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We all know it, since we're members of this forum and that probably means we're open to the world of drugs.
We're also open to the actual facts about drugs.

Alcohol is the most socially accepted drug there is, even though it's one of the most dangerous ones.
To me the extent to which it is accepted has just become clear.
I am currently building up a tolerance on purpose, because I really couldn't handle alcohol and am going on a vacation full of it soon.
The choice of doing this isn't risk free, but I'm willing to take that risk based on the facts and my personal experience.

Other people are ignorant, during my tolerance building, I've discovered that all coming home completely hammered, alone and not even able to pick my bike up, which I threw over when trying to lock it had as punishment was a worried mother.
Nothing else, she was worried, not even mad.
The worried part is already over, because that was just that night and a little bit the day after.

If I were to come home stoned, she'd accept it, I guess, because she knows I smoke.
But if she would know I would be high on MDMA, even a regular dose, I would be placed into a detox, I think.
I say I think and I haven't actually experienced that, but I've seen her react to documentaries and news articles.
The reaction is full of disbelief that people would even put that stuff in their body! That, while she's drinking her second glass of wine on a monday.

How is your experience on this topic and what could we as drug using and self-informing society do to make it a discussable topic?
 
The psychoactive drug known as ethanol hit my life like a freight train, man...it was a pretty brief addiction but it was intense, way more intense than any other substance I've grappled with. It definitely is one of the harder drugs out there IMO...and, as one person I know put it, "with alcohol, ANYTHING CAN HAPPEN." It's so true. You can go out for a leisurely night on the town and wake up in a car trunk in Canada or something
 
Alcohol is woven into the fabric of society. The social and economic fabric. Plus, it's virtually impossible to control; [probably] any fruit or vegetable can be fermented!
 
I don't get druggies (not you in particular guys, you got points) who bash alcohol constantly and always talk about how it is safer to shoot up heroin in perfect conditions: ("fine, just shoot up dude"), in france the "filtre toupie" is the best, I don't shoot but many of my friends do and they always have to complain that I'm getting "pissed drunk legally when they got the cops after them when I drink a couple of beer (I almost never do alcohol anymore, maybe get drunk once every 2 months in average), I had my period in High School and beginning of College like everyone, but I grew out of it somehow, unlike weed) in front of them after a joint

Is it jalousie? :D Kidding guys, opiate lover here, but some of you guys are often annoying when it gets bad, on bluelight and IRL
Not to be taken as an offence.
Fuz
 
To me, anti drugs people who support alcohol are annoying.
It honestly already annoys me when people say "Alcohol or drugs"

Then again, weed fanatics also annoy me, with their horrible arguments...
"It's just a plant" or heb, some say, it's all natural.
Sure it is, but that doesn't mean it's safe and healthy.
Sure, you can't OD on it, but that doesn't mean there's no brain damage.

Okay, I'm going off-topic here...

I think they should raise awareness on the dangers and damage of alcohol.
Also naming it a hard drug.
Just put it on the bottle, as they put "Smoking kills" on cigarettes.
 
The big advantage of Alcohol is that it can be labeled as a treat. All these whisky & wine gourmets dont empty bottle after bottle because they want to get high. They do it just for the taste!
 
As do i with weed/hash. I love the taste and it excites me to try different strains.

Anyway most people wont understand that its possible to consume these kind of substances just for pleasure. Nobody is gona argue about the purpose of a wine degustation even when everbody is drunk as sh** afterwards. I think thats where the difference is. I really like the taste of beer but honestly i dont drink it solely for the taste. As with weed/hash I really enjoy smoking it, but i wouldnt do it, if it wouldnt get me high.

Its so easy with Alcohol to deceive one self with the just for the taste blabla.
 
rujex said:
The big advantage of Alcohol is that it can be labeled as a treat. All these whisky & wine gourmets dont empty bottle after bottle because they want to get high. They do it just for the taste!
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For what it's worth you don't often find a aficionado of anything indulging like that. May drink to mild intoxication some times but if I'm gonna have a glass of Glenfarclas 40, I'm gonna savor every moment of it. If I'm gonna smoke a Padron Family Reserve 45 maduro, I'm gonna take my time and enjoy every puff. I've used as many drugs as anyone here, and I still have the sense to know that no one really uses other drugs in the same way. Cannabis connoisseurs come closest, I suppose, a fair argument could be made for equating them, though I don't know anyone savoring the taste of cannabis smoke the way I'd enjoy a Padron serie 1926 that I've aged for seven years.

I would like to see someone in one of these legal marijuana states come up with a cannabis cigar, leaf and bud blended neatly in a well rolled cigar, carefully blended for perfect taste and desired intoxication type. Make good use of the leaf and vary the bud content to control strength, the same way ligero content is used in cigars. Leaf carefully cured and properly aged. I wonder what region would produce the best tasting cannabis. High altitude? Low? Sun? Shade? I might start smoking cannabis again if someone offered me such a thing. Though cigars aren't usually inhaled, so I suppose that this hypothetical cannabis cigar would probably be dominated by smaller diameter vitolas, unlike cigars where big gauges dominate (unlike needles and guns and many other things, larger gauges are larger diameters in cigars, ie, 54g>45g).
 
I honestly don't drink alcohol for the taste, nobody likes the taste of alcohol.
You wouldn't be drinking your shitload expensive whisky if it didn't contain alcohol.
I sometimes drink beer for the taste, I've had whisky for the taste, but those things are only under special circumstances.
Usually you just drink for the effect.
I started smoking for the taste, then I smoked for the effect later on (and smoked daily, until I quit recently)
When you're honest to yourself about doing it for the effect, I think it's easier to set up ground rules which you should live by to not get addicted.
That's my opinion.
 
Hammilton said:
For what it's worth you don't often find a aficionado of anything indulging like that. May drink to mild intoxication some times but if I'm gonna have a glass of Glenfarclas 40, I'm gonna savor every moment of it. If I'm gonna smoke a Padron Family Reserve 45 maduro, I'm gonna take my time and enjoy every puff.
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To some point its in my eyes just a money thing. You respect it because its scarce. I really enjoy some special coffees like blue mountain. But mostly because they are special for me. If i would have the money that i could afford it regulary, it would be just my daily drug that makes me coming out of bed.
 
Its legality and long history of use, ergo society (most of em) is normalized to its bad side and don't give a shit.
 
RedLeader said:
Alcohol is not a drug because it's legal. And it's legal because it's not a drug. Is it that difficult to understand?
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It's easy to understand if you're comfortable with 1984 doublespeak.

Of course alcohol is a drug. "Drug" is difficult to define accurately but its scope certainly includes alcohol.
 
rujex said:
To some point its in my eyes just a money thing. You respect it because its scarce. I really enjoy some special coffees like blue mountain. But mostly because they are special for me. If i would have the money that i could afford it regulary, it would be just my daily drug that makes me coming out of bed.
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Sure, I could smoke aged Padron's all day if I really wanted, but I don't because they're special and need to be treated as such. Even if you were able to have the best coffee every day, I doubt you would, when you value something like that, you don't abuse it. You have to take the time to savor it, to pick out flavor notes. I don't smoke cigars that often because when I do I always take the time to really soak up those things. You do need to do it with at least some frequency, I've noticed because failing to do so dulls your palate (though not so much as over-indulging, I've noticed).
 
LearntYoung said:
I honestly don't drink alcohol for the taste, nobody likes the taste of alcohol.
You wouldn't be drinking your shitload expensive whisky if it didn't contain alcohol.
I sometimes drink beer for the taste, I've had whisky for the taste, but those things are only under special circumstances.
Usually you just drink for the effect.
I started smoking for the taste, then I smoked for the effect later on (and smoked daily, until I quit recently)
When you're honest to yourself about doing it for the effect, I think it's easier to set up ground rules which you should live by to not get addicted.
That's my opinion.
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I disagree, a bit. If whiskey weren't psychotropic it would still be consumed, just as decaffeinated coffee and non-alcoholic beers are. A bit harder to make non alcoholic whiskey when that's 40+ percent of the volume, but if it were it would still be consumed. I never ever drink to get drunk. Haven't in many years. When I drink its one glass and it's taken slowly. No one drinks a 'shitload' of expensive whiskey (well, few do, perhaps some rich alcoholics) it's savored.
 
I'm not talking about getting drunk, just the effects of stress relief is already an effect.
Though you do have a point with the coffee and beer, touché on those.
 
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