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Am I doing Mephedrone wrong?

SilentRoller

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As the title suggests, mephedrone confuses me.It’s never been my thing, but recently I started hearing mates rave about how great it is.I’ve tried it a couple of times in my life, and I hated it. But I thought I would give it one last try.

So I bought a g of highly rated Meph. Did a small line. Got the insane sting and awful drip (almost made me sick). I was then with the mother of all cardio pushes…..I mean like I could feel my heart bouncing around. Felt stimulated and sweaty and a bit on edge. I could literally feel my chest banging away, was quite strange and almost distracting. I didn’t freak out but it was hard not to notice.

I did a small bit more, and the same thing. I just increased the cardio, which put me off from doing a higher dose. However I noticed the desire to re-dose come in, but I didn’t necessarily feel safe doing so. I ended up flushing it, as I knew I would be up all night being an over stimmed mess.

Is this what Meph is? Both MD and coke have never given me that alarming cardio push that Meph has….it feels rather worry some. I’m as fit as a butchers dog (playing squash 4 times a week) and have laid of stims for getting on to 2 months.MD comedowns are too brutal now. That being said, both MD/coke never feel this alarming. Even Methylone didn’t (I miss that stuff)

I feel disappointed. I wasted money buying this, as I flushed it. All the rave reviews make it seem like I’m missing out on something. Like I’m not quite ‘getting it’. However it was either keep doing with it and sack work off tomorrow (which I don’t do) or be rid.

My previous times with drone (a couple of years ago), I ended up doing most of a g (bombed and sniffed) and ended up with a mad heart rate and purple knees. People told me “I hadn’t had real Meph” hence I gave it once last try. But it seems to be the same. The heart aspect puts me off pushing it….

Can anyone who has used Meph enlighten me? What am I experiencing? I see all these reports of people caning multiple gs in a night and having the time of their life. This however isn’t me….

Someone suggested I should have just bombed it, but I didn’t fancy being up all night. People said meph was like coke and MD combined. To me, it is nothing like MD. I got no pupil dilation, no empathy. I just felt like I had done a giant line of flake and a bit floaty.
 
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There is some doubts on its safety profile.

The drugs structure is looked at with some alarming caution by some people with a good pharmacology background.

Think its to do with the 5ht systems and how it actually works and the potential damage to heart valves. F&B wouldnt go near it. So i think your worries have some substance to them!

@fastandbulbous will probably be able to give a better explaination.
 
Hmmm are you sure it was mephedrone? As far as I know mephedrone (4-methylmethcathinone) hasn't been available for many years, though I heard it was possible to get it somewhere in the north of the Netherlands (but that was many months ago).
If you bought it on the DN it might have been something else (maybe 3-MMC, a mix of research chemicals, or just bunk).
 
I’m absolutely positive it was meph. Been tested at Wedinos and from a well known vendor. Getting rave reviews regarding eye wiggles etc.

I got none of that. I just got a rather racing heart.granted I did very small lines so maybe I didn’t do enough to ‘break through’ so to speak. Like when you underdose on MDMA.
Problem is, the cardio push was so strong, I didn’t want to do anymore. Felt dirty and wrong.

I remember methylone (and cathinones) in general having quite a push to them. But this was something else. I can imagine it would become almost painful over a long session.

Amphetamines/coke felt much safer. And that’s saying something. Coke is a known to be cardiotoxic, but I feel much ‘safer’ after a line of coke than meph.

It’s the other stuff with meph that is worrisome also. The tingling fingers, the purple knees/elbows that you get if you do too much. It just feels…..toxic.

But when I see how popular it is, I feel like I’m doing it wrong….

Ive had some Diaz to kill it off. HR is still slightly raised now, coupled with the desire to smoke fags etc….usual stim shit. Worst part is, in the back of my mind I’m like ‘wish I hadn’t flushed it, I could have another line’….knowing I would hate it.

God knows how people cane this stuff. I always get the reply “was it actually m-cat”. Maybe I just can’t handle it. Every time I have used it, it ends up the same.

Shame really. As I often wonder if I missed out on something great.
 
Did you try actual pre-ban meph in the past? That's the standard all meph experiences should be measured by.

I don't get the same buzz now as I did with the early days of pre-ban, although I haven't had any meph since November (and am sorta unofficially trying to give it up for good).

If the meph is legit and you're new to it, it should be an awesome high - sort of like an old school speedy ecstasy pill, but with a bit more ego and maybe some filthy horniness.

At some point for me, it lost the serotonin aspect almost completely and became more just a straight dopamine-y drug with anxiety and paranoia creeping in quite quickly. Often the anxiety would involve the stuff I'd read about people going purple - so constantly checking my skin. Didn't stop me keep going back to it though.

What doses are you taking in your lines and bombs?

If you don't "get" it, maybe just count your blessings and move on. (Like I'm glad I've never really "got" coke.) If you do like meph, it can become pretty addictive, align with some grotty habits (porn) and give you a flippin' horrible comedown. Wouldn't be surprised if it's not good for you physically either!
 
Remember drugs effect people differently. I love mdma. But i dont paticularly like methylone. I do love meph but some of the cathinone relatives i get those symptoms op describes.

I have heard alot more meph is going about.

I would definitely try oral use of meph. Its much less in your face than intranasally.

What dose are you taking when snorting it?
 
SilentRoller said:
I’m absolutely positive it was meph. Been tested at Wedinos and from a well known vendor. Getting rave reviews regarding eye wiggles etc.

I got none of that [...] God knows how people cane this stuff. I always get the reply “was it actually m-cat”. Maybe I just can’t handle it. Every time I have used it, it ends up the same.

Shame really. As I often wonder if I missed out on something great.
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If you don't feel the awesome rushes, eye wiggles, ego expansion and superhuman feeling you are lucky!
At least now you know that there is no point in doing it. Hope your comedown is not too harsh and above all that your heartbeat goes back to normal soon.
 
Good, high purity meph should essentially hit you with an almost unreal level of utter, utter blissful euphoria, empathy, energy (well wild hyperactivity really), love, sociability and just an indestructible feeling that everything is perfect in every way.

Followed in about 30 mins by a sharp comedown with a nauseating level of anxiety and a completely uncontrollable need to redose because you need to be that way for the rest of time if possible

If you didn't get that then its lower quality meph, not meph, or you are somehow not sensitive to its effects for whatever reason

EDIT: as someone mentioned above that is first time user with very good meph who isn't seratonergically wiped out from other drug use.

Meph use rapidly becomes a serious addiction and squalid nightmare. IVed the stuff for years
 
what was IV'ing meph like guy? i bet it was some rush!

what dose did you take when you IV'd it btw? or at least what dose would a first time user of IV take?
 
If you want eye wiggles and extreme rolly euphoria you have to eat 4-MMC (or 3-MMC). I've never gotten ANYTHING like that from doing lines. In fact the only time I ever really indulged in 4-MMC lines was one or two right with the bomb so you're already high when the bomb kicks in. I think people who prefer to sniff 3 or 4-MMC also prefer coke to MDMA, too. I think the only way to avoid turning purple with meph is to not ever take a redose. The cardio push of meph can be intense and I'm aware of nothing that will alleviate it. I got serious CHEST PAINS from combining a bomb with just 30mg of adderall. Where as MDMA and meth combined never resulted in CHEST PAINS. I was popping aspirin and praying they were so bad.
 
Sounds a lot more like 3mmc rather than 4mmc imo. 3 position changes produces greater cardio strain, also in some instances it can give a molecule 5ht2b targeting, Which will add to the problem.

This being said it could of been any number of cathinones or similar stims if you haven't got it tested.
4mmc is about but it doesn't seem too common.
 
I think if you buy 3-MMC and it's not virtually an identical experience to 4-MMC in every way then you may not have received 3-MMC. That's been my experience with it so far at least.
4-MMC is very likely cardiotoxic. For sure 3 and 4-MMC produce metabolites that are far worse than ephedrine. I've read 4-methylephedrine being 16x as cardiotoxic as ephedrine. Now imagine consuming a few grams a day for awhile. People get heart issues from way less than a few grams of ephedrine a day with longterm use. Now think about something 16x as cardiotoxic. People claim 3-methylephedrine could be worse, but anyway you slice it it's bad. I'm looking for beta-methoxy 4-methylmethamphetamine as being potentially less cardiotoxic (or even 4-methylmethamphetamine) and not producing ephedrine metabolites. I forecast those as the next 4-MMC replacements.
 
It's great for porn if you do large amounts. With the good stuff it does not matter if you snort or bomb.

I have taken good stuff of the darknet a few times and it has always been either terrible or considerably weaker than the pre-ban I took.

I was taking mephedrone from 2007 with the capsules Neorganics sold. The best way to take the good stuff was to bomb around 300 mg and then wait for the "slap" and then hit the lines.
 
simstim said:
I think if you buy 3-MMC and it's not virtually an identical experience to 4-MMC in every way then you may not have received 3-MMC. That's been my experience with it so far at least.
4-MMC is very likely cardiotoxic. For sure 3 and 4-MMC produce metabolites that are far worse than ephedrine. I've read 4-methylephedrine being 16x as cardiotoxic as ephedrine. Now imagine consuming a few grams a day for awhile. People get heart issues from way less than a few grams of ephedrine a day with longterm use. Now think about something 16x as cardiotoxic. People claim 3-methylephedrine could be worse, but anyway you slice it it's bad. I'm looking for beta-methoxy 4-methylmethamphetamine as being potentially less cardiotoxic (or even 4-methylmethamphetamine) and not producing ephedrine metabolites. I forecast those as the next 4-MMC replacements.
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Doesn't ephedrine posses hydroxyl moieties at the 3 position and beta carbon?
If so wouldn't that be the main reason for the level of strain?
 
psynce of sound said:
Doesn't ephedrine posses hydroxyl moieties at the 3 position and beta carbon?
If so wouldn't that be the main reason for the level of strain?
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Ephedrine is beta hydroxy methamphetamine. Mephedrone is 4-methyl beta keto methamphetamine. What I'm hoping for is beta methoxy 4-methylmethamphetamine. That one should not form the cardiotoxic ephedrine related metabolites that cathinones form.
 
SilentRoller said:
As the title suggests, mephedrone confuses me.It’s never been my thing, but recently I started hearing mates rave about how great it is.I’ve tried it a couple of times in my life, and I hated it. But I thought I would give it one last try.

So I bought a g of highly rated Meph. Did a small line. Got the insane sting and awful drip (almost made me sick). I was then with the mother of all cardio pushes…..I mean like I could feel my heart bouncing around. Felt stimulated and sweaty and a bit on edge. I could literally feel my chest banging away, was quite strange and almost distracting. I didn’t freak out but it was hard not to notice.

I did a small bit more, and the same thing. I just increased the cardio, which put me off from doing a higher dose. However I noticed the desire to re-dose come in, but I didn’t necessarily feel safe doing so. I ended up flushing it, as I knew I would be up all night being an over stimmed mess.

Is this what Meph is? Both MD and coke have never given me that alarming cardio push that Meph has….it feels rather worry some. I’m as fit as a butchers dog (playing squash 4 times a week) and have laid of stims for getting on to 2 months.MD comedowns are too brutal now. That being said, both MD/coke never feel this alarming. Even Methylone didn’t (I miss that stuff)

I feel disappointed. I wasted money buying this, as I flushed it. All the rave reviews make it seem like I’m missing out on something. Like I’m not quite ‘getting it’. However it was either keep doing with it and sack work off tomorrow (which I don’t do) or be rid.

My previous times with drone (a couple of years ago), I ended up doing most of a g (bombed and sniffed) and ended up with a mad heart rate and purple knees. People told me “I hadn’t had real Meph” hence I gave it once last try. But it seems to be the same. The heart aspect puts me off pushing it….

Can anyone who has used Meph enlighten me? What am I experiencing? I see all these reports of people caning multiple gs in a night and having the time of their life. This however isn’t me….

Someone suggested I should have just bombed it, but I didn’t fancy being up all night. People said meph was like coke and MD combined. To me, it is nothing like MD. I got no pupil dilation, no empathy. I just felt like I had done a giant line of flake and a bit floaty.
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That doesn't sound like Meph to me. Unless it is cut Meph. Or possibly a closely related analogue? Can Wedinos distinguish between 3-MMC and 4-MMC for example?

I haven't touched it for years (purely because I can't get it anymore without going on the DW) - but if it was readily available I would jump to have a session like the old 2009/2010 days in a heartbeat. Or even just a solo session at home.

As much as I like MD, Old school Meph is the best high I have ever had.

In my experience, meph would keep you up for multiple nights if you really pushed it hard, but it never had any "heart banging out of your chest" effects like I have had on coke before. More stimulating than MDMA? Yes, but not worryingly stimulating. For me the effects sit exactly in between coke and mdma, but with stronger euphoria than both.

Compared to MDMA - Slightly less empathy / tactile sensations. Same music appreciation. More euphoria and obviously shorter acting. Doesn't get trippy at the tail end when re-dosing like MDMA does, unless you've up been awake for 72 hours and tripping from sleep dep.

Compared to coke - Meph is better in almost everyway IMO - except for the smell that sweats out of you and the stronger urge to re-dose. However, Meph is much cheaper, much stronger euphoria and it has the loved-up / empathetic effects that coke doesn't.

It shouldn't matter whether you bomb it or not, other than onset/duration of effects. If the pupils aren't dilated, there's something wrong. Awful drip is certainly correct. Insane sting is correct, but only for the first line in my experience. After that first line, you're just feeling godlike with zero negative effects - until it runs out. And then it's time to feel deeply empty and soulless. Or buy more :ROFLMAO:
 
Oh and +1 for meph being great on porn. Get ready for a long wankathon though. And good luck trying to find the right video.
 
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