America's Medicated Army

memphis10 said:
^ most certainly is a benzo

klonopin

rangrz said:
^ generic name is Clonazpam, incase your not familiar with trade names. (which can vary in different countries)

I know I was given morphine and amphetamine in battle for things other then genuine pain or fatigue...aka, to just make you not care, or tweek you the fuck up and get you ready to make mother fuckers dead.

it works well. I'd dont see the problem with it, it worked really for me.

and at least here, it is indeed easy to say morphine is lost or broken.
Klonopin? What country is that used in? I've traveled half the globe, I know every single trade name of all the benzo's, and I can tell you, it's Rivotril in every single country, in Europe, Asia, Africa, Australia ... never something else. Roche markets clonazepam under Rivotril throughout the whole globe. Thanks for mentioning though.
 
Well yeah, there is more PTSD coming out of Iraq right now than anyone thinks...and the army isn't really dealing with it. They are so good at programming people to be killing machines, but damn if they can help them deal with what they have been through or reprogram to be a civilan. They fail there. I have heard that they are or in the past have been wary of giving troops antidepressants because mental illness is not something they like to accept, so they use other drugs, like Tramadol. Yeah it will make you chemically happy, umm yeah your high, and if anyone asks its for "pain". EH the army fails their own troops sometimes.
 
Psych0naut said:
Klonopin? What country is that used in? I've traveled half the globe, I know every single trade name of all the benzo's, and I can tell you, it's Rivotril in every single country, in Europe, Asia, Africa, Australia ... never something else. Roche markets clonazepam under Rivotril throughout the whole globe. Thanks for mentioning though.

Ive heard of klonopin as much as any other Rx:
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Clonazepam (marketed by Roche under the trade-names Klonopin in the United States and Rivotril, Ravotril or Rivatril in Europe, South America, Canada, India, and Australia)

Pillthrill said:
I have heard that they are or in the past have been wary of giving troops antidepressants because mental illness is not something they like to accept, so they use other drugs, like Tramadol. Yeah it will make you chemically happy, umm yeah your high, and if anyone asks its for "pain". EH the army fails their own troops sometimes.

Tramadol doesnt do anything for me. They better have morphine in the military, im sure I'll be drafted in Operation Irani Liberation or OIL as it will be cheekily known.

rangrz said:
and at least here, it is indeed easy to say morphine is lost or broken.

Where is it?? What?
 
hey whats wrong with getting medicated:D soldiers are humans too and like all humans they need some medication as well;)
 
Browntar: The IDF is the 4th largest army but number one in ters of Operational Quality and Expereince. It is not all conscripts but the styanding Pro Army is very small. See, in our equivalent to jr. highschool we bgin thinking of which units we would like to serve with and in the first year of what is high school in America is when we begin our testing so that by Service Time (wqe are not party to the Child Soldier Act but current regs have it down to 17.5 as the minimum (except in wartime when there is no minimum, I began at 16).

When 80% of a society gladly serves (we do not get paid past our first day except for a travel allowance, on the first day we get like 60 US and a phone card) it is a different atmosphere. Here in the States it is much different.

Then when you realise than even our Special Ops men are regular inductees and leave when their minimum time is up, it also puts things in a different light.

As for theft...It depends. In Lebanon they make heroin so it is very cheap (#2, nasty crap that you have to acidify) and is often easier to get than the monojects. They do get played around with but it is mostly actual heroin now adays then the morphine that got me hooked.
 
ATF said:
Where is it?? What?

Its no big deal to get some morphine monojectors here...jsut tell the QSM they are lost/broken and she/he just writes em off and at worst, takes them off ones pay. (so long as your smart about it, and dont try to take 500 of them every week!)
 
So are you in, or close to a combat zone right now?
Or are you on leave?
Sorry if this is common knowledge ~ newbie
 
I wonder how many illicet type drugs are being used in combat zones. I heard first hand from a returning solider that people over there use crystal and were getting tweaked/jacked and then going out on missions.


Also, this is interesting to me. But, how hard would it be for a solider to get some afgahn or iraqi to get them opium or heroin?
 
Right now I'm in a big city at home lol...I'm a reservist, but I was speaking of a) in combat zones or b) during a field exercise in the sticks.

either way, its easy to get away with some vials.
 
Klonopin is definently a great benzo for long term and not getting that "dumbness" you get from other benzos. It also doesn't make you crazy. I know somone who takes 8mg's of xanax a day and they get completely buzzed out. They obviously have a tolerance and it doesn't do anything for them. But it's basically doing the opposite of what it's supposed to. With klonopin you dont really get that as much.

I can even say I surf better on it. Well I did before.

But as for the army on ssri's. I think anti depresents are a weird fucked up drug. My dr. has tryed to put me on it. But the only anti depresent i'll take would be Cocaine or oxycodone (not that it's an anti depresent but you get the drift.
 
I don't like the idea of drugged soldiers at all...but in a war zone, how do you keep from losing your mind anyway? I have no idea...
 
Rachamim they really perscribe MDMA and K in the Israeli Army thats crazy
 
no surprise to me whatsoever that the US govt is pill happy with thier army:|
i watched a show years ago about how all the fighter piolets were on speed and shit. just hope these meds thier givin out are actualy benifiting these poor cunts in the thick of all this bullshit aye!
 
thugpassion said:
Also, this is interesting to me. But, how hard would it be for a solider to get some afgahn or iraqi to get them opium or heroin?

I met this ex-marine in rehab (only 23 years old) who was stationed in Iraq and got addicted to slamming heroin while there. He said once he got back to the states he had to use nearly a gram of tar per shot just to get the same effect he'd get off of a 1/4 gram over there.

He also had knarly PTSD...poor guy.
 
ATF said:
Ive heard of klonopin as much as any other Rx:
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Clonazepam (marketed by Roche under the trade-names Klonopin in the United States and Rivotril, Ravotril or Rivatril in Europe, South America, Canada, India, and Australia)
There you just quoted it yourself. It's Rivotril throughout the whole globe, except for the US, who for some stupid reason calls Rivotril something else, even though it's marketed by Roche, who makes Rivotril ...
 
^ Clonazepam here in UK coz I was offered it a couple of weeks back & saw the pack. It was oval pills about 1cm long.

I love that thing about heroin use by GIs in Vietnam & how they all gave it up as soon as they came home. Myth or true?
 
Everything I hear about the War in Iraq breaks my heart. I feel so bad for the hundreds of thousands of people devastated by the war, both US soldiers and Iraqi civilians. War is such an awful experience to witness, and I'm not even there :(.
 
^ Try having a loved one there. I can't even be an informed citizen and watch the new anymore. It bothers me. I worry about my bf sometimes, I can't imagine the hell he has seen in his time there. I just try to be compassionate and not foget that. Maybe some day he will want to talk, but I doubt it. He hardly says anything and most veterans don't. Can't say I blame them...
 
MDMARI: First it was Ketamine, which I have not heard of being prescribed lately but I do know they are huge on MDMA right now in tandem with psychoanalysis.

I have never been a PTSD patient. I became addicted from a wound.

In Infantry, my branch, we have monojects of morphine and amphetamine. In the IAF they regualry inject fighter pilots with amphetmaine derivatives so it is built into the culture. The problem is what and when they consider usage to be problematic, hence the New Year's raid on Mt. Hermon where my Battalion was hit hard.

For the poster asking how easy it is to get stuff in combat zones. I can offer my subjective experience but I realise you were asking about Americans in their current deployments. In this very Forum, a few months ago, a story that was published in the NY Times talks about how military in Afghanistan are in a unique position, as they are also in Iraq. Unlike past theaters they cannot go off base at will when on R and R, so being confined to base gets old really quick.

The Americans have now provided their men and women with great recreational services but still, they can in Afghanistan, walk up to the chainlink fence where there is only one layer (as opposed to inner and outer walls as in FOBs and all Israeli facilities) and pay the equivalent of 50 US cents and get a gram or so of pure as it gets #2 heroin. The kid will run and bring it back and you then slip the currency through the fence and the kid is off. According to the article and from what I have heard subjectively it is very common.

As for Iraq, I am told they also have illicit drugs there but that the main traffic is in pharmaceuticals of every variety.

In my own case, when I was first in combat it was in Beka'a, in Lebanon the place where all Lebanese hashish is made as well as #2 heroin and morphine base. At that time we were allied with the Christain Phalangists and especially in other sectors, the SLA which under the brass was more than 50% Shia. It is Shia who do most of the farming in Beka'a and who also act as middlemen. They said it was all overseen by Revolutionary Guards (Iran) but it was as simple as asking for it and in 20 minutes you could get as much hash as you wanted and a sizable amount of pure (pure as it gets because #2 does not get that pure) heroin. I could get 3 grams of heroin for the equivalent of 5 US dollars but I really did not get into heroin until on Leave I came here to the South Bronx for a visit .

In my situation, I was what is called a "Lone Soldier" in English meaning my parents did not live in Israel, and as such was entitled to discounted airfare and extra time for leave,etc. It was America that got me into heroin, good old SE Asian #4, "Checkmate" brand.

Drugs really took off in Israel then because the tanks, Merkavas had at that time plates that come off on the rear haunches and you could perfectly fit 4 kilos of anything , replace the plate (with rivetsand screws)( and bring it back with you. Before that you never really heard about drugs in the street except for cannabis and hash. Now, we have one off the highest per capita rates of opiate/opioid addiction in the world. Funny though, the highest rate is Iran.
 
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