Alcohol Alcohol vs. Benzos. Which one is more euphoric/awesome?

[soundsystem00]

SO! I am have always kind of, embrassingly enough, been a tad bit anti-achohol. I get so much shit for using meth in my life, so many problems from using benzodiazapines, and so much destruction from just being idiotic on drugs in general, that I have actually discovered that I kinda like alcohol..

So! My body has kind of a reaction to alcohol. I get sick. Just taking a couple shots makes me gag, sometimes even throw up in my mouth. I get heartburn somewhat easily, and my body just kinda rejects it. I tried meth at kind of a young age, same with benzos. I guess I was just lazy. I was like "Well, this makes me feel bad/pukey, and that makes me feel good and I just take a pill! OKAY!"

Well I met a special woman who just sipped vodka. I started trying that more and realizing I kinda enjoy it! So I was VERY curious to know what you guys think? Both benzos and alcohol work on a similar brain receptor, the gaba receptor so WHATS the difference really???

What do you think it more fun/euphoric? Benzos or Alcohol?

 

[daturetard]

Alcohol is super dirty. Hits opioid receptors downstream due to the release of endorphins, and nmda receptors, and about 5-10 other receptors we know of. Benzos are more selective for one site of gabaa receptors, while alcohols effects on the receptor resemble barbiturates and hits a different site.

 

[Chaurus]

I find alcohol to be more euphoric, but benzo's more effective for the goals I have.

 

[pcplease]

both of them. if i could successfully use either at my personsal ideal level, permanently with no serious adverse effects, and was forced to pick, alcohol.

 

[helpingout]

Benzos aren’t euphoric for me. They make me sleep.

Alcohol mostly makes me sleep unless it makes me rage.

There was one time that alcohol hit me just right and kind of made me feel better than gold.

But it scared the fuck out of me because I know that the one thing alcohol does for me more than any other effect is just make me not give a shit about anything or anyone. And feeling that good with a drug that’s liable to turn criminal most times. It just fucking scared the fuck out of me and I haven’t drank since.

I don’t like feeling that way with something that wears off that fast.

And withdrawing from benzos is definitely not euphoric in anyway. I’d straight up call that dysphoric. Fucking hate benzo withdrawals. It’s like your floating up into a fucking cloud of anxiety and stress and helplessness and then you dose that fucking can and your souls weight kind of returns to your body and you can fucking think.

So fucked up.

Not euphoric at all.

But to answer the question definitively for me alcohol is the more euphoric of the two.

 

[Them Witches]

I would rather have benzos any day over alcohol. Alcohol makes my body feel like shit. Having chronic pain syndrome has plenty to do with that. The alcohol drives my pain levels up and ruins my quality of sleep. Plus benzos do not have me calling the coke dealer at 2am after last call.

 

[burn out]

Alcohol is far more euphoric and fun than benzos.

I would rather have benzos any day over alcohol. Alcohol makes my body feel like shit. Having chronic pain syndrome has plenty to do with that. The alcohol drives my pain levels up and ruins my quality of sleep. Plus benzos do not have me calling the coke dealer at 2am after last call.

Yeah alcohol sucks when you have chronic health issues, it seems to just make you feel even worse.

 

[just a coker 01]

Had five diazapaem 5mg yesterday day time 12pm 35cl of navy rum, then 2 olazapine 20mg, then 20cl of rum and cola and now just got a £3 bottle 1 litre of omega cider, it wont last all the rest of night or day, so hopefully my cocaine dealer will serve me up front for a day in advance or i can haggle some dollar for a .2 hcl oe at least a 35cl of rum and cola, wedensday is a defeiente day i can score some hcl and snort a bit and wash up the rest for a smooth pipe or 8 of, the bummer is i have done 28 x 5mg diazapaem in 2 and a half days the script is meant to be 2 weeks worth! Pulling hair out without sense or reason no doubt by 9am grenwhich mean time, and only got 2 thirds of cider left, no script meds, cocaine crack or hcl or hash or ............... the list goes on !!

 

[notsmokeymcpot42088]

Benzos 100% you just can't afford the amounts they are awesome in or are not tolerant. C-lam like 5-10k + a gram (Now I guess? id never pay it), ethanol practically free.

 

[just a coker 01]

Benzos 100% you just can't afford the amounts they are awesome in or are not tolerant. C-lam like 5-10k + a gram (Now I guess? id never pay it), ethanol practically free.

Agreed hombre benzos/diazapaem are great butvits shitty not being able to get large amounts regular in my situation i can only get 28 x 5mg every 14 days and it sucks! Worse that a pardre cadre, if you have been/worn boots naval jacks aswell youll get my drift!

 

[Skorpio]

Alcohol is super dirty. Hits opioid receptors downstream due to the release of endorphins, and nmda receptors, and about 5-10 other receptors we know of. Benzos are more selective for one site of gabaa receptors, while alcohols effects on the receptor resemble barbiturates and hits a different site.

Alcohol is basically a shitty general anesthetic. The majority of receptors it works on primarily (ie not through downstream endorphin release or dopamine disinhibition) are ion channels. This is a feature seen in anesthetics from ether to nitrous to isoflurane (though the specific targets vary).

I have always found benzos lacking recreationally, and really only enjoyed them to combat specific states, either drug induced or natural. Alcohol is much more of a social lubricant to me (likely) due to its promiscuous nature.

 

[daturetard]

in my situation i can only get 28 x 5mg every 14 days and it sucks!

Don't know man that's more than most people get scripted lol

 

[notsmokeymcpot42088]

But either enough to just barely survive the month or have fun like once -- maybe twice. I just use mine as prescribed as I don't think I'm ever gunna have it like I did again. (and alot of that is lack of ambition and willing to take risks I was before).

Anyone else aware of the*Edit* (Shit July) 26th significance? (Or why it had importance at one point) --- The benzo ban in the US "expires" which generally just mean they get scheduled but I retain hope.

 

[just a coker 01]

But either enough to just barely survive the month or have fun like once -- maybe twice. I just use mine as prescribed as I don't think I'm ever gunna have it like I did again. (and alot of that is lack of ambition and willing to take risks I was before).

Anyone else aware of the*Edit* (Shit July) 26th significance? (Or why it had importance at one point) --- The benzo ban in the US "expires" which generally just mean they get scheduled but I retain hope.

hi, any particular benzos expireing,? im in the uk so know only a little usa controls of drugs espically perscripted ones

 

[Mjäll]

Alcohol is much better but diminishing returns start at way lower doses than a typical party night

 

[chippermonk]

I think alcohol is more socially fun than any other drug I know, and I like it, but it feels like a straight-up poison. I can see why it is linked to so many cancers and other health conditions.
I never found anything sociable about benzos, or anything euphoric at all, but maybe that's just me. But when my anxiety is ramped up and I want to sleep, a small dose is just what I want. One thing I hate about alcohol is the way it ruins my sleep

 

[Esperighanto]

I'm sure it's already been mentioned or noticed here by people, but benzos don't bind to GABA receptors, they act as potentiators that essentially pretty pry the GABA receptors further open, if that makes sense. The pharmacology of GABA drugs is super nuanced and still isn't fully understood. Alcohol is also, as mentioned earlier, an incredibly messy drug as far as how it binds.

The description of a Venn diagram, with GHB on one side, benzos on the other, and alcohol in the middle is very applicable imo. Benzos are more "neatly drunk", and GHB is more "sloppy drunk", in this allegory (is allegory the right term here? I just woke up, sorry.)

Benzos have distinctly intense amnesia and delusions of sobriety, alcohol is perhaps the most toxic though. Keep in mind too that both vary, Jamaican rum vs cider vs vodka are so different, as are the majority of benzos from one another. In the is USA right now (the only area I'm familiar with) you're likely to encounter Bromazolam, Etizolam, Bromonordiazepam, Phenazolam aka Clobromazolam, Alprazolam, Clonazepam, Lorazepam, Diazepam, and each one is very unique, if you have questions about any of them feel free to ask away.

 

[emkee_reinvented]

Alcohol is Poison, but the Euphoric one. Excepting Temazepam.
Which ime was better not dirty and no hangover.
And Alcohol is fiending, one drink hardly possible. Avoid !

Both are super addicting, experienced Alcohol 2 times physical dependency.
Took 3 week s, before i began feeling better. Long ride, high risk for relapse !
Compared to GHB, DETOX DIY took 3 day s. And i remained functional

DETOX from Alcohol medically they don t understand, so during WD.
Your fed Diazepam, but that doesn t really help as it only cover s GABA-a.
Not GABA-b Alcohol acts on, or one of the other neuro-system s it effect s.

So you are essentially only sedated going through Alcohol WDs.
GHB/ Xyrem, Clonidine, ChloMethiazole or Baclofen.
Not even used, but could be in-patient alternatives,
excepting Clonidine if you have existing low blood-pressure.

Benzo addiction must be equally bad, life threatening.
Don t wanna experience it. Benzo s are dull, depressing.
So getting addicted would be like punching yourself in the face.
And goes more sneaky i guess.

edit: one plus they can be tapered.

 

[just a coker 01]

I am glad i am drunk on rum , because i didnt understand a word of that post

 

[Esperighanto]

Alcohol is Poison, but the Euphoric one. Excepting Temazepam.
Which ime was better not dirty and no hangover.
And Alcohol is fiending, one drink hardly possible. Avoid !

Both are super addicting, experienced Alcohol 2 times physical dependency.
Took 3 week s, before i began feeling better. Long ride, high risk for relapse !
Compared to GHB, DETOX DIY took 3 day s. And i remained functional

DETOX from Alcohol medically they don t understand, so during WD.
Your fed Diazepam, but that doesn t really help as it only cover s GABA-a.
Not GABA-b Alcohol acts on, or one of the other neuro-system s it effect s.

So you are essentially only sedated going through Alcohol WDs.
GHB/ Xyrem, Clonidine, ChloMethiazole or Baclofen.
Not even used, but could be in-patient alternatives,
excepting Clonidine if you have existing low blood-pressure.

Benzo addiction must be equally bad, life threatening.
Don t wanna experience it. Benzo s are dull, depressing.
So getting addicted would be like punching yourself in the face.
And goes more sneaky i guess.

edit: one plus they can be tapered.

I find this super interesting, to me alcohol is almost exclusively dysphoric whereas benzos and GHB are almost exclusively euphoric. Also wanted to mention that GHB and clomethiazole have a very narrow therapeutic index, the differences between feeling it and dying from it are very small amounts as far as dose goes.