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mebroken

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I didn't know what prefix to use here so I went w/ optimism and choose recovery journal cause that's what I'm striving for. Currently on an H taper (have gone from 2 buns/day to 6 bags/day over past 2 weeks) from which I plan to get down to tiny- like 1/2 bag shots twice a day- doses and jump from there. Doable? I sure hope so. Have to have crazy self control, not something typical of drug addicts, but I'm not the typical drug addict or I would've never survived the past 40 something years of shooting dope and still have a wonderful job and other than BF no one knows of my double life, not even family.
So why quit? Cause BF cannot function like I do and hasn't left bed in 3 years and we are backed into serious financial hole. My job, as much as I love it, just doesn't make enough to support two major habits and a house and bills, etc. His does, but he won't go to work unless clean (owns own co. so doesn't have to go, things running on autopilot but starting to fall apart big time). Plus he is miserable. Me, I could go on forever, but even w/ brand new needle every time it is getting harder and harder to find a usable vein anywhere on body. Plus I would like to spend a cent on something other than dope some day. And I did have 8 yrs clean once back in the 1990's and it didn't suck. But basically doing this cause I have to money wise or going to be sitting in a dark cold house waiting for bank to kick us out. Motivation enough? Yeah.

I have gabapentin, phenobarbital (accidentally ran into free bottle of 100 1/2g tabs- not something I would usually take but anything that can help the hell of w/d), dextomethorphan, loperamide, Motrin, Aleve, vit B comp, calcium/magnesium, and 2 measly kpins...sure wish I had more of those for detox time...will keep trying to get more since imho they help the most before the jump off but it's not looking hopeful. And somewhere hidden in house is one subtex- where I have no clue. Guess I could spend my day off here cleaning this shithole and try to find.

Ugh already feeling squirrelly and sweating a bit and I have 4 more hours before I can have a little old one bag shot. Typing this out helps tho, it's so easy to live in denial that everything is oh just ducky instead of really sucky.
Must stay strong. Am not allowed to do more than 5 bags today -2 done at 6am, 1 to be done at 3pm, then 2 right before bed at like 10-11pm. Tomorrow the same. Next day it will be down to 4 bags, and day after that. Then down to 3 bags for 2 days. And so on.
Anyone ever heard of anyone doing a successful H taper? While working too, ugh. No cant get off work, only good thing is that we work long shifts so 4 day work week, but don't have my 3 days off in a row, only 2 of them. Think there's a point where tapering further won't help and I'm just torturing myself? Think I better take some gabapentin right now to stop the sweats. Any input, suggestions, thoughts, whatever, very welcome. This is not going to be a picinic in the park at my age and history. Oh and I also have chronic pain issues (had it beautiful there for a while on pain clinic but got kicked out for dirty u/a), but I can deal w/ pain...any kind of pain but w/d pain- that's the worst pain in world.
Be lying if I said I wasn't scared of next few weeks/months of life.
 
Hey, mebroken! So glad you started this journal. (I think that's a perfect prefix :)).

That's a fast taper! How are you feeling on it so far? Do you have some latitude to slow it down a bit? But, that's a pretty complete comfort med kit, so who knows? Maybe you'll be feeling OK.

As to your question, yes, it's definitely possible to taper heroin. But to be honest, it is extremely difficult for many people... one of the reasons it's often more practical to taper using a partial agonist like bupe instead of H or similar.
 
Hi Mebroken
I am also using the gabapention for withdrawling from fentanyl patch ...You can read my thread 'buzzy head feeling ' to see how I am dealing ...you are right this is really hard...I am also a chronic pain person who hates pain... i have many reason for getting off this.... one of them is reading in the news every damn day of someone dying from fentanyl laced H and I feel guilty that I take fentanyl as if my usage is floating through the universe and killing people , I know weird thoughts :-( I am having a not so great day.. so excuse me for that... I do want to say I took my gabapention about hour and a half ago and I think its starting to help my brain receptors so that a good thing maybe today won't be a crappy day after all ....
 
Thanks simco. I wish I could do this slower but things have come to crisis stage finically so no choice/options left. No lying, today has been rough. Why does time grind to a halt when ya don't feel good? Bastard time, minutes that seem like hours, blah.

Nomasfent- sounds like we are in simular boats. I just broke down and took some gaba so I can make it to the next scheduled shot. Trying to save the gaba for the jump off but I do have plenty so I guess no harm done(well as long as I don't keep turning to the gaba- I want it to work full force when I'll need it most). This tapering stuff is hard-especially when you have shit right in house that would make any discomfort vanish...but we have to keep the goal first and foremost in our thoughts!
Thanks, it helped me typing that out.
 
tapering heroin is insanely difficult to do, might not even be possible... you always end up justifying a reason to do another shot. There is simply no room for willpower in this equation I'm sorry but you will see. Consider getting in suboxone or meth long term? Im on it and it saved my life...
 
I also suggest you look into replacing the short acting opioid you've been using (heroin) with a longer acting one (ideally buprenorphine or methadone). Given the length and severity of your habit OP, I'd say your best bet is either replacing the heroin with methadone or morphine (PPT for instance, if you can't get pharmaceutical stuff), stabilizing on a longer acting opioid and then beginning the taper. That is what they call an extended detox. In your cases I doubt it would take less than six months to really do comfortably, it may even take longer.

I don't mean to say this kind of thing to scare you, just to highlight the seriousness of what you're up against. I mean, you already know this shit is serious or you wouldn't be asking us for feedback, plus I have a feeling that deep inside you know that the current course of your use isn't sustainable looking ahead. It sounds like your partner would really benefit from some help too. How does he feel about this whole thing? He's probably really scared about what the future holds.
 
I've actually done it last time I detoxed off H however I did have morphine pills to switch to after last shot to make taper last another week, not so lucky this time. I will never get on methadone again in my life - when I had to detox off that (was in detox facility) I didn't sleep or eat for weeks and lost my mind from being so sick. Subs I don't seem to have luck with- can take after 48 hrs of H w/d and scoring over a 28 on that scale thingie and still get horrible precipated w/d's. Why, I don't know- maybe cause I've used for so so many yrs (my first shot of dope was in the 1970's) and my cells are saturated w/ dope? Lol.
I can't really get my hands on either one anyways. Nearest methadone clinic is not very close and I cannot run into anyone w/o ruining the double life that I've worked so hard to protect- my job is one that drug use is not an option. I don't have the money to try to go to the one sub dr round here- doesn't take insurance only $650. cash up front. Basically I have to make this work, I only have so many bags in house to stick to plan or suffer the consequences of a harder jump off. I wish there was another way, really I do, this isn't fun, But. I. Have. No. Choice.
Sucks to be me. My piper has been waiting long time to get paid. He's pissed and wanting to hurt me. Ugh.
 
In that case, what kinds of comfort meds do you have to work with other than gabapentin? There are a lot of medications you can use to help you get through detox (kratom, loperamide, DXM, diazepam, gabapentin, clonidine, etc) relatively stable. You are planning to keep up with your normal everyday life while you are detoxing though? That will be incredibly difficult, it's much preferable to take some time off in order to properly care for yourself.
 
" It sounds like your partner would really benefit from some help too. How does he feel about this whole thing? He's probably really scared about what the future holds."

Yeah he is. And nope he won't/can't do a taper. What can I do? He can lay in bed all day every day, I have to work. I've helped him all I can, I have to get myself thru this. Hell if he would've just gone to work every day instead of seclude get himself in house for past 3 plus years we wouldn't be in this crisis. He magically might come up w/ money to make another run for himself but that's on him. I keep begging him to bring habit down but deaf ears and all.
Yeah I know that's another strike against this working but I'm still sticking to plan like glue another day..down to 5 bags a day now. Gotta suffer until 9-10 pm to do sleepy time shot even tho a just got home from 10 hr shift on my feet nonstop emergencies and would sure like to do that shot now. But I will not. Not written on my taper paper. Lol.
 
Thanks TPD for caring. I listed what I have in 2nd paragraph of opening post. But you have just given me an idea I didn't think of -damn! That Krantom stuff- I have read it mentioned a few times here in my lurking but I really don't know shit bout it except 'red something' is most like H. I do have a few bucks to order that....is it legal still in NY?
 
We don't answer questions regarding the legality of substances on BL. Check erowid.org or search google to find out if it is legal in your area. For the most part, kratom is kratom. If you want to learn more about it, I suggest you search OD or check out their kratom megathread.
 
Mebroken I think you are doing a awesome job and yea time is creeping by..... I could not believe I counted my days and I am only on day 18.. I feel like it has been years ....I got some kratom but I am scared to take it ...I get very bad axiody that things will make me sicker ...so there is sits... I figure when i am off totally and feeling like death then I will take it HA ...I am taking my gabapention daily as prescribed by my doctor and I really do think it is helping, I am still working on what is the best was as in time of day , spread out my dose or do the dose all at the same time ..my doc said just do it how ever it works for me as long as I do the 3 a day total ...I also managed to get some pot it legal in my state, so I am going to save that for my jump off time or after my phyical I don't want to do a dirty uring and mess up being able to taper I honestly just want to see if it works better than the medications I am on that the FDA wants me off of A~holes ... I am crossing my everything that by then my husband will be more willing and understanding why I want to try pot..I already told him I was going to and he was not totally on board...... then his 87 yr old mom asked me if I was going to try it ...she has never done a drug other than from a doctor, or drank, or smoked anything in her life, so it was a good laugh after I told her her son was not real happy when I had brought it up to him hahahahaha ...I am glad I can still find some joy in my days and that is what helps me stay the course and go another day ...I just wish I had more productive energy ....We will get through this mebroken I know we will .... You will then be called 'brokennomore' and I will be 'Fentfree' hahahahaha....super big hugs proud of you making it through another day
 
Hey, Nomas (aka fentfree)...just wanted to say how impressed I am with your progress. You're doing awesome!

I hope you find some relief from the pot. Personally, cannabis has been (and continues to be) a godsend for me as I try to put distance between myself and opiates.

Keep on being awesome! You're doing great.
<3
Sim
 
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