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All Things Fitness/Gym/Aesthetics 2012: So Homoerotic!

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i'm not a diet expert, but as far as i'm aware, protein can't, or if it can it's always shat out quicker than it can be converted. [edit] not the case with carbs, obv

isnt that partly how atkins works? i mean separate from the 'starvation mode' thing?
 
Marmalade said:
i'm not a diet expert, but as far as i'm aware, protein can't, or if it can it's always shat out quicker than it can be converted. [edit] not the case with carbs, obv

isnt that partly how atkins works? i mean separate from the 'starvation mode' thing?
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The conversion to fat is more difficult, but if you ate 3000 cals in protein and 3000 in carbs, I don't think the difference if you didn't exercise would be too great. The work your kidneys had to put in to convert it to fat for storage though would put them under more strain. Reading about there is very little consensus on how much is too much any way. Loads of drs crying about over eating protein and how it's bad for you and counterproductive wah wah wah.
 
As far as i was aware protein gets converted to muscle or it gets shat out. might be wrong though. does it also get converted to fat?
 
if you eat to much protien it gets shat out for sure, its just a waste, your body can only digest so much.
 
ColtDan said:
As far as i was aware protein gets converted to muscle or it gets shat out. might be wrong though. does it also get converted to fat?
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Protein > Peptides+Amino Acids > Excess petides+amino acids > Fats+sugars > Burn off + stored in Fat
 
ah i didn't realize protein gets stored as fats n sugars, i just thought it got discarded if not used for muscle. gaining a bit of fat recently, probably due to my higher protein intake, been eating more protein and less sugar, as sugar triggers binge eating for me, but protein makes me feel more full. guess its a fine balanace. apparently too much sugar causes water retention and some other crap. altho more protein and less sugar must be better than more sugar and less protein. need to get some decent scales, mine are crap. does anyone know if those BMI scales that measure fat etc actually work properly?
 
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ah i didn't realize protein gets stored as fats n sugars, i just thought it got discarded if not used for muscle. gaining a bit of fat recently, probably due to my higher protein intake, been eating more protein and less sugar, as sugar triggers binge eating for me, but protein makes me feel more full. guess its a fine balanace. apparently too much sugar causes water retention and some other crap. altho more protein and less sugar must be better than more sugar and less protein. need to get some decent scales, mine are crap. does anyone know if those BMI scales that measure fat etc actually work properly?
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I believe calipers are the best for measuring BF. BMI is inconsequential as long as your BF is in the right limits. If protein didn't get converted to fat, then bodybuilders would only eat protein all day long and they'd be 0% body fat all year round.
 
But theres no way to eat only protein without calories and fat. tuna has high protein, but minimal cals and fat. protein shakes have cals n fat.

its all got cals and fat
 
ColtDan said:
But theres no way to eat only protein without calories and fat. tuna has high protein, but minimal cals and fat. protein shakes have cals n fat.

its all got cals and fat
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Protein has cals in it full stop? Protein is cals. You can get protein powder that is 100% protein, with zero fat and practically zero carbs - about 1/1000th of the amount your body would burn just by running.
 
I've had this debate with nerdboy before, which is hard, because i honestly know fuck all about it (doesn't stawp me from arguing though =D)

he always tells me that excess protein calories will not be converted quickly enough to sugars for them to be stored and aren't relevant in terms of weight gain as fat etc. the excess just get pooped out before it can be converted and stored

genuinely interested in confirming whether that's the case. not that it can be converted ... just about whether that's relevant to an increase in weight (not muscle weight)

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tbh, I think he just uses it as a way to get me to eat meat
 
Definitely 100% at least a fairly big % will get converted to fat if you aren't exercising. Perhaps not as much as simple sugars or other carbs because some is lost in conversion, and perhaps even excretion, but still a lot. Most people only shit once a day, and the whole time it's in your large bowel you'll be absorbing from it. When i'm in flare, like I am now, I go dozens of times a day, so I don't absorb much of anything. The crohn's diet ruelz.
 
This is starting to confuse my MXE induced noggin. but in an intriguingly complex way

whats the ratio this conversion stuff works at

say i eat 25 more grams of protein that i dont need
 
@ MSB: I'm not convinced about the conversion to fat being quick enough [edit] ... visual evidence here supports the opposite

I need to do some more reading on that. nerdboy shits 5 times a day. lawl. no joke.

5 seconds and counting until I get a text that says, 'can you stop talking about me on the internet and revealing my toilet habits.'

this post will possibly get a major edit later on ;p

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i thought that's how atkins functioned mainly also. doesn't the premise of that rest on allowing pretty much excessive amounts of protein, because it can't be quickly converted ... then burning your body fat for energy which equals weight loss, but your muscles are maintained from the high consumption of protein as well
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eh, ignore that, it sounds like bollocks.
 
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fitness is ghey or at least intentional fitness is.
 
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if you wanna be all immature, lets have it, your face is gay with your fucking old school faggoty floral patterned poncey carpet, you something....... whatever
 
Mr Smokes Blunts. said:
Definitely 100% at least a fairly big % will get converted to fat if you aren't exercising. Perhaps not as much as simple sugars or other carbs because some is lost in conversion, and perhaps even excretion, but still a lot. Most people only shit once a day, and the whole time it's in your large bowel you'll be absorbing from it. When i'm in flare, like I am now, I go dozens of times a day, so I don't absorb much of anything. The crohn's diet ruelz.
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You're probably a guy that would know, but I'd always thought that you only absorbed nutrients from your small intestines and that the large intestines was just about water recovery? Not being a pedant, I'm just interested. I've been trying to figure out protein absorption rates for a while. Studies show absorption rates of various proteins in g/Hour. according to wiki "it takes 2.5 to 3 hours after a meal for 50% of stomach contents to empty into the intestines and total emptying of the stomach takes 4 to 5 hours. Subsequently, 50% emptying of the small intestine takes 2.5 to 3 hours. Finally, transit through the colon takes 30 to 40 hours."

So how far through the system can we absorb nutrients? If I knew that, I should be able to work out the maximum useful amount to have in one sitting.
 
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