of benzodiazepines mang.
 
Tried clonazepam didn't do anything for me. Same as lorazepam. I guess my body just needs dat crack of benzodiazepines mang.
Also note they all have different pharmacokinetics. Clonazepam is long acting, lorazepam mid range, and alp is short. Also the Ki values for each varies significantly (pharmacodynamics,) and thus the effects are substantially different. Alprazolam is ~1nM, Clonazepam is ~0.4nM, and Lorazepam is ~0.2nM. Additionally, they bind at the GABAa receptor subtypes differently as well and thus their different applications in medicine. So, long story short, while they are similar in effect the other person who posted before me seems to have a very basic knowledge of pharmacology based on what he said and would be wise to do some further investigating himself regarding the subject if I do say so myself. You're getting info bit by bit, but I at least want it to be accurate.

Still no fucking clue who told you that the tagamet causes cancer. That is just not true lol
 
Google told me lolol
Don't use Google....
More info on why not here: https://fuckoffgoogle.de/

Alternatives here: https://wiki.fuckoffgoogle.de/index.php?title=GoogleAlternatives
I might be paranoid or I'm just stoned

I'd be more paranoid about Google if I were you than that innocent little tablet that is being trialed as an anti-cancer drug considering Google works with governments and is willing to censor whatever the government doesn't want you to find out about lol

 
"The effects of alprazolam, clonazepam, and lorazepam on the brain are determined by their specific binding sites on GABA\(_A\) receptor subtypes and how they modulate the receptor's function. Here’s an overview of the binding mechanisms, subunit interactions, and the resulting effects:

---

### **GABA\(_A\) Receptor Structure**
- The GABA\(_A\) receptor is a ligand-gated ion channel composed of five subunits arranged around a central chloride channel.
- Common subunits include \(\alpha\), \(\beta\), and \(\gamma\).
- Benzodiazepines (BZDs) bind to a specific site located at the interface between the \(\alpha\) and \(\gamma\) subunits, distinct from the binding site for GABA.
- Different subtypes of the \(\alpha\) subunit (\(\alpha_1\), \(\alpha_2\), \(\alpha_3\), \(\alpha_5\)) confer specific effects due to varying brain region distributions and functions.

---

### **Binding Affinities and Subtype Selectivity**
1. **Alprazolam (Xanax)**:
- **Binding**: High affinity for GABA\(_A\) receptors containing \(\alpha_1\), \(\alpha_2\), and \(\alpha_3\) subunits.
- **Effects**:
- \(\alpha_1\): Sedative and hypnotic effects (sleep-inducing).
- \(\alpha_2\): Anxiolytic (anxiety-reducing) effects.
- \(\alpha_3\): Possible mild muscle relaxation and anxiolysis.
- **Implications**: Alprazolam’s strong binding to \(\alpha_1\) subtypes contributes to its fast onset of sedation, while interactions with \(\alpha_2\) mediate its primary use as an anxiolytic.

2. **Clonazepam (Klonopin)**:
- **Binding**: Potent binding to GABA\(_A\) receptors with \(\alpha_2\), \(\alpha_3\), and \(\alpha_5\) subunits, with some affinity for \(\alpha_1\).
- **Effects**:
- \(\alpha_2\): Strong anxiolytic effects.
- \(\alpha_3\): Muscle relaxant and anticonvulsant effects.
- \(\alpha_5\): Cognitive and memory effects (amnesic properties).
- **Implications**: Clonazepam’s anticonvulsant and anxiolytic effects make it effective for seizure management and generalized anxiety, with less pronounced sedation compared to alprazolam.

3. **Lorazepam (Ativan)**:
- **Binding**: Broad affinity for \(\alpha_1\), \(\alpha_2\), \(\alpha_3\), and \(\alpha_5\) subunits, but with a slightly lower \(\alpha_1\) preference compared to alprazolam.
- **Effects**:
- \(\alpha_1\): Sedation and hypnotic effects.
- \(\alpha_2\): Anxiolytic effects.
- \(\alpha_3\): Muscle relaxant effects.
- \(\alpha_5\): Cognitive effects, including memory impairment.
- **Implications**: Lorazepam provides a balance of sedative, anxiolytic, and anticonvulsant effects, making it suitable for anxiety, insomnia, and seizures, though it has stronger sedative properties than clonazepam.

---

### **What These Binding Profiles Mean for Effects**
1. **Anxiolysis**:
- Predominantly mediated by binding to \(\alpha_2\) subunits.
- All three drugs target \(\alpha_2\), but clonazepam is particularly effective due to its high affinity.

2. **Sedation and Hypnosis**:
- Mediated by \(\alpha_1\) subunit binding.
- Alprazolam and lorazepam show stronger sedative effects than clonazepam because of their greater \(\alpha_1\) interaction.

3. **Muscle Relaxation**:
- Linked to \(\alpha_3\) subunits.
- Clonazepam is particularly effective as a muscle relaxant due to its strong \(\alpha_3\) binding.

4. **Cognitive and Memory Effects**:
- Mediated by \(\alpha_5\) subunits, leading to amnesia and impairments in learning.
- Lorazepam and clonazepam have more pronounced cognitive effects due to their interaction with \(\alpha_5\).

---

### **Clinical Implications**
- **Alprazolam**:
- Best suited for acute anxiety and panic attacks due to its fast onset and strong sedative properties.
- Sedation may interfere with daily functioning if used long-term.

- **Clonazepam**:
- Ideal for conditions requiring prolonged anxiolysis or anticonvulsant effects, such as generalized anxiety disorder or epilepsy.
- Less sedating than alprazolam, making it preferable for daytime use.

- **Lorazepam**:
- A versatile option for managing anxiety, insomnia, and seizures.
- Its strong sedative effects make it useful for pre-procedural anxiolysis but less desirable for daytime anxiety management.

---

### **Conclusion**
The subtype selectivity of benzodiazepines for GABA\(_A\) receptor subunits determines their specific clinical and subjective effects. Understanding these differences allows for targeted use based on individual needs and therapeutic goals, while minimizing side effects."


Just FYI @goaway12345 :)
 
"The effects of alprazolam, clonazepam, and lorazepam on the brain are determined by their specific binding sites on GABA\(_A\) receptor subtypes and how they modulate the receptor's function. Here’s an overview of the binding mechanisms, subunit interactions, and the resulting effects:

---

### **GABA\(_A\) Receptor Structure**
- The GABA\(_A\) receptor is a ligand-gated ion channel composed of five subunits arranged around a central chloride channel.
- Common subunits include \(\alpha\), \(\beta\), and \(\gamma\).
- Benzodiazepines (BZDs) bind to a specific site located at the interface between the \(\alpha\) and \(\gamma\) subunits, distinct from the binding site for GABA.
- Different subtypes of the \(\alpha\) subunit (\(\alpha_1\), \(\alpha_2\), \(\alpha_3\), \(\alpha_5\)) confer specific effects due to varying brain region distributions and functions.

---

### **Binding Affinities and Subtype Selectivity**
1. **Alprazolam (Xanax)**:
- **Binding**: High affinity for GABA\(_A\) receptors containing \(\alpha_1\), \(\alpha_2\), and \(\alpha_3\) subunits.
- **Effects**:
- \(\alpha_1\): Sedative and hypnotic effects (sleep-inducing).
- \(\alpha_2\): Anxiolytic (anxiety-reducing) effects.
- \(\alpha_3\): Possible mild muscle relaxation and anxiolysis.
- **Implications**: Alprazolam’s strong binding to \(\alpha_1\) subtypes contributes to its fast onset of sedation, while interactions with \(\alpha_2\) mediate its primary use as an anxiolytic.

2. **Clonazepam (Klonopin)**:
- **Binding**: Potent binding to GABA\(_A\) receptors with \(\alpha_2\), \(\alpha_3\), and \(\alpha_5\) subunits, with some affinity for \(\alpha_1\).
- **Effects**:
- \(\alpha_2\): Strong anxiolytic effects.
- \(\alpha_3\): Muscle relaxant and anticonvulsant effects.
- \(\alpha_5\): Cognitive and memory effects (amnesic properties).
- **Implications**: Clonazepam’s anticonvulsant and anxiolytic effects make it effective for seizure management and generalized anxiety, with less pronounced sedation compared to alprazolam.

3. **Lorazepam (Ativan)**:
- **Binding**: Broad affinity for \(\alpha_1\), \(\alpha_2\), \(\alpha_3\), and \(\alpha_5\) subunits, but with a slightly lower \(\alpha_1\) preference compared to alprazolam.
- **Effects**:
- \(\alpha_1\): Sedation and hypnotic effects.
- \(\alpha_2\): Anxiolytic effects.
- \(\alpha_3\): Muscle relaxant effects.
- \(\alpha_5\): Cognitive effects, including memory impairment.
- **Implications**: Lorazepam provides a balance of sedative, anxiolytic, and anticonvulsant effects, making it suitable for anxiety, insomnia, and seizures, though it has stronger sedative properties than clonazepam.

---

### **What These Binding Profiles Mean for Effects**
1. **Anxiolysis**:
- Predominantly mediated by binding to \(\alpha_2\) subunits.
- All three drugs target \(\alpha_2\), but clonazepam is particularly effective due to its high affinity.

2. **Sedation and Hypnosis**:
- Mediated by \(\alpha_1\) subunit binding.
- Alprazolam and lorazepam show stronger sedative effects than clonazepam because of their greater \(\alpha_1\) interaction.

3. **Muscle Relaxation**:
- Linked to \(\alpha_3\) subunits.
- Clonazepam is particularly effective as a muscle relaxant due to its strong \(\alpha_3\) binding.

4. **Cognitive and Memory Effects**:
- Mediated by \(\alpha_5\) subunits, leading to amnesia and impairments in learning.
- Lorazepam and clonazepam have more pronounced cognitive effects due to their interaction with \(\alpha_5\).

---

### **Clinical Implications**
- **Alprazolam**:
- Best suited for acute anxiety and panic attacks due to its fast onset and strong sedative properties.
- Sedation may interfere with daily functioning if used long-term.

- **Clonazepam**:
- Ideal for conditions requiring prolonged anxiolysis or anticonvulsant effects, such as generalized anxiety disorder or epilepsy.
- Less sedating than alprazolam, making it preferable for daytime use.

- **Lorazepam**:
- A versatile option for managing anxiety, insomnia, and seizures.
- Its strong sedative effects make it useful for pre-procedural anxiolysis but less desirable for daytime anxiety management.

---

### **Conclusion**
The subtype selectivity of benzodiazepines for GABA\(_A\) receptor subunits determines their specific clinical and subjective effects. Understanding these differences allows for targeted use based on individual needs and therapeutic goals, while minimizing side effects."


Just FYI @goaway12345 :)
Fuck I'm too alprazzied ATM to read all that.

Question, does it matter how many tagamet I take like will 2 potentiate it more than just 1?
 
I don't want you to misunderstand my point of view on Benzodiazepines. I often use the idiom "horses of different colors" when I'm describing the differences between different Benzodiazepines, Opioids, Cannabis and so on. There are people whose lives are dedicated to the study of Cannabis who can debate the minutiae of different terpenes and shit until the end of time. For someone who has never smoked weed before, they're probably just gonna say they're stoned.

Benzodiazepines definitely have different effects. Some are longer acting, some are more potent, some are better for sleep etc. We try our best to package our information in a way that is easy for the wider public to understand. We can talk about binding sites, neurotransmitters and all of that, but for most people, that's way beyond the breadth of knowledge that they have or even want to have.

I don't want to minimize the differences. For folks new to pharmacology, it's easier to learn about Benzodiazepines as a single entity prior to parsng out the details. FYI, we do have a neuroscience thread that is dedicated to more complex topics like it seems you're interested in. I'd chec, that out. You'd probably find a lot of stuff you're into.
 
I don't want you to misunderstand my point of view on Benzodiazepines. I often use the idiom "horses of different colors" when I'm describing the differences between different Benzodiazepines, Opioids, Cannabis and so on. There are people whose lives are dedicated to the study of Cannabis who can debate the minutiae of different terpenes and shit until the end of time. For someone who has never smoked weed before, they're probably just gonna say they're stoned.

Benzodiazepines definitely have different effects. Some are longer acting, some are more potent, some are better for sleep etc. We try our best to package our information in a way that is easy for the wider public to understand. We can talk about binding sites, neurotransmitters and all of that, but for most people, that's way beyond the breadth of knowledge that they have or even want to have.

I don't want to minimize the differences. For folks new to pharmacology, it's easier to learn about Benzodiazepines as a single entity prior to parsng out the details. FYI, we do have a neuroscience thread that is dedicated to more complex topics like it seems you're interested in. I'd chec, that out. You'd probably find a lot of stuff you're into.
Ahh, very well then. I understand it now that you've explained it in such a way to me. I often do find most people aside from psychiatrists and addiction medicine specialists giving me blank stares when I try to speak about such in person, so perhaps that explains a lot. I never really thought about it in such a way. I guess maybe I will head over there for a while and check things out. I honestly just popped in over here because I wanted to share some knowledge with the newcomers, but I see now more clearly. Thank you!
 
Fuck I'm too alprazzied ATM to read all that.

Question, does it matter how many tagamet I take like will 2 potentiate it more than just 1?
Once the enzymes in the liver are saturated it doesn't matter how much more you take really. The only difference would be a greater AUC due to the elimination taking longer as the Cmax would be higher if you took two. So, I guess there may be some minor benefit to it as the metabolism of the alprazolam would take slightly longer as well, but I don't know how considerable that would be or if it would be worth it to be totally honest. That involves far more mathematics than I am willing to do right now for a question such as this to be totally honest. Just stick with one and you should be better off would be my recommendation. You will get more out of the tagamet in the long run that way; it is more economical and I know that as a fact without doing any solving of equations lol
 
I'm actually well acquainted with this literature, one of my post-grad supervisors has done a lot of work on 1,4-benzodiazepines. Not that there's much research on this topic.

There is no reason to think that benzodiazepines cause cancer, although they may. The paper you provided does not examine a causal link between benzodiazepines and cancer, but what it does do is uncover a very obvious confounding effect between those who use benzodiazepines and the sorts of cancers associated with poor lifestyle choices. This paper uncovers the same confounding effect I just mentioned. An example could be that people with mental health disorders are more likely to smoke, or have eating disorders etc.

Interestingly, a handful of possible anticancer drug targets are benzodiazepines. This paper covers that in more depth.

I'm not denying benzodiazepines may cause cancer, but from the research I've read and the paper you just provided, it seems to me that the currently available evidence that benzodiazepines cause cancer at doses seen in humans is poor.
FACTS I used to be addicted to over 400 mg of Xanax so I definitely did the research to confirm that there's no good correlation to prove that it causes cancer
 
Once the enzymes in the liver are saturated it doesn't matter how much more you take really. The only difference would be a greater AUC due to the elimination taking longer as the Cmax would be higher if you took two. So, I guess there may be some minor benefit to it as the metabolism of the alprazolam would take slightly longer as well, but I don't know how considerable that would be or if it would be worth it to be totally honest. That involves far more mathematics than I am willing to do right now for a question such as this to be totally honest. Just stick with one and you should be better off would be my recommendation. You will get more out of the tagamet in the long run that way; it is more economical and I know that as a fact without doing any solving of equations lol
If you want to extend how long they last per dose and increase absorption I would take four just don't do it all the time for your body sake but once every now and then is okay for sure

The only reason I take cimetidine is pretty much just to extend that half life that's its biggest benefit to me
 
If you want to extend how long they last per dose and increase absorption I would take four just don't do it all the time for your body sake but once every now and then is okay for sure

The only reason I take cimetidine is pretty much just to extend that half life that's its biggest benefit to me
Interesting, you are actually correct here... as it should so happen, the inhibition is said to be 20-40% at 200mg and 50-80% at 800mg...
 
Thank you a lot I will try thar
Just please be careful because you'll never be able to take it without it if you do it for too long because you're tolerance will be so much higher and you'll easily get more addicted to it because it does last about roughly another 2 hours more for me when I used to do it

Which basically makes it less of a short acting benzo which will make the withdrawal much worse
 
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