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Meth Alka Seltzer shots in comparison to IV meth?

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jayyss

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Have any IVDU of meth tried an alka seltzer shot? How does it compare in terms of strength? I normally slam 0.1 every now and then and thats intense enough but recently my tolerance has risen.

I have been told that the alka seltzer / antacid method potentiates meth regardless of route of administration.

Your thoughts
 
Hi @jayyss

When you're injecting Methamphetamine, you can't expect something like some antacids to make a noticeable difference for you.

By lowering the Ph of the urine, more Methamphetamine will ultimately be absorbed, whereas it would otherwise be excreted in your urine unchanged. So, your Methamphetamine is either going to end up in circulation or in the toilet. Antacids will lead to more absorption and less acidic urine or lower Ph will lead to more Methamphetamine in the toilet.

This will lead to a somewhat more potent and longer-lasting effect, but this will be over the course of several hours. If you follow me, you're probably not gonna be saying "man, I really feel it now". You will probably just end up with a couple more hours until the comedown.

My understanding is that lowering the Ph of the urine can be done through the use of antacids. They go through the stomach and eventually lead to a more alkaline urine environment. My basic understanding is, that as the Methamphetamine travels throughout your blood and your body, it will eventually reach the urine, where most Amphetamine will be excreted, both metabolites and unchanged drug(s). When the Amphetamine gets to the urine, so to speak, the more basic environment will lead to the Amphetamine being rejected, if you will from the excretion process to go for another circle of the body where more of the drug will ultimately be absorbed and thus produce effects.

So the antacids should be effective even if the Amphetamine is administered by a route other than oral.
 
How does the strength compare? anyone tried both methods of administration?
 
Hey man just thought I'd let you know, if you dont stop you could lose your mind and i will tell you it physically hurts to lose your mind. dont take your life for granted. Hope you have a good day and know someone out here cares.
 
yea

cut that shit out - it's not even a good drug - it just turns you into an idiot - or just a bigger idiot if you're already a little bit of an idiot
 
I know Methamphetamine is really destructive. We've all seen it. Let's just make sure that in the HR forums we aren't making content that has no objective other than to dissuade a person from using. If a person comes here for an answer, it's obviously cool to share your thoughts and experiences with them. Let's just make sure our first point is to try to help them find answers.

I'm not criticizing anyone. I'm pretty sure I'm guilty of the same thing, especially regarding Methamphetamine and now Fentanyl;Fentanyl/Xylazine. It's pretty hard to see the positives. We just gotta make sure we're educating in the process.
 
Keif' Richards said:
I know Methamphetamine is really destructive. We've all seen it. Let's just make sure that in the HR forums we aren't making content that has no objective other than to dissuade a person from using. If a person comes here for an answer, it's obviously cool to share your thoughts and experiences with them. Let's just make sure our first point is to try to help them find answers.

I'm not criticizing anyone. I'm pretty sure I'm guilty of the same thing, especially regarding Methamphetamine and now Fentanyl;Fentanyl/Xylazine. It's pretty hard to see the positives. We just gotta make sure we're educating in the process.
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I get what you mean. Its about harm reduction because this might be the only place someone goes instead of getting REALLY bad advice. I am just in the middle of literally losing my mind due to meth psychosis and im barely hanging on. My closest friend has prayed for me several maybe 50 times to stop the onset of agonizing insanity or demonic stuff and its worked, but i dont want anyone simply after a bomb high losing their mind and permanantly suffering beyond all hope for that. We all take things that we have for granted, and i asssure you our sound thinking and sense of calm are two of them. It is deadly serious. No one should suffer this pain. Just twenty minutes ago (ive been sober over five months and have only slammed once, smoked and snorted a fair bit) i was trying to go to sleep and almost got stuck in a mental spasm/ body jerk that was between dreaming and awake. Three hours ago i was listening to the radio in the car and my entire perception of the music became very odd very suddenly and, again, physically hurt. I hear words in the wind, dogs barking, or other sounds, my body feels like somone is touching it when i dont hear the words, and almost every other person if they are not obviously good seems like they are after my sanity when they pass by and are talking. I have periodically lost sensation in whole parts of my body and momentarily lost control/ not sure if im in control of my body. Terrible thoughts I would never think enter my mind that i would never think otherwise. this is to say nothing of the heartbreak ive caused my mother who loves me, my brother who i grew up with and love no longer trusts me and might never want me in his life again, and i have no idea how i can ever be a father to my daughter. If i wouldve stopped while it was still fun, while i still had a relatively solid mind, i might've (may still im hoping) had a chance. I am almost unemployable and i am homeless. It is only by Gods grace i am alive and can communicate. Meth is a horrible poison. What do you do/ recommend i comunicate on this site, because i believe you dont endorse it/ try to mitigate damage? I do not want to cause more harm than good thats for sure.
 
LifeIsWorthIt said:
I get what you mean. Its about harm reduction because this might be the only place someone goes instead of getting REALLY bad advice. I am just in the middle of literally losing my mind due to meth psychosis and im barely hanging on. My closest friend has prayed for me several maybe 50 times to stop the onset of agonizing insanity or demonic stuff and its worked, but i dont want anyone simply after a bomb high losing their mind and permanantly suffering beyond all hope for that. We all take things that we have for granted, and i asssure you our sound thinking and sense of calm are two of them. It is deadly serious. No one should suffer this pain. Just twenty minutes ago (ive been sober over five months and have only slammed once, smoked and snorted a fair bit) i was trying to go to sleep and almost got stuck in a mental spasm/ body jerk that was between dreaming and awake. Three hours ago i was listening to the radio in the car and my entire perception of the music became very odd very suddenly and, again, physically hurt. I hear words in the wind, dogs barking, or other sounds, my body feels like somone is touching it when i dont hear the words, and almost every other person if they are not obviously good seems like they are after my sanity when they pass by and are talking. I have periodically lost sensation in whole parts of my body and momentarily lost control/ not sure if im in control of my body. Terrible thoughts I would never think enter my mind that i would never think otherwise. this is to say nothing of the heartbreak ive caused my mother who loves me, my brother who i grew up with and love no longer trusts me and might never want me in his life again, and i have no idea how i can ever be a father to my daughter. If i wouldve stopped while it was still fun, while i still had a relatively solid mind, i might've (may still im hoping) had a chance. I am almost unemployable and i am homeless. It is only by Gods grace i am alive and can communicate. Meth is a horrible poison. What do you do/ recommend i comunicate on this site, because i believe you dont endorse it/ try to mitigate damage? I do not want to cause more harm than good thats for sure.
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Yea man I totally get it. I'm really sorry that you're dealing with this. The majority of my drug issues were centered around Opioids. I've used enough Amphetamines though to have been through hallucinations. Even when I was a total junkie, I always looked in the mirror and saw some version of myself I could recognize, maybe a shittier, worse version, but still me. When I have used Meth, it's like I really wasn't myself anymore. It made me into some kind of insane robot. The feelings that come with remembering some of those experiences only make me feel worse as time has gone on. I know that there were moments in my life where I totally threw away what it means to be a human being; not thinking or feeling anything other than "smoke cigarette, masturbate, look out window, masturbate, call drug dealer".

I know a guy who pushes around a shopping cart full of garbage that he collects. He seems to walk around all day and night. He had stayed at the shelter I was working at for several weeks while he was "just smokin weed and having a couple beers" wearing clean clothes with his hair slicked back, with a constant look of embarrassment on his face, as he knew that everyone there recognized him as the crazy, methed out cart guy. Still, he was smiling and talking about his kids. He eventually went back on Meth and I'm pretty sure he is pushing the cart around still. I saw him take his shoe off once at a bus stop to bandage it up and it was clearly bloody and fucked up from constant walking.

It's really depressing, I know. We can still give people the disclaimers while trying to teach them about acute Harm Reduction. I'm sorry you're feeling it right now dude. All I can say is, you're here right now. You're able to type and explain your feelings. You're still thinking about the possibility of a better life. As far as I'm concerned you've still got a lot more left than a lot of other people out there.

You're going to experience strong cravings for Meth for at least a few months after stopping. Do whatever you need to do to get through that. The depression and insanity will fade into boredom in a matter of days. If you don't change anything, you're going to use Meth to get rid of that sense of apathy. 48 hours later, you're gonna be going crazy all over again. If you need to sedate yourself, watch porn, go base jumping whatever, do something to take your mind off the cravings.

I'm just speaking from experience, I think you're 10x more likely to be successful if you engage in regular therapy. For most addicts like myself, this is 12-step style programs as they are free, global and virtual if needed. If there is another program you prefer, do that. Whatever it is, it's pretty much gotta be an every day thing. You're going to need something in your life in one form or another, every day.

If you commit to all of this, you can make it out and even be happy. Meth is not my thing, but if you ever need to talk about our issues in general, I'm available. Don't give up hope man. I know a lot of former Meth addicts who were 100% insane and one of them is married and I imagine getting ready to have kids.
 
LifeIsWorthIt said:
I get what you mean. Its about harm reduction because this might be the only place someone goes instead of getting REALLY bad advice. I am just in the middle of literally losing my mind due to meth psychosis and im barely hanging on. My closest friend has prayed for me several maybe 50 times to stop the onset of agonizing insanity or demonic stuff and its worked, but i dont want anyone simply after a bomb high losing their mind and permanantly suffering beyond all hope for that. We all take things that we have for granted, and i asssure you our sound thinking and sense of calm are two of them. It is deadly serious. No one should suffer this pain. Just twenty minutes ago (ive been sober over five months and have only slammed once, smoked and snorted a fair bit) i was trying to go to sleep and almost got stuck in a mental spasm/ body jerk that was between dreaming and awake. Three hours ago i was listening to the radio in the car and my entire perception of the music became very odd very suddenly and, again, physically hurt. I hear words in the wind, dogs barking, or other sounds, my body feels like somone is touching it when i dont hear the words, and almost every other person if they are not obviously good seems like they are after my sanity when they pass by and are talking. I have periodically lost sensation in whole parts of my body and momentarily lost control/ not sure if im in control of my body. Terrible thoughts I would never think enter my mind that i would never think otherwise. this is to say nothing of the heartbreak ive caused my mother who loves me, my brother who i grew up with and love no longer trusts me and might never want me in his life again, and i have no idea how i can ever be a father to my daughter. If i wouldve stopped while it was still fun, while i still had a relatively solid mind, i might've (may still im hoping) had a chance. I am almost unemployable and i am homeless. It is only by Gods grace i am alive and can communicate. Meth is a horrible poison. What do you do/ recommend i comunicate on this site, because i believe you dont endorse it/ try to mitigate damage? I do not want to cause more harm than good thats for sure.
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i think your message is fine - you're telling it the way it is - stick to who you are and continue to be you


i hope the best for you too
 
Keif' Richards said:
Yea man I totally get it. I'm really sorry that you're dealing with this. The majority of my drug issues were centered around Opioids. I've used enough Amphetamines though to have been through hallucinations. Even when I was a total junkie, I always looked in the mirror and saw some version of myself I could recognize, maybe a shittier, worse version, but still me. When I have used Meth, it's like I really wasn't myself anymore. It made me into some kind of insane robot. The feelings that come with remembering some of those experiences only make me feel worse as time has gone on. I know that there were moments in my life where I totally threw away what it means to be a human being; not thinking or feeling anything other than "smoke cigarette, masturbate, look out window, masturbate, call drug dealer".

I know a guy who pushes around a shopping cart full of garbage that he collects. He seems to walk around all day and night. He had stayed at the shelter I was working at for several weeks while he was "just smokin weed and having a couple beers" wearing clean clothes with his hair slicked back, with a constant look of embarrassment on his face, as he knew that everyone there recognized him as the crazy, methed out cart guy. Still, he was smiling and talking about his kids. He eventually went back on Meth and I'm pretty sure he is pushing the cart around still. I saw him take his shoe off once at a bus stop to bandage it up and it was clearly bloody and fucked up from constant walking.

It's really depressing, I know. We can still give people the disclaimers while trying to teach them about acute Harm Reduction. I'm sorry you're feeling it right now dude. All I can say is, you're here right now. You're able to type and explain your feelings. You're still thinking about the possibility of a better life. As far as I'm concerned you've still got a lot more left than a lot of other people out there.

You're going to experience strong cravings for Meth for at least a few months after stopping. Do whatever you need to do to get through that. The depression and insanity will fade into boredom in a matter of days. If you don't change anything, you're going to use Meth to get rid of that sense of apathy. 48 hours later, you're gonna be going crazy all over again. If you need to sedate yourself, watch porn, go base jumping whatever, do something to take your mind off the cravings.

I'm just speaking from experience, I think you're 10x more likely to be successful if you engage in regular therapy. For most addicts like myself, this is 12-step style programs as they are free, global and virtual if needed. If there is another program you prefer, do that. Whatever it is, it's pretty much gotta be an every day thing. You're going to need something in your life in one form or another, every day.

If you commit to all of this, you can make it out and even be happy. Meth is not my thing, but if you ever need to talk about our issues in general, I'm available. Don't give up hope man. I know a lot of former Meth addicts who were 100% insane and one of them is married and I imagine getting ready to have kids.
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God bless ypu man . Maybe if you could if ylu see that guy, it may seem difficult but throw him a hug. I know fron recent experience that love at tge right time can save a soul from breaking
 
i like eating it with alka seltzer

but as stated above its a cunt of a drug

when u start using it and it doesnt do what it used to and u actually feel worse its time to stop
 
ok so i did iv shot then.

the two feelings are different
i did the ivy when I was on 2 still know
found myself taking to myself a bit.

I like iv better than smoking

boofing is pretty good if u get it right.

ATM think sticking it in capsule is best- horny, want to paper, good energy.
 
LifeIsWorthIt said:
God bless ypu man . Maybe if you could if ylu see that guy, it may seem difficult but throw him a hug. I know fron recent experience that love at tge right time can save a soul from breaking
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When I first started in this recovery thing, I had a lot of base impulses that I had to repress. When you're feeling like shit, you're neurotransmitters are all fucked up, you look for anything you can to feel good even for a moment. It's pretty easy when you're getting clean to get two weeks clean, then look down on the guy walking into the meeting hungover for his first day. My point is that it's easy and tempting to look down on other people. We can say we're in a better place then them due to our own good decisions.

That guy pushing the cart full of garbage, high on Meth, he is the person that every single person in society can look at, drive by and feel good about themselves. "Man, I beat my wife every night, but at leas.t I'm not pushing a shopping cart full of garbage. I must be doing something right?"

That's why I love social work man. I loved education too, but these are two separate parts of my life. The best moments are when you're able to see yourself in their shoes. When you have that moment, you know that everything that you're ashamed of that is holding you back, you know that there is at least one other person out there who is looking at you for the good inside you, not because of your problems.
 
Jeanpauldash said:
Meth is good for people. It helps them. I don't see how it's harmful.
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Lol.

I think when it comes to the point of inhaling / injecting large doses of methamphetamine, it doesn't help anyone anymore.

Taken orally / maybe intranasally / rectally in small to normal doses once or twice month or so, it can do more good than harm for some.
 
Huh.... I definitely see a lot of opinions... and not even about the question that was proposed in the outset of this thread. I'm trying to say this as respectfully as I can, but, does anyone here really believe that jumping in with some judgmental opinion about the drug actually help anyone who wasn't already ready to quit? And how does believing that your drugs are so much better than my drugs, help in the reduction of harm anyway?
 
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