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Am I a Cancer or a Leo? Confused...

Cyc

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Here is the position of the sun with regard to the constellations on my date of birth, at the exact time I was born on August 8th.

Now every horoscope I've read has told me I'm a Leo. I'm not even near a cusp. If that's the case, then why is the sun clearly in the Cancer constellation?

I'm having an identity crisis.. Please help!

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Screen Shot is of "Starry Night 6" software which maps the position of the sun and planets at any given time in the past, present or future.
 
Ok, perhaps this is a better example.

The year is 4010, and it is my birthday again.

Notice the sun is now in the constellation, Gemini.

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My question is, how do we continue to compensate for the relative position of the planets in the sky to the constellations? How can we give them relevance over our lives, if we don't adjust for where the planets are in a period of time?

We can't just arbitrarily go with the era when astrology was invented, can we?
 
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this argument has been brought up -- that infact everyone's sign is off by one or more (ie i am infact a Pisces, instead of an Aries). usually it's dismissed -- and those who are overly concerned about it add other bodies such as asteroids to try and explain the shift of the stars.
 
Stars don't perceivably shift in relation to earth, except by tiny degrees called arcseconds that can only be measured using stellar parallax (or the earth's position in opposite orbits around the sun). And only stars that are relatively close to us can be measured in such a way.

If I'm understanding you correctly, I am interested in how asteroids could be responsible for shifting our perception of stars.
 
Here's the thing.. Both Tropical and Sidereal zodiacs can be reliably calculated, but they don't work at the same time.

This is why birthdates are a variable aspect of astrology. They cannot be fixed to the cosmos in any reliable way, without constantly compensating for forces in the universe. Even if you fix the sun's ecliptic to the vernal equinox, and add leap years to the equation, you still have to account for precession.

My question to astrologists, is how you reconcile this when giving readings?
 
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i think most astrologers view astrology as flexible -- your chart isn't the be all end all, as ocean said, it's more of a map, it's up to you how or if you follow it at all.
 
Is it a coincidence that this lack of precision has the convenient side-effect of making it immune to scrutiny, and scientific analysis?
 
Borderline trolling, but I'll let it pass ;).

Once again, you are scrutinizing something by criteria for something else. You are giving Charlie Chaplin bad film reviews because he has a bad voice.
 
Not bad reviews, but I am holding the issue to the same standard that I would hold any truth to.

Let's look at any possible truth in three possible different frameworks. These definitions are based on the methodology through which we tend to prove or disprove possible truths.

1.) Law - Ideas that are falsifiable, but have not been falsified, and in fact are proven mathematically, or with overwhelming evidence to be true (ie. Newtons laws of physics, the laws of thermodynamics)

2.) Theory - Ideas that are falsifiable, but have not yet been falsified, and are provable, but not yet proven by mathematics or overwhelming evidence. (ie. Theory of gravity, theory of evolution)

3.) Belief - Ideas that are not falsifiable, therefore can not be falsified, but are provable, but not yet proven by mathematics or overwhelming evidence (ie. God, cryptozoology, homeopathic medicine)

Which of these would you say that astrology falls under, and why? Also, if you think my setup here is faulty, also let me know. And thanks for letting me troll a bit here. I hope you know I wouldn't disrespect this forum just for the sake of being an ass. :)
 
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You're a leo.

Although the vernal equinox now occurs when the Sun is in the constellation of Pisces, it only makes sense for the beginning of the new year to be in Aries on the first day of spring. Napoleon changed new year's day to his own sign of Capricorn (Jan. 1st), but that doesn't make sense from an astrological/philosophical standpoint either. The new year should always begin on March 20/21, the vernal equinox (Northern hemisphere; autumnal equinox, Southern Hemisphere) with the Sun at 0 degrees Aries, the first sign of the zodiac, by definition.
 
Which means we're still in the Age of Pisces. The Age of Aquarius won't begin until the Sun is absolutely in front of the constellation of Aquarius (as opposed to Pisces as it is now) on March 20/21 of the vernal equinox (Northern Hemisphere) of that year, but if you're born on that day, you'll still be an Aries.
 
Jamshyd said:
4. Craft - a skill which, when performed, gives the practitioner some enjoyment thereby making it self-rewarding as well as insightful.
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he's trying to figure out the truth, not be happy. for some of us, getting the truth is the end-goal, and that makes us happy enough
cyc said:
1.) Law - Ideas that are falsifiable, but have not been falsified, and in fact are proven mathematically, or with overwhelming evidence to be true (ie. Newtons laws of physics, the laws of thermodynamics)

2.) Theory - Ideas that are falsifiable, but have not yet been falsified, and are provable, but not yet proven by mathematics or overwhelming evidence. (ie. Theory of gravity, theory of evolution)

3.) Belief - Ideas that are not falsifiable, therefore can not be falsified, but are provable, but not yet proven by mathematics or overwhelming evidence (ie. God, cryptozoology, homeopathic medicine)
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i appreciate your warpath against magical thinking... but i'm a little dissapointed with this part. i expect better from a scientifically minded person :P

1) colloquial theory: a hypothesis or model to explain things, not necessarily with empirical evidence. relative certainty - low to medium. (includes god*, gods*, astrology*, magic*)

2) law: observations never deviate from a certain form or model. relative certainty - very high. (includes conservation of energy, gravity)

3) theory: a large framework of hypotheses (a model) with all or nearly all observations supporting it (contradicting evidence being explainable by the theory itself or extensions to the theory). relative certainty - very high, nearly same as law. (includes evolution, special theory of relativity)

* emotional evidence is not empirical, magical thinking gets you no points. our brains are capable of making our entire world as we percieve it, so our brains are also capable of making our world seem quite magical
Shrooms00087 said:
"If you've been struggling to recall a name or date or other detail, you find that your brain is up to the task. In fact, your memory is so strong that you might remember some vital task before the last possible minute!"

http://www.astrology.com/horoscopes/cancer/daily-horoscope/today (Only reliable for Cancers 10/21/10)
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gods i hope humans advance emotionally and intellectually enough to get past this silliness. if somebody truly understands an intro psychology textbook, they should see right through astrology. even easier if they read a sociology book as well
Borderline trolling, but I'll let it pass
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i don't think trolling is enough to close something. if a thread provokes a negative emotional reaction, that is not grounds for closing it, especially in a philosophy forum. this conversation, for example, is entirely relevant to our worldviews and philosophies

if he demonstrated that his only intent was to piss off astrologists and call them idiots, that'd be pure trolling without any redeeming quality. but we should be careful to discern between "semi-trolls" (who engage in legitimate discussion that progresses awareness) and "real trolls"
 
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^ Hun, read the forum rules.

What does "OMg!2!!1 I r on cancer and leo same time!!!!!! who? what?? What is this I don't even" contribute to the expectations of this forum? particularly since we've gone over the same thing in a civil discussion in another thread? The only reason this thread is left open is because cyc actually informed me privately that he intends no malice.
 
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Cyc,

What year will the Sun be at 30 degrees Aquarius on March 20th/21st? That will be the dawn of the Age of Aquarius if I have this figured out right.
 
Belief - Ideas that are not falsifiable, therefore can not be falsified, but are provable, but not yet proven by mathematics or overwhelming evidence (ie. God, cryptozoology, homeopathic medicine)
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Beliefs can be falsifiable. I believe that I left my keys in that little bowl by the door. Any proposition which is held to be true is a belief.
 
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