Cocaine Am i doing too much cocaine?

[Lisergic]

Too much? no
Enough to be concerned? only you know

Ive snorted cocaine for a while and though theres no physical withdrawal whatsoever , one shouldnt underestimate its psychological dependence or its side effects . Since Im in Colombia (literally cocaine heaven) , Ive snorted myself into a 3 gram per day habit of very pure flaky stuff (started snorting a gram everyweekend) , and remained a while on it at that rate (4 months ) , but it wasnt until y added clonazepam (klonopin) to the mix that things got out of hand.Nowadays I stick to Lsd and psychedelics. In short , probably you wont see the side effects of cocaine right away ,some peple could snort a gram everyweekend for years on end without noticing any dangers really, but that doesnt mean its a healthy habit. And certainly it doesnt mean youll remain on a gram , most people after while increase dosage or the frecuency. Since cocaine is so cheap down here , Ive seen real bad cases - people snorting a gram in two lines , just to open another gram baggie. Most of them have heart or nasal problems- not fun. I always liked my cocaine as "fuel" and took small bumps of the stuff for a long time , rather than exponentially.

 

[Swain]

Hey man regarding withdrawal, I want to ask you a questions.. and I feel like who better to answer it then someone who has experienced continued use at pretty high doses. You mentioned there was no withdrawal.. I know cocaine does not cause dependency like opiates and benzos do, but do you really experience no withdrawal symtoms after coming off nearly an 8-ball a day cocaine habit?

I know you wont have opiate like symptoms such as rls, nausea, flu-like symtoms etc.., but you do not experience anything after you have the come-down from your final dose? I am curious if you felt a noticeable lingering depression or an increase in anxiety? My friend said after nearly a year of every day use he actually was even sick the 1st few days, like threw up a little, but more than anything i remember him complaining about depression and rebound anxiety.

I am concerned because I have picked up a bit of a coke habit lately.. I have only been using on days I use dope, which is 1-2 days a week on average.. but a few times if I go for lets say 7 days straight, I have noticed what I attributed to cocaine withdrawal, but maybe it was nothing of the sort. The 1st day without cocaine my sweats are through the roof.. but they are not cold sweats really. For example, 2 months ago I had a pretty heavy month of usage. I was using 3-4 days a week (800-1200mg daily on days when I used) for 3 weeks, then on the 4th week I ended up using a quarter ounce throughout 7 days. The 1st day off I was sweating like crazy, pretty shakey, bit of anxiety, then I fell asleep for like 30 hours lol, but I noticed for the next 4-7 days I was a bit depressed..the 1st fwe days I actually found my self in tears and I NEVER cry, but every day I felt noticeably better. Another thing was like my friend had said, I felt like I had anxiety, kind of like you get when you stop benzos. A weird increase in anxiety.

The 'withdrawals' if you wanna call them that definitely were not nearly as bad as a benzo detox I had weathered a fwe years ago or the countless opiate detoxes I have had, but the depression was still enough that it was a warnign sign which I heeded that I needed to chill out a bit.

But you are totally right, coke is one thing, as soon as you throw opiates or benzos in the mix shit changes. Those drugs have REAL dependency which is so debilitating it is sooo easy to find your self trapped in a cycle of use>dependency>more use b/c you wanna avoid wtihdrawals>worse dependency>detox>only to find your self using again because aside from the physical aspect you also have the mental aspect. Neither of which I find to be very present with cocaine.

Actually I don't really find cocaine too addictive. For me it's hard for me to put it down that night I am using.. I just want to keep going I never wanna face the end/comedown. Once I do come down and go to sleep I don't find my self going to the atm then taking the train to my dealer absent of all thought basically like a programmed robot.. it's not my head, it's my body..just gets up out the chair, gets money out regardless if I have it or not, presses buttons on my phone, then cops. I am not to blame.. it's my stupid body.. seems to operate on it's own will LOL./

 

[Swain]

In my head I always defined the crash as what you experience pretty much directly after ceasing use..I use the term come down, but crash, comedown, whatever you wanna call it, for me the comedown is generally pretty short in terms of withdrawal.. like i'll come down for a few hours maybe 12 at most if I was on a serious binge, but after that I go to sleep wake up feeling 100%.

The experience I described above, which at the time I charactorized as 'withdrawals' resulting from cocaine use, was regarding not the comedown experienced directly after ceasing use, but rather the days that followed after getting that 1st nights sleep. My comedown lasted about 8 hours after my last coke shot at which point I was finally able to fall asleep (slept like a rock for a day straight lol).

The symptoms I described, namely depression and reboudn anxiety, were at it's worst days 1 and 2 after waking up. By day 5 I was feeling 100%..a worlds difference then days 1 and 2. My chemical levels/balance must have been a bit fucked because on days 1 and 2 I found my self on the verge of tears repeatedly.. it was just meaningless sadness combined with anxiety. I remember feeling like that when I was young and stupid and took ecstasy 3 days in a row. And I am not one to shed a tear muchless actually cry. By day 5, the depression was non existant. The world was no longer closing in on me & I couldn't shed a tear if I tried, it was a worlds difference from day 1, which just made me think that the coke really did fuck with my chemical balance of my brain be it seratonin or dopamine..not sure what coke works with.

I mean rationally speaking, it is to be expected. What goes up must come down.. and you figure after a month of heavy abuse (even though it was not daily) there has to be some trauma (hopefully temporary and fully recoverable) experienced up there in my head.

Honestly I should quit fuckign with coke..Up until this point my DOC was weed growing up, which transitioned to opiates, both of which are not hard on the body IMO. I just feel like coke is doing more damage than weed/opiates. Could be my imagination though. It's my understanding that even the most severe users/abusers of opiates are able to fully recover mentally given enough time. I am sure a brain surgeon would tell me otherwise, but I think most would agree that opiates are pretty forgiving compared to meth for instance, which causes tangible brain damage (actual loss of tissue) affecting memory, emotion, and the reward system. In the documentary I saw, the meth addicts brain was visibly altered when compared side by side with a non-meth user.

 

[Lisergic]

Cocaine has been on and off my life because of its widespread use in Colombia , absurd cheap prices ,quality (this may play a role in side effects) and avail. Nowadays I do it mostly when Im drunk. 4 months was the longest non stop run , no cocaine withdrawal at all. But then again I was withdrawing from benzos and that can mask any other symptos . Ive had a lot of 15 day binges like you swain , with 2 -4 grams per day , and Ive never felt my body in pain asking me for cocaine . Ive felt my mind asking me for it , specially when I drink booze or pop any benzos . What you may be refering to is an adjustment that goes on in the neurotransmiters after dabbling in cocaine , wich can be depressing , and cravings may surface. But not the necessity to have it in order to walk ,talk, eat , or function normally (as w/other drugs). and it goes away rather quikly ,

pardon my english, for its not my native language


Sounds like a chemically induced depressión with anxiety manifestations.

I think you might want to get off the cocaine for a while , cocaine can be bad news if one over does it, Im glad Im off the stuff and havent touched in a couple of months (thanks to LSD , ive moved away for now, acid always comes to my rescue)


Hope things get better and if you decide to keep snorting , well how about changing the source and quality , ive snorted real shitty stuff (feel like crap the next day) and the best of the best brought out of the jungle by cooks (flaky, transluscent) and theres a huuuuge difference , pure cocaine doesnt give you anxiety , just pure euphoria and a lot of serene energy and side effects are less common , I dont feel like shit the next day and you just need two little bumps to feel the stuff flowing like a mad horse inside your blood stream... just typing this made me want to take some ..ha! ill pass tho


keep it up swain , wish you luck

 

[Titus]

Depression or the crash following cocaine use is nothing compared to the, what can last MONTHS, the psychological withdrawl following high volume, frequent use of cocaine. Every wakeful moment of every day being obsessed with wanting, needing, thinking about, craving HARDCORE CRAVING cocaine. Of course you can give in and use it at any time and it stops. But the longer the high volume use continues the more difficult the psychological cravings that are an unbelievable nightmare, go on. And the more intense they are.

Cudos to those of you who can use it casually. To those who have or do use high volume ammt's (multigrams/day or binges that equate that on a weekly basis with say, 2 days of continuous sleep inbetween), doing that for months and months or years and trying to kick is...well...don't find out if you don't have to.