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Amphetamine extraction

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Mitchy=)

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Hey everyone, me and a friend performed an extraction that i will explain as follows, but have come up with something we are unsure of, if anyone could please fill in the missing pieces of information that would be great.

Started with 80x5mg dexi's (400mg)
We then proceeded to crush all the tablets wash them in 100% Ethanol to get rid of all the chalk using as little Ethanol as we could.
After coming out with about 10ml of liquid (I did not measure this properly so this measurement may be out) we used my idea of evaporating it over a stove on a plate. (plate with liquid on it placed over a pot full of boiling water)
Once it looked like all the liquid was gone we took the plate off to examine it, we both expected it to start crystallising, but instead it stuck to the plate and when scraped off appeared as a thin flake texture.
We ended up with 500mg of these gold looking crystals.
When i used a test kit (mandelin) It had zero reaction, a friend also tried it and felt nothing.

Now the only theory we have is that when it was evaporating we let it get too hot and the fumes coming off where the actual amphetamine (we felt really weird, kind of like we where high, but we consumed a small amount so that's what we thought it was at the time.)
So, my question to you, did we actually get high off the amphetamine fumes vaporising off the plate and lose all out amphetamine? And what happened to it?

It's been confusing me for ages, any help is appreciated.

Thanks lol ;D
 
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Nope, you didn't cook it off - water boils at 100c and dextroamphetamine melts at 300c so you had a very wide margin. As for where your dex went - if it wasn't in what you extracted it stands to reason it was in the chalky goop you threw away.
 
How did you start with 400mg, perform an extraction, and finish with 500mg?


Perhaps you should have tried a smaller scale extraction before you wasted 80 dexamps?
 
He's saying that he had an "ideal" yield of 400 mg. Of course, these extractions aren't ever perfect and the actual yield that you get is always more than the ideal with a decent percentage being various impurities.

Next time, wash with EtOH or IPA, let air dry, scrape up crystals, put in 100% acetone, filter off impurities and, once again, air dry.
 
Was it Dextroamphetamine Sulphate?

Solubility:

Soluble in water(1:4), slightly soluble in alcohol(1:800).

Thats your answer. If you used low grade alcohol (like 70%) more DexAMP would be left in the water than the alcohol...

Also, isopropyl alcohol is different from ethanol. I don't know if it matters what kind of alcohol you use... but i'm not sure.

-lenses
 
u had 80 dexamps and risked destroying it with an extraction? y didnt u just swallow them!?! god ive been looking for another dexedrine hookup for months and u just destroyed 80? thats just really really sad ....
 
quick question - what did you do this for? were you just fucking around to see if it was possible or did you need the pure amphetamine for something?
 
Well the original plan was to get the 80 dexi's and then turn it into pure D-Amphetamine HCL so we could smoke it (just for laughs really, there was no real mission going on) But then we got lazy and just thought, fuck it, pure amp sulphate will do, we will just rail it....
I mean, the extraction is entirely possible, hence me confused about what i fucked up haha :P
 
yeah, i was asking mostly to find out if you were just looking to snort the shit and didn't want to fuck your nose up with all that powder. if that was the case the easiest thing to do is crush up the pills in a spoon and mix with water. then use an oral syringe and a q-tip cotton to filter it and just inhale the liquid. Its not 100% pure, some of the dyes are still in the solution, but in about 2 minutes you can filter out 99% of the binders and fillers in those pills.
 
Exactly Lenses! Why waste good 100% ethanol! when good old H20 would do the trick...

How did you "get rid of the chalk" with your ethanol wash?

This is high school chemistry stuff guys...

Really read up on washes, solutions, and extractions

I'd tell you how to do it but from the sounds of it you'd probably jack the products down your penis eye hoping to get a rush.

Good luck
 
haha funny cunt, read the posts above before being a smart ass. Since your intelligence obviously doesn't get very far I'll repeat myself for you.
turn it into pure D-Amphetamine HCL so we could smoke it
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=] thanks.
 
madman_project said:
exactly lenses! Why waste good 100% ethanol! When good old h20 would do the trick...

How did you "get rid of the chalk" with your ethanol wash?

This is high school chemistry stuff guys...

Really read up on washes, solutions, and extractions

i'd tell you how to do it but from the sounds of it you'd probably jack the products down your penis eye hoping to get a rush.

Good luck
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quoted ftw!
 
yeah mmm dont be jealous cause you wish you had mitchy's pills... they were his so if he wasted them or not isnt really any of our concern he was just wandering what he did wrong
 
tony serro said:
u had 80 dexamps and risked destroying it with an extraction? y didnt u just swallow them!?! god ive been looking for another dexedrine hookup for months and u just destroyed 80? thats just really really sad ....
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why not just swallow? because insulfation has greater b/o - the onset is quicker and more intense. I am not that familiar with dexs, but if its anything like addy's then you have around 90% fillers (one 30mg IR weighs 300mg) to deal with. If you have ever crushed up three 30's then you know that's a lot of powder going up your nose - 900mg to be exact. That would clog up the sinus membranes of Adrian Brody even=D. So, are you sayinig that if you somehow had 90mg of pure amps and d-amps, you would still ingest them? Perhpas you would. But what if your goal was not elongation but buzz magnification?8) Got ya thinking, yes?
 
iloominati said:
why not just swallow? because insulfation has greater b/o - the onset is quicker and more intense. I am not that familiar with dexs, but if its anything like addy's then you have around 90% fillers (one 30mg IR weighs 300mg) to deal with. If you have ever crushed up three 30's then you know that's a lot of powder going up your nose - 900mg to be exact. That would clog up the sinus membranes of Adrian Brody even=D. So, are you sayinig that if you somehow had 90mg of pure amps and d-amps, you would still ingest them? Perhpas you would. But what if your goal was not elongation but buzz magnification?8) Got ya thinking, yes?
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Which is sort of the point of EXTRACTING the amphetamine from the pill filler.

But yes, oral would work fine.
 
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AdOgG0911 said:
yeah, i was asking mostly to find out if you were just looking to snort the shit and didn't want to fuck your nose up with all that powder. if that was the case the easiest thing to do is crush up the pills in a spoon and mix with water. then use an oral syringe and a q-tip cotton to filter it and just inhale the liquid. Its not 100% pure, some of the dyes are still in the solution, but in about 2 minutes you can filter out 99% of the binders and fillers in those pills.
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99% with cotton as your filter? I find that difficult to digest (pardon the pun). I am no expert, but everything I have heard is ultraofiltration is the only way to go, save for a complicated a/b extraction. Think about it. Let's take CorePharma's IR formula for example. The inactive ingredients they use are:

LACTOSE MONOHYDRATE (alcohol sugar)
MAGNESIUM STEARATE
MICROCRYSTALLINE CELLULOSE
PREGALATINIZED STARC:
D&C RED NO. 27 ALUMINUM LAKE as a color additive.(20 mg g and 30 Mg)

Only one of these - micro cellul. has a high mol.wt. that would be filtered out by the cotton. All the others have low mol. wts similar to our amps which range from 286 - 480um. I mean Pharm. Companies usually hire smart chemists, but it takes no Einstein to figure out that by choosing fillers/additives with similar mol. mass and solubility characteristics, it makes it pretty hard to “easily” purify your Adderall IR. In Barr's formula for example only 3 of the 7 ingredients will filter out even using micro (.22um) filtration. That leaves you with 40% of the fillers remaining in your filtrate, assuming they use all 7 in equal amounts, which is unlikely (By the way, does anyone know the percentage of these fillers used? I think its like your breakfast cereal in this respect: the largest ingredient is listed first, the least last. Does this apply to pharm. products as well?) Based on how sweet they taste I would not be surprised if a good 50% is made up of compressible sugar and sacharin sodium both with mol.wts./solubility charachteristics similar to our amps. If you want near purity, i can't help but surmise that it requires a membrane with a 500 MWCO. That is to say a membrane with pores no larger than .50 kilodaltons, a buchner funnel/flask and patience- lots of it.

Chemists out there, correct me if I am wrong
 
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