Almost 4 Years Sober - Considering Psychadelics For Spiritual Growth - Seeking Advice

[DrDarkside]

If you live in the Western world unless you go to countries where native or indigenous people there actually do have ceremonies where they use these plant mixtures and fungi, and are a part of their culture and are raised in it you're not actually going to have a ritual, spiritual experience, or really learn anything from it.

Completley disagree, spirituality doesnt come from culture, it is individual, you either have knowledge and awareness of it or you dont. How is it that so many lecturers (specialisits in addiction etc) from all over the world have taken ayahuasca and share like minded information/and/or experiences? And most of these that I mention actually come from the western world, I could list some of them but I dont think there is a need to.

Basically you either get it or you dont.

 

[Jabberwocky]

I mean, there is some room for concern, but in almost all cases, such as the above poster the use of entheogens are taken totally out of the real life contexts in which their used and only the worst case scenarios are seriously explored, blowing the potential dangers way, way out of proportion.

 

[MisterNotSoClean]

Having had dmt and mushrooms both once years ago I personally would want to do shrooms again later on down the line ( currently only about a month off suboxone) DMT was absolutely insane and hit like a ton of bricks. So much so that there was no joy in it for me. I am a very level headed person, rational. But I allllllmost lost it on DMT. The main thing was I invented a story about a town physically in my head and it was flooding with blood. They had to release some valve that opened my ears. I could feel the pressure building up and it would fill my head. Then they would release the valve and the blood would pour out my ears....

I was unable to focus on anything but that... Made for a very unpleasant experience.

Shrooms on the other hand, totally different story. I took the first hour to admire the visuals by pouring water on concrete. It created this wild blooming effect which turned into layers of flowing mosaic. It was so difficult to rip myself away from that but managed to sit down with my ex and have a long and meaningful conversation. I don't want to get into the details of the convo but I would have to say that night stayed with me for a good while. In the end we became much more open people which ultimately led to us parting ways. (Good thing)

It's definitely a journey and if there is a next time for me I would most likely want to do it more as an introspective journey.

Just like withdraws, it's hard to explain to someone who has never had the experience.

You sound like your heads on right but just be careful as in the end you want to make sure that you will not jeopardize your sobriety.

Vote for Shrooms/ psilocybin

 

[cire113]

I can relate a lot to what the OP is saying and his intentions seem well and I think doing the right entheogens could really help him grow and further aid in many matters in his life ;

I'm 7 months clean but still highly advocate certain entheogens for spiritual growth mostly iboga, dmt/ayahausca

So far I've done 2 iboga floods one to detox another while sober and countless micro dosing and booster attempts ;

I wouldn't reccomend iboga because it's such a brutal experience but taking smaller doses is still very worthwhile and introspective;

The one guys long post about not able to reach spiritual experiences outside of indigenous cultures and about everything else he said is complete horse shit...

Entheogens are extremely worthwhile and useful tool for spiritual growth especially those in drug addiction recovery IME

I'm actually debating whether to do ayahausca or some LsD for growth myself ;

As much as I loved my DMT god moment

Winks at Captain H

DMT was just way too intense and too difficult to integrate or get true insight about my underlying issues with this unique human incarnation ;

But DMT will take you straight to the source of it ALL If you take enough ....

Wow!

 

[DrDarkside]

I can relate a lot to what the OP is saying and his intentions seem well and I think doing the right entheogens could really help him grow and further aid in many matters in his life ;

I'm 7 months clean but still highly advocate certain entheogens for spiritual growth mostly iboga, dmt/ayahausca

So far I've done 2 iboga floods one to detox another while sober and countless micro dosing and booster attempts ;

I wouldn't reccomend iboga because it's such a brutal experience but taking smaller doses is still very worthwhile and introspective;

The one guys long post about not able to reach spiritual experiences outside of indigenous cultures and about everything else he said is complete horse shit...

Entheogens are extremely worthwhile and useful tool for spiritual growth especially those in drug addiction recovery IME

I'm actually debating whether to do ayahausca or some LsD for growth myself ;

As much as I loved my DMT god moment

Winks at Captain H

DMT was just way too intense and too difficult to integrate or get true insight about my underlying issues with this unique human incarnation ;

But DMT will take you straight to the source of it ALL If you take enough ....

Wow!

Whats it like doing small doses of Iboga, I have read its very harsh but Im interested to know about smaller doses. Did you do a the Iboga itself or was it an analogue (im not sure if there even is an Iboga analogue to be honest)

 

[cire113]

Well there is iboga root bark which is very harsh on the body and contains a bunch of alkaloids as well as the Main psychoactive alkaloid Ibogaine ...

I would reccomend Ibogaine as its not as harsh as the root bark cause it's heavy plant matter on your digestive track...

Taking small doses of either or a non flood dose will produce a very very deep and psychological state of introspection and insight ...

Got me thinking about next level shit even with low doses

 

[alpha_centauri]

You're just kidding yourself. Stop making up excuses.

If you were really serious about really being sober or clean from drugs or the ones you had problems with you would not even considering tripping or using other drugs to get high on.

 

[Jabberwocky]

What does it mean to "really be sober or clean from drugs" in your opinion alpha_centauri? You're say if he were serious about being sober he would not even consider tripping or use other drugs to "get high on" (which, for the record, he is very clear about his concern that he wants to avoid simply getting "high" from any hypothetical entheogen use).

Now, I may be taking your words too literally, but. . . I don't think expressing the desire to merely have a conversation about one's desire to explore the possibility of using a substance in the service of personal growth is necessarily indicative of delusional thinking, rationalization or any other relapse mentality. I understand that someone with an abstinence only mentality would take that kind of stance, but that doesn't mean it is gospel truth.

 

[RDP89]

You're just kidding yourself. Stop making up excuses.

If you were really serious about really being sober or clean from drugs or the ones you had problems with you would not even considering tripping or using other drugs to get high on.

This is very black and white thinking that is in my opinion counterproductive.

 

[average extreme]

I am in the same situation and i have been unsure about it for a long time now.... But now the universe sent me a sign: I found acid, laying on the ground waiting for me to pick it up! No shit, i swear lol there is a club near where i found it i found lots of drugs in the past but never acid until now this is soo fucking cool.

You are afraid of having a bad trip. This is what got us addicted in the first place: The inability to deal with negativity and to cope with problems.... I think that growth is always connected with suffering and that it isn't supposed to be pleasent to face your demons. A trip is not fun it is work. Even if the effects aren't immediately positive you can turn it into something positive once you processed it.

Growth and change always means to leave your comfortzone. Ask yourself if you want that right now.

 

[RDP89]

You're just kidding yourself. Stop making up excuses.

If you were really serious about really being sober or clean from drugs or the ones you had problems with you would not even considering tripping or using other drugs to get high on.

This is very black and white thinking that is in my opinion counterproductive.

 

[treezy z]

Personally I never got anything spiritual out of all my acid and mushroom trips, otherwise I would have dropped the dust dope coke etc right then and there.

If you do the shrooms will you be honest about it?

Ex:
Them: Hey how long you been sober
You: 4 years
Them: Damn nothing?
You: Yeah I did shrooms yesterday though they're spiritual

If you try to be sneaky and deceptive about the shrooms you'll be going backwards spiritually, new stuff to feel guilty about etc

 

[Jabberwocky]

Straw man arguments like that highlight the ignorance and black and white thinking about how sobriety works in abstinence only culture.

Using shrooms for personal growth and remaining sober are not mutually exclusive things in my mind, though they do seem opposed pursuits in when it comes to most of the narrow mind folks who seem attached to 12 step groups.

 

[DrDarkside]

Straw man arguments like that highlight the ignorance and black and white thinking about how sobriety works in abstinence only culture.

Using shrooms for personal growth and remaining sober are not mutually exclusive things in my mind, though they do seem opposed pursuits in when it comes to most of the narrow mind folks who seem attached to 12 step groups.

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