Amphetamine and GHB- A carnival

[Renz Envy]

Amphetamine and GHB- A carnival (Very Experienced)

My smile. My laughter. The room was spinning like I was too drunk to function. A crisp ecstasy euphoria relaxed my muscles. Every movement felt so good. Talking to people, I had nothing interesting to say, but it needed to be said. I would fall to the floor of the apartment. I would thrash and moan. I loved everyone. It was a feeling beyond ecstasy. It felt so wrong to abuse, but so right.

What am I doing to my brain? I would second guess myself; a good sign I was sobering up. I became melodramatic. Sometimes I would cry over past losses, girlfriends or jobs.

I began to feel dry as I started to heat up.
The sun was rising and my high was fading. I felt the anxiousness. My hands began to tingle.

My hand shook uncontrollably as I raised the bottle of GHB. A little clear oily liquid sloshed at the bottom, but it was not enough to last past the half life of amphetamine. Fuck. FUCK.

The sun was rising- I was 30 minutes away from a dealer- my eyes were full of worry.
"Are you okay?" I heard a voice ask.
"Yeah, I'm just having a panic attack, it happens."

Survival instincts push you to do one thing: escape.
In this case I was not running from a lion or a roaring fire. I was trying to escape from a drug in my body. My heart began to race.

I gave in and tilted my head back. I felt the intense flavor of salt fall to the back of my throat. I felt relief.

Fifteen minutes and the world was spinning in laughter like an insane carnival of sexual intentions. Unlike amphetamine, GHB enhanced my humanity.

I cared about food, sex, life, most of all I cared for people.
I felt like a playful child again.

I grabbed a girl friend of mine, we wrestled. Tactile sensations made me giggle. I did not try to have sex with her. Although I would if she had tried to have sex with me.

On GHB & Amp, the little things don't matter. The bonds I make are stronger. The love I make lasts longer. Best of all, everyone is beautiful.

Soon I would return home. The sun was too bright. It bore through the window of my car. It heated my shirt and made me uncomfortable.

The carnival was over. My stomach churned and my eyes felt heavy. Sleep would be impossible. My entire benzo script could not put me down.

At home I made a blank stare in the mirror for several minutes. My irises were non existent, replaced by a black void. It was as if black eyes were the sign of a devil in my soul. Happiness would be impossible. I was in no pain or suffering. I was in no euphoria or pleasure.


In the end

It was all just
neutral.




[For the doseages, GHB is typically dosed high in comparison to amp for best results. For a private setting I would easily be closing in on 2.5g of GHB. For m-amp I would run around 20mg and for d-amphetamine around 40mg. M-amp goes better and will give a beyond ecstasy experience, however I do not touch that drug any longer and stick to my prescription. My best caution is given when combining stimulants and depressants. Although GHB reduces the stress caused by amp, there is still the risk of an overdose. (Take in mind GHB's very short half life)]

 

[Incunabula]

Just a warning: 30 hour binge on amphetamine and GHB (1 dose every 4 hours) gave me horrible, horrible nocturnal bruxism for years!

Lots of people combine stimulants with GHB, but if your one of those people who easily grind your teeth when doing speed, MDMA, cocaine, Then you really should think twice before combining it with GHB for longer periods.

It's obviously got something to do with the pharmacology of GHB:

"GHB's effect on dopamine release is biphasic.[68] Low concentrations stimulate dopamine release via the GHB receptor.[69] Higher concentrations inhibit dopamine release via GABA(B) receptors as do other GABA(B) agonists such as baclofen and phenibut.[70] After an initial phase of inhibition, dopamine release is then increased via the GHB receptor.

This explains the paradoxical mix of sedative and stimulatory properties of GHB, as well as the so-called "rebound" effect, experienced by individuals using GHB as a sleeping agent, wherein they awake suddenly after several hours of GHB-induced deep sleep. That is to say that, over time, the concentration of GHB in the system decreases below the threshold for significant GABAB receptor activation and activates predominantly the GHB receptor, leading to wakefulness."
from wiki.

In other words, "the rebound effects" leads to an increase in dopamine levels in your brain when the sedative effects of GHB subside after approxemately 4 hours.

I'm sure moderation is the key when using this combo.

 

[Renz Envy]

I'm pretty experienced with the pharmacology of GHB, haha. I don't really get bruxism with anything anymore. I take magnesium and potassium with NaGHB.

GHB in doses around 1.5-2.5 inhibits dopamine and then as you sober up and it leaves your system it releases dopamine and can cause very bad anxiety when combined with stimulants. Before I knew this, I had a massive panic attack and ended up checking into a near-by hospital.

Bad things aside, the GHB receptor is my favorite part of GHB. It is rumored to release oxytocin like MDMA, it also releases a 16 fold increase of growth hormone and releases dopamine. It's also hypothesized that excessive GHB use leads to an eventual down regulation of the receptor. Therefore, I use GHB once a week.

I use a stimulant like amphetamine to be able to keep myself from passing out in public if I mess up my dose. I can say that the combination, if done right, is just as euphoric as MDMA.

The key to the combo is to have low tolerance to the stimulant and not use much of it.

 

[Incunabula]

I'm pretty experienced with the pharmacology of GHB, haha. I don't really get bruxism with anything anymore. I take magnesium and potassium with NaGHB.

The warning was not so much for you, but more for other people who read your amphethamine/GHB commercial and figured it sounded so nice they had to try.
You make it sound like bruxism is a matter of tolerance, when it's actually the other way around. Consider yourself lucky your not one of those who suffer from nightly bruxism from your drug use because it can realy be hell, believe me.

If you have a tendency to grind your teeth nightly after stimulant use, don't mix it with GHB because it's going to make it a lot worse. That's all I'm saying. I know lots of people do it and come out just fine.

And just for the record, magnesium doesn't work. Urban drug myth. The only thing that helps is clonazepam!

 

[Hiltoniano]

^thats not true. I have successfully used chelated magnesium for bruxism countless times. It's not an urban myth.

 

[Incunabula]

^thats not true. I have successfully used chelated magnesium for bruxism countless times. It's not an urban myth.

^Oh, if there just was a cure, that was as simple as taking a food supplement.
In my opinion, what you experience is just placebo (I'm sure you disagree, so we can agree to disagree)

If you have severe permanent nightly bruxism, as I have, then magnesium supplements has NO effect what so ever (neither does calcium/vitamin B5/vitamin C/melatonin/5HTP/Hops/valerian or any other kind of food or herbal supplement)

Why do you think that the only cure that doctors/dentists can offer is splints and Clonazepam?
Also, wouldn't nightly bruxism be a symptom of magnesium deficiency if it is as you think? Well, it's not.
If you have a varied diet you will get plenty of magnesium.

There is no cure. The only thing to do is to avoid the things that makes it worse: coffee/smoking/GHB/stress/SSRI's/stimulants etc, and then to use Clonazepam when it's really bad.

And then there's yoga/meditation/relaxation of cause, it can help with time.

 

[Renz Envy]

I read the theory behind the cause of stimulant bruxism is caused by "too much energy". As tolerance develops, the stimulant may feel weaker and lose effect.

I will also argue that magnesium does help relax muscles and thus it will reduce teeth grinding.

 

[Hiltoniano]

It may not be a cure, I'll give you that. If the bruxism is bad enough then obviously a supplement that is OTC will not likely be enough. I'm just saying that myself any many others have used mag to combat amp or MDMA induced bruxism. It couldn't possibly be placebo because i use the same batch of m-amp on two separate occasions, and when I used mag the bruxism that other people would even comment on bc it was so bad, was gone almost entirely. Almost. So I'm sorry that it doesn't work for you but in general it can help.

 

[Incunabula]

I read the theory behind the cause of stimulant bruxism is caused by "too much energy". As tolerance develops, the stimulant may feel weaker and lose effect.

It's not known what causes bruxism, be it induced by stress or drugs, but it is most likely a very complex mechanism that most certainly includes the neurotransmitters dopamin and serotonine.

It may not be a cure, I'll give you that. If the bruxism is bad enough then obviously a supplement that is OTC will not likely be enough. I'm just saying that myself any many others have used mag to combat amp or MDMA induced bruxism. It couldn't possibly be placebo because i use the same batch of m-amp on two separate occasions, and when I used mag the bruxism that other people would even comment on bc it was so bad, was gone almost entirely. Almost. So I'm sorry that it doesn't work for you but in general it can help.

Well, that's hardly evidence of it not being placebo, so many other factors can be at play here. Such as set and setting, alcohol etc. Or just placebo, the power of believing something works.

Make a controlled blind test with 1000 people and you will know if it works or if it is placebo.

But yeah, I know a lot of people use it and think it works. So it's a pointless discusion, but I'm glad it works for you

 

[Smellmett]

My smile. My laughter. The room was spinning like I was too drunk to function. A crisp ecstasy euphoria relaxed my muscles. Every movement felt so good. Talking to people, I had nothing interesting to say, but it needed to be said. I would fall to the floor of the apartment. I would thrash and moan. I loved everyone. It was a feeling beyond ecstasy. It felt so wrong to abuse, but so right.

What am I doing to my brain? I would second guess myself; a good sign I was sobering up. I became melodramatic. Sometimes I would cry over past losses, girlfriends or jobs.

I began to feel dry as I started to heat up.
The sun was rising and my high was fading. I felt the anxiousness. My hands began to tingle.

My hand shook uncontrollably as I raised the bottle of GHB. A little clear oily liquid sloshed at the bottom, but it was not enough to last past the half life of amphetamine. Fuck. FUCK.

The sun was rising- I was 30 minutes away from a dealer- my eyes were full of worry.
"Are you okay?" I heard a voice ask.
"Yeah, I'm just having a panic attack, it happens."

Survival instincts push you to do one thing: escape.
In this case I was not running from a lion or a roaring fire. I was trying to escape from a drug in my body. My heart began to race.

I gave in and tilted my head back. I felt the intense flavor of salt fall to the back of my throat. I felt relief.

Fifteen minutes and the world was spinning in laughter like an insane carnival of sexual intentions. Unlike amphetamine, GHB enhanced my humanity.

I cared about food, sex, life, most of all I cared for people.
I felt like a playful child again.

I grabbed a girl friend of mine, we wrestled. Tactile sensations made me giggle. I did not try to have sex with her. Although I would if she had tried to have sex with me.

On GHB & Amp, the little things don't matter. The bonds I make are stronger. The love I make lasts longer. Best of all, everyone is beautiful.

Soon I would return home. The sun was too bright. It bore through the window of my car. It heated my shirt and made me uncomfortable.

The carnival was over. My stomach churned and my eyes felt heavy. Sleep would be impossible. My entire benzo script could not put me down.

At home I made a blank stare in the mirror for several minutes. My irises were non existent, replaced by a black void. It was as if black eyes were the sign of a devil in your soul. Happiness would be impossible. I was in no pain or suffering. I was in no euphoria or pleasure.


In the end

It was all just
neutral.




[For the doseages, GHB is typically dosed high in comparison to amp for best results. For a private setting I would easily be closing in on 2.5g of GHB. For m-amp I would run around 20mg and for d-amphetamine around 40mg. M-amp goes better and will give a beyond ecstasy experience, however I do not touch that drug any longer and stick to my prescription. My best caution is given when combining stimulants and depressants. Although GHB reduces the stress caused by amp, there is still the risk of an overdose. (Take in mind GHB's very short half life)]

If nothing else it's the best written trip report I think I've ever read on here!

 

[Renz Envy]

If nothing else it's the best written trip report I think I've ever read on here!

Thank you very much. This combination seems to be gaining popularity, so I felt like I would write my view what the life style was like.

 

[YaniCZka]

Great reading! So what is the dosing schedule with amph and ghb/gbl? do your first take amph to have dopamine released and ghb later (if yes, when - 30/60/90 mins after?). And what happens if you take ghb and amph at the same time? would it stop amph working? or will it make it weaker? is there some big no no with this combination that can stop it from working? thks.

 

[jaxal]

Great reading! So what is the dosing schedule with amph and ghb/gbl? do your first take amph to have dopamine released and ghb later (if yes, when - 30/60/90 mins after?). And what happens if you take ghb and amph at the same time? would it stop amph working? or will it make it weaker? is there some big no no with this combination that can stop it from working? thks.

Hey everyone, I joined just to bump this. I understand it is very old and I am sorry for bumping, but this is definitely very valuable info! Does anyone have these answers?

Jaxal

 

[Ferox]

From my own experience, it doesn't matter which you dose first, but you MUST know your tolerance and your response curve to GHB dosing. With this information, you can assume that you can dose your regular amp and then dose your GHB in 2-3 hour intervals, being careful not to tread near your maximum single dose within 5 or 6 hours. This is all from my own personal experience, so it's really hard to set a standard for dosing when it comes to such drugs as GHB as many people have such wildly varying responses to it. I'm sure you will find many different opinions on this subject though. You need to be very experienced with both substances in order to try this combination without a big risk of overdosing G.

 

[YaniCZka]

From my own experience, it doesn't matter which you dose first

thanks for the reply! i read that ghb stops release of dopamine but i guess that speed overpowers that, right? otherwise i would be afraid that if i do ghb first and then take amph, i will not feel the effect of amph since no dopamine will be released... thanks.