ALTERNATIVE THEORIES V: The Build-a-bear Workshop

[superelephant]

You're right, it's not an "alternative theory" - but chemtrails are apples and oranges. Just because there are genuine environmental hazards out there doesn't mae the chemtrail hoax any truer. The difference here is that there is data that actually supports the claim, whereas "chemtrails" are dismissed by everybody except for the dribbling, wide-eyed, armchair conspiracy theorists who have never set foot in a lab much less collated any data to support their feelings about how contrails should disperse in the stratosphere. A subtle but important distinction, don't you think?

I don't why you always misinterpret things, was it not obvious that I was just giving an example of how I'm not afraid of scrutiny and ridicule (I.E. looking crazy) in the interest of public health? another example (lol, it's funny because of how conspicuous it is that people don't want to believe this one when I tell them) has to do with pesticide contamination of cannabis by growers primarily concerned with profit maximizing yields.

Oh, clearly you haven't spent a lot of time arguing on the internet before. It really can be. In fact, it is more often than it isn't. I'm kicking myself for ever even having come back to BL.

Unlike a face to face conversation, these conversations can be reviewed by thousands. (or more) This is noteworthy, as it could very help many form sound opinions without even having to participate.

Don't hurry for my sake. I'm sure your time is much better spent in the real world than on this.

Well, I won't then. (it's such a mountain to go through it's beginning to look as if it may take a couple weeks 8( )

I suppose I would rather be doing other things, but conversing on this site or otherwise reviewing information has never really kept me from enjoying myself. If you feel differently then perhaps you should be kicking yourself lol.

But by your own admission you can't actually tell what altitude a plane is flying at. You don't know if they're flying at 16,000 ft or 32,000 ft but the temperature gradient is very different

I'm aware of this.

And even if they ARE at the same altitude, why couldn't a mass of dry air displace a mass of moist air, or vice versa, over a thirty minute period. I've seen rain at the ground move in quicker than that. Have you ever cross referenced your observations with weather data from the area?

Yes, I have. or at least have attempted on numerous occasions. In fact, what I witnessed and compared to the available data did seem inconsistent. the lack of complete and precise measurements at any particular points in the sky stifled any conclusion, though.

Making observations with the naked eye from the ground when you don't know really what your looking at does not make good science.

I know that, I wouldn't even consider it science at all. Just relating observation with facts.

Get your self-righteous tone outta here. How can you disagree with the mainstream news talking about cloud seeding in Russia to help with snow?? I mean really, how is that... not authentic? That "website" you are disparaging also has TONS of sources.

skip a step and just post the sources...

 

[L2R]

That didn't happen
Show me where that happened, you're making things up. I'm 20 and I have no reason to deny it.

It happened here

Stop acting crazy. Stop acting crazy is not a full sentence (just saying it for you)

Yes it is.

and yes, I called someone a conspiracy theorist in jest. EW did it the way people commonly do it.

No he didn't. His use was proper, and you did not use it "in jest". You used it based on the premise that insanity is subjective, therefore so are conspiracy theories. This is utter nonsense, and i called you out on it.

btw btw isn't a real word, just to let you know, because I know you like to tell me things like that.

It's an acronym.

I hope you are enjoying these grammatical revenges, but you seem to have missed the mark every time.

Also, yes look up hubris if you don't know what it means. I know what it means (this isn't a full sentence, just to let you know)

You are using "hubris" incorrectly. And yes, that is a sentence.

"People look bad when they disagree with you?

..."
No, people look bad when they disagree with facts after the sources have just been posted. L2comprehend. You have the slogan of l2r but comprehension is something you should look into.

Are all of your counterarguments simple ad homs? is this how you talk to people in real life?

anyway, explain that age thing bro. I'm not gonna make up some bullshit excuse about how age is not relevant or something, no, the thing is I don't think you (or anyone else) ever asked me how old I was and I DEFINITELY did not avoid answering it. "it smacks of the naivety and ignorance of youth" Not a real sentence, bucko. and EW's high logic? By confusing contrails and chemtrails and dancing well around the veracity of the actual facts of chemtrails existing.

The age speaks quite a lot about your basic misuses of english words. the term "Chemtrails" was an adaptation of "Contrails" in order to reinforce a fictitious concept with a factual phenomenon. What you are referring to as "chemtrails" is not the common usage. Get over it, and just use cloud seeding or whatever it is you're haarping on about.

Now, you say that sources have been posted (over and over) disproving chemtrails, or what I'm saying or whatever? Because as far as I'm aware that didn't happen once. Show me what I ignored over and over because I read the whole damn thread. Since you're gonna (attempt) to analyze me, I'm going to analyze you: You seem desperate to make me look bad.

You make yourself look bad. EW & BP pointed out how you seem not to know what a "chemtrail" is. I point out that you don't seem to know what a conspiracy is. You've constantly used incorrect terminology and masked adhoms as arguments.

and once again:

This never happened, and if you want to suggest that it did then prove it.

proof again
http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/threads/696216-The-gun-thread-reloaded?p=11897798&viewfull=1#post11897798

Basically, everything you posted in this quoted post is wrong, incorrect, ignorant, blah blah

Are you that deluded?

Yeah, there is. the theory they subscribe to is a conspiracy involving making up something known as chemtrails and pushing disinformation through various science outlets (somehow) and mainstream news to convince people they exist. They don't want people to know the truth, that chemtrails aren't real! Because then they might focus on, you know, actual problems.

No, we are simplying denying it. Again, you are misusing the word "conspiracy".

old:The burden of proof is on you to disprove it because apparently Bill Nye fucking believes it and enjoys talking about it and you're just acting like you know it all because you can't seem to wrap your mind around this little concept of chemtrails.
fixed:The burden of proof is on you to disprove it, because apparently Bill Nye fucking believes it, and enjoys talking about it. You're just acting like you know it all because you can't seem to wrap your mind around this little concept of chemtrails.
(notice how it's barely different and just as coherent and the grammar is fixed?)
Yeah, it was grammatically incorrect. and probably still is. But if you don't think it's coherent that's because you're having comprehension difficulties, it's an easy sentence to understand. I mean, nice attempt to try to make me look bad but when you actually look at the grammatical errors in that sentence you see that your point about coherency is kind of ludicrous.

1- burden to disprove is a logical fallacy
2- bill nye believeing or talking about a subject does not mean that anyone else must "disprove" him. your use of "because" make another fallacious assertion.
3- you are plainly asserting that a lack of comprehension leads to attitudes where we "know it all", but there is no basis for this. it's just a fictional adhom.

of course it is easy to understand, but only a unsubstantial and childish rant.

 

[bit_pattern]

or whatever it is you're haarping on about

I sees what you gone did done there

 

[Bardeaux]

Stop acting crazy is not a full sentence

ALRIGHT

That's the last straw. "Stop acting crazy" is a full sentence, it's just not grammatically correct. It should be written "Stop acting crazily", as "crazy" in itself is not an adverb, it's an adjective or under certain circumstances, a noun. The subject of this sentence is implied or understood, it's the person, group or thing you're telling to "stop acting crazily". The action verb in this scenario is "acting". One is acting crazily. The predicate of this sentence is that one is "acting crazily". The implied subject is acting crazily and is being told to do otherwise via the direct command "stop". If the subject is not directly identified, you should always assume that the subject is understood when there is a direct command in the sentence.


Will post sources later

Also, yes look up hubris if you don't know what it means. I know what it means (this isn't a full sentence, just to let you know)

That's two full sentences!

 

[bloodshed344]

Well, back to the actual topic: Something even crazier than the chemtrails, electromagnetic pulse weather control.

http://www.activistpost.com/2013/11/dutchsinse-video-prompts-filipino.html

I apologize for my grammar errors guys, but you're only displaying the aspect that my whole point was about. Why focus on another's grammar in a conversation when the focus is the discussion of facts? Allowing such discussion of grammar inevitably leads to personal attacks and pointless blocks of texts.

Anyway, since I'm a big "proponent of chemtrails" according to bit_pattern (uhh, wouldn't that be the government since they're spraying them?) I just want to say that yes, they're real! Believe in the chemtrails my brothers!

and yes, the "chemtrails theory" IS talking about climate manipulation and cloud seeding. No idea what military chaff is, however. Just because some disinformation got along that says there's a seperate chemtrail theory that is not climate manipulation or cloud seeding does not mean that's what it refers to.
I don't care if meth heads think jet vapor is government poison, that doesn't have a bearing on what the chemtrail discussion is about. You say those people all corrected me on the issue but really you were all just wrong.

 

[capstone]

Just going to put this here, I almost couldn't find it again:

 

[the toad]

So virgin galactic is "spraying chemtrails" while test flying their inventions? The "trails" are obvious in their video... Call me skeptical of the secret spraying theories... They do spray stuff from planes but its no big secret and its not the contrails that you see in the sky, thats just condensed vapor from combustion getting dumped into sub zero temps at very low pressure...

 

[23536]

"Stop acting crazy" is a full sentence, it's just not grammatically correct. It should be written "Stop acting crazily", as "crazy" in itself is not an adverb, it's an adjective or under certain circumstances, a noun. The subject of this sentence is implied or understood, it's the person, group or thing you're telling to "stop acting crazily". The action verb in this scenario is "acting". One is acting crazily. The predicate of this sentence is that one is "acting crazily". The implied subject is acting crazily and is being told to do otherwise via the direct command "stop". If the subject is not directly identified, you should always assume that the subject is understood when there is a direct command in the sentence.

"Stop acting crazy" is not ungrammatical. It is equivalent to "Stop acting Irish". Irish is an adjective, and "crazy" is similarly an adjective.

Consider the following:

Charlie Sheen was acting high.

It is ambiguous, but not ungrammatical. It can mean Sheen was acting while high or Sheen was behaving like he was high.

The parsing of "Stop acting crazy" is similar. It can imply that one is pretending to be crazy or that one's behavior suggests that he is crazy. The latter sense is better stated as "crazily", but the former sense is closer to the intention of the original utterance in this thread.

 

[Bardeaux]

^If a pronoun or a noun is being addressed, it's appropriate to use an adjective. For instance, "Charlie Sheen is high". In your example, you're describing the verb "acting", not the pronoun "Charlie Sheen", so it's correct to use an adverb instead. "Charlie Sheen was acting highly". The same principle applies to "stop acting crazy", you're not describing the person as crazy, your describing the verb "acting" as crazy. So it's appropriate to use an adverb. "Stop acting crazy" isn't technically grammatically correct as we're considering "crazy" an adverb rather than an adjective, although it's used much more colloquially than saying "stop acting crazily". As is "acting high". I've never said "acting highly" in my life, I don't think. I suppose it can be acceptable to use an adjective in place of an adverb informally, but this makes grammar nazi cat moody.




PS- This is my favorite topic in this thread.

 

[the toad]

^false, a crazy person acts crazily

Edit (im an idiot and misread your post)

Final answer... True :D

 

[bit_pattern]

So virgin galactic is "spraying chemtrails" while test flying their inventions? The "trails" are obvious in their video... Call me skeptical of the secret spraying theories... They do spray stuff from planes but its no big secret and its not the contrails that you see in the sky, thats just condensed vapor from combustion getting dumped into sub zero temps at very low pressure...

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Dude. Richard Branson is a shape shifting reptilian. He's totes in on the NWO.

 

[bit_pattern]

Just going to put this here, I almost couldn't find it again:

You whacko's are so hilariously misinformed its quite delicious

I did listen carefully to what he said - e.g. "Silver iodone. The reason we use it is because it's inert. It's environmentally safe". Yup. That's chemistry for ya, you should try learning a bit capstone!

And, I mean, creating ice and mitigating hail - how nefarious!! that's like, totes, only a step away from total GLOBAL DEPOPULATION AND LIZARD PEOPLE!!!

IT gets better and better:

"So you get, like, contracts from the United States government?"

"Nope"

"So you get contracts from, like, OTHER governments?"

"Nope, like counties, like North Dakota counties"

North Dakota, at the bleeding edge of the New World Order

I'm LOLing so much right now.

 

[superelephant]

Dude. Richard Branson is a shape shifting reptilian. He's totes in on the NWO.

virgin mobile stole 35 dollars from me. paid a bill, (a few days ahead of time) and they still wouldn't provide me the service after I provided proof of purchase, they tried to claim that it must not have worked because I provided the wrong number by which to recognize the account. I proved this wasn't the case by showing the receipt to be accurate but they just said that the money was already on another account and there was nothing they could do and that I would have to pay for it again and make sure the service was on before leaving the store (so much for paying early )..... Fuck that guy.

You whacko's are so hilariously misinformed its quite delicious

I did listen carefully to what he said - e.g. "Silver iodone. The reason we use it is because it's inert. It's environmentally safe". Yup. That's chemistry for ya, you should try learning a bit capstone!

And, I mean, creating ice and mitigating hail - how nefarious!! that's like, totes, only a step away from total GLOBAL DEPOPULATION AND LIZARD PEOPLE!!!

IT gets better and better:

"So you get, like, contracts from the United States government?"

"Nope"

"So you get contracts from, like, OTHER governments?"

"Nope, like counties, like North Dakota counties"

North Dakota, at the bleeding edge of the New World Order

I'm LOLing so much right now.

1) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argyria Argyria looks like it sucks. (I didn't hear them specify whether or not they use nano particles)

http://www.nature.nps.gov/hazardssafety/toxic/silver.pdf

http://books.google.com/books?id=Nnh1WpHZbysC&pg=PA58&lpg=PA58&dq=silver+iodide+bioaccumulation&source=bl&ots=5Ds1LNcebA&sig=67leD9Revl-4FW2h__McXkd8hlM&hl=en&sa=X&ei=JvOGUqSyFZHLkQeJyYHwBw&ved=0CGwQ6AEwCQ#v=onepage&q&f=false
^more reading concerning potential effects of silver on the environment.

2) I guess you're watching videos now? why the sudden change of heart?

 

[capstone]

You whacko's are so hilariously misinformed its quite delicious

I did listen carefully to what he said - e.g. "Silver iodone. The reason we use it is because it's inert. It's environmentally safe". Yup. That's chemistry for ya, you should try learning a bit capstone!

North Dakota, at the bleeding edge of the New World Order

Get off it. Silver iodine has been used for years to seed clouds. Its called weather modification. And no matter which way you look at it, they still do it without our permission. These techniques have been used in war 40 years ago in Vietnam to flood out the Ho Chi Minh Trail. You can bet your dirty aussie bottom dollar that the technology is now a science, and weather can be manipulated by many different types of operational influences. This is definitely a tactical technology that governments have lusted over, and now have.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cloud_seeding

This was written up in 1996 by a group of military officers:

Weather as a Force Multiplier: Owning the Weather in 2025

The documentation is definitely there for saying that governments are engaged in atmospheric manipulation.

The chemtrail program is highly compartmentalized, there being many times more different operations as per uses of weather modification. These programs, unrelated in what they do, aren't told everything about what they do, much less what other programs are doing. You give the pilots a good story, then fill their planes up with fuel additives to release these trails. Most of the people in these types of programs don't themselves have the full story of what's going on, comprehensively, so secrecy is easily maintained. That's Intelligence 101, boy: never give your guys the whole story, then if compromised, they'll have little to tell.


Patent US 5003186 A: Stratospheric Welsbach seeding for reduction of global warming

If you were to modify to atmosphere, how would you go about it? Would you create an entirely new and separate infrastructure for chemical and particulated metal delivery, which is very expensive, or would you go the cheaper route and use what's already there, and retrofit it for your purposes? A large program such as this has to above all maintain secrecy, because if they have to keep it a secret its most likely not in our best interests. Many states are given federal grants to participate in these operations, as are even more private companies. Controlling the weather is a lucrative deal, and there's much profit in doing so.

Think about this: say you had a huge investment in crop yields, and you wouldn't mind seeing your bank account with a few extra digits. If you could invest in company that could create say, a drought, you'd get more bang for your buck. Such is how these deals are made, and its happening all over the world.

We've been living in a weather war for at least the past ten years.

 

[the toad]

I feel like i typing with my forehead... I got a friggin monsanto lab and test fields across the street from my house that cropdust all sorts of nitrates and phoshates and pesticides and herbicides on their "roundup safe" plants and my house and in the creek and river (confirmed in water samples tested by the government and published) and everything else, but the "chemtrailers" are worried about silver nitrate in snowclouds but eat all their toxic food that causes all sors of health issues in lab animals and blame the government for secretly poisoning them and covering it up... Like wtf over?

 

[Jabberwocky]

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Dude. Richard Branson is a shape shifting reptilian. He's totes in on the NWO.

Richard Branson is the man.

I feel like i typing with my forehead... I got a friggin monsanto lab and test fields across the street from my house that cropdust all sorts of nitrates and phoshates and pesticides and herbicides on their "roundup safe" plants and my house and in the creek and river (confirmed in water samples tested by the government and published) and everything else, but the "chemtrailers" are worried about silver nitrate in snowclouds but eat all their toxic food that causes all sors of health issues in lab animals and blame the government for secretly poisoning them and covering it up... Like wtf over?

+ infinity points, sir.

 

[superelephant]

I feel like i typing with my forehead... I got a friggin monsanto lab and test fields across the street from my house that cropdust all sorts of nitrates and phoshates and pesticides and herbicides on their "roundup safe" plants and my house and in the creek and river (confirmed in water samples tested by the government and published) and everything else, but the "chemtrailers" are worried about silver nitrate in snowclouds but eat all their toxic food that causes all sors of health issues in lab animals and blame the government for secretly poisoning them and covering it up... Like wtf over?

I don't consume GMO's and I told you to move. what else do you want from me?

 

[Jabberwocky]

lol yeah, you get no points for continuing to live there, unless you're like 15 ;P

 

[superelephant]

lol yeah, you get no points for continuing to live there, unless you're like 15 ;P

He said they dusted his car....

 

[Jabberwocky]

there will always be a silver lining