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alcohol greatly increases 2c-b effects. How about other psychs?

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meloen1

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For a normal trip, I normally need about 25mg of 2c-b, and for a strong visual, sense enhancing trip, 30mg will do. On 20mg for example I only have slight visuals, like patterns and a little warping.
However, I have noticed that when I do 2c-b drunk (like 1 bottle of wine and 8 beers, i do have high alcohol tolerance), it all gets extremely intense, including some mindfucks wich 2c-b normally lacks. 15mg while drunk will give me visuals like on 30mg or more. I once took 20mg drunk, and I experienced extreme visuals and massive time dilation, most intense trip of my life. I think tripping on the couch is much nicer while not under the influence of alcohol, as it a much cleaner high, you can clearly think, and enjoy great music. However I found first drinking quite a lot of alcohol, and then a dose of 2c-b (12-16mg) much nicer than 2c-b alone (25mg) at a club. It is much more euphoric with alcohol in a rave setting, you literally get lost in the music and the body high is amazing. Did any of you guys experience the same, or what are your experiences with this combo. It seems the more drunk, the more mindfucks you get, and the visuals increase.

How is combining alcohol with other psychs, any experience? I am not talking 2-3 drinks, I am talking quite drunk to drunk. I tend to think it would not be a good idea to do other psychedelics on alcohol as you would get massive mindfucks, and a bigger chance of bad trip. However with 2c-b the combination of a lot of alcohol is very nice, but you must really be careful with dose, 20mg on a lot of alcohol gave the strongest trip of my life.
 
I thoroughly agree that alcohol muddies and distorts a trip, even if it is potentiating in a way. Yeah I have combined myself but it felt so devaluing to the psychedelic experience turning the therapeutic qualities into more of a hedonistic question mark. While rapidly losing coherence and control.

Alcohol removes inhibitions and can make you feel more ecstatic but it is like tunnel vision: much else is dampened and not in what I would call a good, healthy and proper way.

At the point that intensity becomes more than the sum of the parts (so synergy) you can also expect unpredictable situations from your lack of control and even a blackout that may come much sooner and cause you to behave uncontrollably for an unknown amount of time. There is absolutely no way of saying what a person might do in such a state and it is against recommendation.

A psychedelic is a catalyst that makes everything clear and open and puts a great boost on your consciousness making you feel like a speeding rocket, adding alcohol is like slowly killing the pilot - you get into the same trouble as with alcohol alone but probably a lot faster. And the point of combining them is somewhat contradictory (although I understand wanting the positive effects from it).
 
Yes I realise the therapeutic qualities of a trip are diminished. But purely recreationally at a rave, I think 2c-b + alcohol is much more euphoric than either alone.
I would never do alcohol during a normal trip. But for a rave, the combo is very euphoric for me, coming close to MDMA but in some other way. I seem to not really get into the flow at a rave with 2c-b alone, although it''s certainly also nice.
But how does alcohol do with LSD or schrooms. I could imagine doing these drunk to have possibly drastic, dangerous consequences, e.g. blackout. 2c-b is much more forgiving here. Any experiences here doing these psychs drunk?
 
hmm, sounds interesting. imho alcohol makes all drugs better and more euphoric. i wonder if 2cb and gbl would work similar way...
 
I've taken many times psychedelics after a night at the pub, but just few times i was really drunk and the results were not good.

Usually when i just drink like 4 or 5 pints of beer in some hours at pub i'm pretty euphoric but not drunk, and often when i get home and i want to trip i just do it because i'm still relatively 'normal', i'm still rational and i can weight stuff without risking to take an overdose.
Talking about 'serious psychedelics', like LSD, DOC or 4-Aco-DMT/Mipt etc, the alcohol didn't change much the effects on me, probably i was just more euphoric than usual but the quality/nature of the trip was nearly the same, i mean if it has to be a spiritual, insightful and deep trip alcohol didn't change that.

When i was really drunk, like 9-10 pints of beer, and i tried anyway to trip with DOC for example i had one of the worst nausea ever experienced, i vomited bile with disgusting smell for 30 mins or more, I thought I would also throw up the gut from how strong reatching were.
Same with LSD and the others, it greatly increased the nausea, even with substances that were nausea free for me.
So in conclusion i won't experiment anymore with psychedelics when i'm really drunk, maybe with most 'safe' substances like LSD or shooms there isn't a big risk to die or to be hospitalized but it just ruin the trip making it far worse physically.
 
In my opinion it very much depends on what you are looking to achieve.

In my experience alcohol increases some effects that psychedelics produce (like the euphoria, sense of being "messed up", the visuals) but decreases others (like the depth of the mental aspects, any anxiety, the amount you remember from the trip afterwards).

Sometimes it can be a good thing while other times it can interfere and contradict the initial reason for tripping.

I personally very much enjoy alcohol combined with psychedelics, it allows me to use some of the darker and more troublesome psychedelics in a more carefree social setting without getting paranoid and anxious, it also makes the visuals brighter and more interesting, and really allows me to drift away and be blown away by the intensity.

That said, there are many trips where alcohol would completely spoil it, as if for example I'm taking a psychedelic primarily for the mental state it induces and nothing else then anything other than the tiniest amount of alcohol will cloud this and reduce what you gain from the experience.

I can't imagine wanting or needing alcohol with 2C-B since 2C-B is already so colourful, vibrant and pleasurable - but with something like 2C-E for example which is often rather neutral, adding a little alcohol goes a long way to making it a thoroughly enjoyable experience.

One thing to note is that while the alcohol combination leads to lesser mental depth and a higher amount of euphoria this does not mean that it is only for hedonistic purposes, I've had a few of my deepest most rewarding experiences under alcohol and psychedelic combinations - it's a different kettle of fish to a normal trip though and is almost like another drug in itself.
 
I love to drink just 1 or 2 beers while on 2cb. I find for some reason it increases my visuals in a very nice way. I would not drink more than 2 beers tho.
 
>but with something like 2C-E for example which is often rather neutral, adding a little alcohol goes a long way to making it a thoroughly enjoyable experience.
yes, a beer or two (or low dose benzos) goes nicely with 2c-e (for me at least), eliminates most bad vibes and even helps a little with the body load

don't know about 2c-b, but with 2c-c it's not nearly as important since bad vibes are highly unlikely
 
I typically drink some with psychedelics, but rarely heavily. Like stated before, it dampens some of the effects I enjoy. That being said I am a bit of a craft beer nerd & delicious ale or stout post peak is absolutely divine IMO. And a beer or two during the comeup can lessen some of the anxiety or general discomfort associated with such transitions, but it's important to keep an eye on consumption because it can be easy to overdo it if you're not paying attention.
 
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