ssLook at the timestamp on this thread.
Time between reported ingestion and symptoms is around half an hour.
This thread smells of troll to me, because a definitive feature of amatoxin (Amanita spp., Galerina, some Conocybe and small Lepiota spp.) poisoning, is a delay of typically 8 hours or so, give or take depending on quantity ingested.
I smell bullshit here. If this guy HAS ingested A.phalloides though, either go to the hospital, or die slowly miserably, its as simple a that.
A fatal dose of A.phalloides, A.virosa (destroying angel), A.ocreata etc. can be less than 50g of fresh mushroom.
Whilst inducing vomiting is the right thing to do (SAVING A SAMPLE OF THE VOMIT, as well as some of the fresh mushroom should any be available, if not, even saving part of a cooked meal, scrapings off a plate, can assist in identification by the hospital path labs of a suspect amatoxin ingestion.
The form of silymarin (silybinin) used medically is a purified intravenous compound-this is not to say, that if, should it be immediately available, that ordinary milk thistle extract should not be used. Its of very low toxicity, and a well known hepatoprotective agent,
YOU CANNOT JUST ''RIDE OUT'' A DEATH CAP, OR OTHER AMATOXIC MUSHROOM POISONING! PROMPT MEDICAL ATTENTION IS VITAL IF AN AMATOXIN POISONING PATIENT IS TO HAVE A CHANCE OF SURVIVAL!
For anybody who eats wild mushrooms, or takes shrooms, the following is a description of some of the main salient points associated with amatoxin poisonings:
Amatoxins are a group of cyclic octapeptides, that act via inhibition of RNA polymerases, enzymes essential for translation of RNA instructions within the genetic code towards protein synthesis. In short, the basis of life within each cell.
When these polymerases are shut down by amatoxins, most notably within the liver, protein synthesis comes to a halt, and the cells die, leading to liver failure, which typically takes a fulminant course. In addition, kidney failure may occur, and the heart may sometimes be attacked, the bodys electrolyte balance can go out of whack, and the brain also, can swell.
The symptoms and progression typically proceed thusly:
Notably, there is a characteristic delay, between ingestion of the poisonous fungi and the first appearance of poisoning symptoms
This can be between eight to twelve hours or so post ingestion and is a very important diagnostic feature. Lesser incubation times to symptom onset indicates a likely more severe case of poisoning. This important diagnostic clue can be occluded by the coingestion of other toxic mushroom species containing G.I irritants.
First sign is often a feeling of apprehension and anxiety, sometimes sudden. Then come severe, intractable nausea followed by vomiting, profuse diarrhea and agonizing cramping stomach pains.
As the poisoning progresses, jaundice will very frequently occur, sometimes blood in the diarrhea or vomit, the jaundice being due to the liver failing, as, having had its ability to produce fresh proteins in its cells, they die. An insidious and cruel feature of these poisons, is that they are not excreted as normal, but after going through the liver, damaging it on the way, the ingested toxins reach the intestine, where they undergo entero-hepatic reabsorption, I.e they go around for another pass, killing more liver cells, lather, rinse, repeat, going round, and around and round some more, laying waste to the victim's insides as it goes.
Of importance, is that when a victim of amatoxin poisoning is treated, there is very frequently a remission of symptoms around the third day post poisoning, sometimes leading to discharge of victim from hospital. This improvement is a false one, the victim feels better for a day or maybe two, then suddenly crashes and burns.
If somebody was a big enough brain donor reject to purposefully ingest A.phalloides in the attempt to get high, congratulations. Darwin award for sure. And good. The gene pool just got chlorinated and a turd fished out. Try telling the medical team you need a new liver because you squirted yours out of your arse, all down your legs and over the walls in liquid form, after munching down THE most famously lethal mushroom of all in an attempt to get high.
And IF this report of death cap poisoning is not a troll, and I have grave doubts, then anybody dealing these fucking things as magic mushrooms, IMO, should be force-fed his entire batch, and have their anus sealed shut with superglue IMO. That is fucking screwed up shit.
Anybody who ever thinks they may seriously have ingested an amatoxic fungus needs to get to the hospital, the sooner the better; as the earlier its treated the better the clinical outcome is likely to be. Untreated cases have a high mortality rate; and besides, it is a slow, miserable, excruciating way to die.
So getting a huge hospital bill in the US, getting kicked out of school/college/home is the least of your worries. Deal with that later. A corpse can't make use of any of those things anyway.
