An odd idea about substances with activity at extremely minute doses...

[thatdreamer123]

This could be an absolutely useless high-dea, but I'll throw it out there anyways.

Last night, was a pretty typical night on campus for a friday. Lot's of drinking, and as usual a few ambulances for those who drank too much or did something stupid while too drunk.

Me and some buddies were walking and thought, damn, what if alcohol was consumable in something the size of a tab? As if a few shots of alcohol could be taken by simply swallowing a tab?

The rate of alcohol overdose would increase dramatically, as now it would be easier to consume. I personally, do not drink heavily. And just because of the taste of hard alcohol I find it hard to consume. I love beer, but as everyone knows it takes longer to become intoxicated because there is MASS to consume (more mass than a shot and it's pretty accepted you can get more messed up from hard A, because it is quicker to consume), and this takes a while.

Now, take something like... nBOME. Something that most tabs of this stuff seems to have between 500 and 1000ug, a full dose. And that's what is common. This seems to be most dangerous because it's like this tiny piece of paper, than can mess you up soooo much. Or in the other cases where an nbome powder was consumed at some ridiculous dose and caused death.

According to erowid, a threshold dose of 25C is as low as 25ug.

Pretend for whatever reason this stuff becomes fully legal in some countries (I know it's not banned, but it's still an analogue and still pretty much "gray" area.). And if some sort of drink, same as a can of beer, sure, carbonated too, contained something like 25ug of nbome. And you could purchase this stuff at a store as you would beer.

And since there is so little contained in each can, you'd really have to drink a lot of it for it to have any intense effects. you'd have to drink 20 cans to reach 500ug, and this would be over a period of time.

This could be applied for a lot of substances active at such low amounts.

Only downfall of this that I can imagine is a lot of this stuff cannot simply be "peed" out like beer (part of what keeps many from getting as intoxicated), but would this work as a measure of harm reduction as well as social integration? I know nbome is a bad example due to it's short existence and unpredictable behaviour at this point, but other things could be put in it's place, i.e. I hear a lot of countries serve "shroom shakes" which are just drinks that contain a low amount of mushrooms and serve the same purpose.

Thoughts?

 

[atara]

Unfortunately, this is a difficult trick with NBOMes, as they are largely inactive orally, and also difficult with LSD, as it degrades easily in solution. It could be applied to DOx, maybe, and it works well with mushrooms.

They can be smoked, so specially-marked laced joints (possibly of damiana) could be an effective proposition, especially since the time of onset becomes shorter than the time it takes to smoke a joint, so you'll have a reasonably good indication of whether you're flying too close to the sun.

 

[Toz]

In theory yes this could work, in practice no, people wouldn't want to go through the hassle.

Only way I'd ever consume substances this potent (to which there are no antidote, I can still screw around with fentanyl and feel pretty safe) would be by buying powder, using the proper scale and then liquid dosing it myself. I'd never let some half assed vendor do it for me.

 

[TruffulaTree]

never heard of shroom shakes...

 

[my3rdeye]

Shroom shakes and peyote smoothies. Those are single drinks though, you don't drink them all night. I prefer my dose all at once. I wouldn't eat a cap an hour of mushrooms. By the time you get to the 10th drink that first once already wore off making for a weak trip overall. I wouldn't mind a GHB based beverage though, although with all the date rate hysteria that substance has surrounding it that will never happen.

 

[sekio]

kava and kratom (and to an extent opium) can be administered as a tea, & titrated quite well actually due to their relatively fast onset.

apparently the dutch government recommends weed tea as a low-potency cannabinoid source, too.

 

[Rayalt]

I knew a guy who would craft homebrew beers and infuse them with mushrooms. At a half 8th a beer it was a very novel and pleasing way to ingest them. Not so much now that I don't drink, but was marvelous when I did.

 

[MrPorter]

wouldn't tolerance be an issue with psychedelics? I know i couldn't get a couple of litres down me before the effects really start to kick in.

Consuming large volumes of anything is a horrible experience anyway, psychedelic chunder (not from effects)? No ta.

 

[kidklmx]

If you could make buying a hallucinogenic substance a moral thing in the eyes of the general public, then please, do so. But even then I'd feel a lot more for a 2C-tea or a lysergamine-soda, by which point your idea becomes redundant because you can dose these things safely. That's not to say higher doses can't be overwhelming, but that's a once and never again type of situation.

According to Wiki there's GHB in some beers and wines, my3rdeye.