remp810
Greenlighter
Someone I know just inhaled about a half can of generic air duster from a store over the course of an hour. He had taken nitrous oxide a year or so ago, with no single-use adverse effects but didn't realize this can was not that. A couple hours later, someone I know is feeling cardiac "irregularities" such as slight pains in the heart every ten minutes or so. Per the BDD Guidelines, no "urgent reply" threads are allowed, but I wanted to start a thread for people like someone I know who try Air Duster, start feeling very unhealthy, and go online seeking to minimize further harm.
I. To someone who is considering using, the high was a 20-25 second "ringing sound" that, to msomeone I know, basically just reminded them of the feeling you may or may not get when you're in a high-speed/focus conversation, have an important but unrelated side-thought, and try to remember the thought while keeping up with the current topic. Afterward you almost INSTANTLY want more and after one use, you seem to 'yearn' for it as much as with amphetamine comedowns. Gross taste lingers in your mouth and you feel a little stupid for several hours [so far]. Doesn't seem to be worth it at All. [is this a trip report?]
II. The can that was used is thrown away and irretrievable. According to one bluelight post, many Air Dusters have flurochlorocarbons that are very harmful. A psychopharmacology textbook lists some of these possible fluorochlorocarbons as chlorodifluoromethane, dichlorodifluormethane, and dichlorotetrafluoroethane.
A. These are according to offsite forum sources much worse for you than nitrous oxide containers. They are not okay to substitute.
B. Even nitrous oxide has harmful effects after a single use, but flurochlorocarbons are more likely to be fatal.
1. Can a single use of nitrous oxide be fatal?
III. According to the textbook mentioned above, "even a single use [of commonly abused inhalants] can lead to a fatal cardiac arrhythmia," a loss of normal heart rhythm termed sudden death sniffing syndrome.
A. All the reports of death from a single use seem to suggest that death occurred immediately.
1. If you "survive" to read up on the subject, is there any risk of entering cardiac arrest from that point on?
IV. Air duster can lead to sudden cardiac failure, arrhythmia, and possible damage to other internal organs. On the first try. This is from a bluelight post. From the textbook, repeated inhalant use can damage the liver, kidney, and lungs.
V. The brain is particularly susceptible to damage from inhalants.
A. MRIs show "white matter abnormalities" which means the myelin sheaths surrounding nerve cell axons have been damaged. The myelin sheath is the multilayered wrap of concentric glial cells that aid conduction of electrical impulses along the axon with its fatty insulating coating. "in fact, the thicker the myelin, the quicker the conduction." Oligodendroglia, the glial cells that myelinate nerves in the brain and spinal cord, do not provide nerve growth factors when an axon is damaged, as opposed to the Schwann cell type of glial cell that myelinate nerves serving muscles, organs, and glands, and tend to regenerate axons after nerve damage.
B. One study shows damage to chronic inhalers is similar to damages from abusing cocaine, amphetamines, and opiates.
C. Inhalant abusers have performed worse than other drug abusers in studies[according to textbook] that perform neuropsychological tests. Meaning cognitive impairment.
VI. Trying to Detox, and Things to Do or Avoid:
First, how long will chemicals from the Air Duster be in the body (including what is the half-life, or time it takes for 50% of the drug to be left in the blood)?
A. Drinks - When a drug is inhaled, absorption into the blood is very rapid because of the high surface area of your lungs and large amount of blood capillaries, porous blood vessels that allow substances to pass easily into the blood and from there into your body tissues[correction needed?]. From the bloodstream, drugs move to the kidney urine (basically) and differences in pH of body fluids play a role in drug movement(the weak base blood[7.1] goes to the kidney urine [4.5 to 7.5].
1. Orange Juice - Does trying to make your urine more acidic, such as drinking orange juice, move the drug out of the blood faster? If your urine had a pH of 7.5, and cerebrospinal fluid has a pH of 7.3-4, this seems to mean that a high urine pH could allow for drug in the blood[7.1] to pass more easily there. If OJ did move the drug along from blood to other digestive organs by creating a more dramatic difference in body fluid pH, is this good or bad?
2. Water - I think pH of body fluids may be irrelevant. Water [pH 7.0] made someone I know feel better but felt his body was "opening up" to the adverse effects when becoming hydrated. Is this negative feeling likely a placebo effect? Is being hydrated better or worse?
3. Milk - Since the drug shouldn't enter the stomach, I don't think the "coating" action milk seems to have would shield or help. Increased calcium should open up more calcium-gated ion channels in your neurons which would encourage neural activity, which I speculate could compete with any chemical action going on in the brain from inhalation. Thoughts?
4. Sugary stuff - Technically the more fat you have [unused carbs turn into fat] the more chances you have for depot binding, which ties the drug up at inactive sites. However, this delays the drug's metabolism by the liver and is reversible once the concentration of drug in your blood goes down, so while reducing the magnitude of drug effects, it increases duration, which I think would be much worse.
B. Food - I would guess food is irrelevant. Would it be recommended to try foods rich in fiber, or are there any foods that would increase the enzymes that might encourage metabolism of chlorofluorocarbons? I'm a chemistry noob but these are possibly conversation starters.
C. Nicotine - Would harmful effects of smoking make it harder for the lungs to cope with air duster damage? If kept to a minimum, can the calming effect of a cigarette - stress reduction to an addicted smoker- outweigh the increase in blood pressure that would circulate the blood throughout the body faster?
D. Medication - Business calls, and someone I know feels like he needs the adderall prescribed with him to cope with the day's challenges, especially since he feels less mentally alert. Amphetamine are kinda rough on the heart, and tend to increase someone I know's blood pressure and heartrate during use. Is this a serious risk factor after using Air Duster, and if so for how long?
E. Is it better to move around or go to sleep? Exercise is good for you, but a lot of heart attacks can be started by sudden strenuous exercise. If you do go to sleep, would elevating your head be better for you (I've heard this keeps the blood-brain barrier from being overloaded)? I've heard sleeping on your left side or stomach gives you a slightly lower blood pressure while you're sleeping.
I apologize for the length of this post. I will gladly shorten and fix any issues upon moderator's request, comment, or deletion. This is my first post after years of just watching. Thanks so much for your time and thoughts.
Regards,
Verb
I. To someone who is considering using, the high was a 20-25 second "ringing sound" that, to msomeone I know, basically just reminded them of the feeling you may or may not get when you're in a high-speed/focus conversation, have an important but unrelated side-thought, and try to remember the thought while keeping up with the current topic. Afterward you almost INSTANTLY want more and after one use, you seem to 'yearn' for it as much as with amphetamine comedowns. Gross taste lingers in your mouth and you feel a little stupid for several hours [so far]. Doesn't seem to be worth it at All. [is this a trip report?]
II. The can that was used is thrown away and irretrievable. According to one bluelight post, many Air Dusters have flurochlorocarbons that are very harmful. A psychopharmacology textbook lists some of these possible fluorochlorocarbons as chlorodifluoromethane, dichlorodifluormethane, and dichlorotetrafluoroethane.
A. These are according to offsite forum sources much worse for you than nitrous oxide containers. They are not okay to substitute.
B. Even nitrous oxide has harmful effects after a single use, but flurochlorocarbons are more likely to be fatal.
1. Can a single use of nitrous oxide be fatal?
III. According to the textbook mentioned above, "even a single use [of commonly abused inhalants] can lead to a fatal cardiac arrhythmia," a loss of normal heart rhythm termed sudden death sniffing syndrome.
A. All the reports of death from a single use seem to suggest that death occurred immediately.
1. If you "survive" to read up on the subject, is there any risk of entering cardiac arrest from that point on?
IV. Air duster can lead to sudden cardiac failure, arrhythmia, and possible damage to other internal organs. On the first try. This is from a bluelight post. From the textbook, repeated inhalant use can damage the liver, kidney, and lungs.
V. The brain is particularly susceptible to damage from inhalants.
A. MRIs show "white matter abnormalities" which means the myelin sheaths surrounding nerve cell axons have been damaged. The myelin sheath is the multilayered wrap of concentric glial cells that aid conduction of electrical impulses along the axon with its fatty insulating coating. "in fact, the thicker the myelin, the quicker the conduction." Oligodendroglia, the glial cells that myelinate nerves in the brain and spinal cord, do not provide nerve growth factors when an axon is damaged, as opposed to the Schwann cell type of glial cell that myelinate nerves serving muscles, organs, and glands, and tend to regenerate axons after nerve damage.
B. One study shows damage to chronic inhalers is similar to damages from abusing cocaine, amphetamines, and opiates.
C. Inhalant abusers have performed worse than other drug abusers in studies[according to textbook] that perform neuropsychological tests. Meaning cognitive impairment.
VI. Trying to Detox, and Things to Do or Avoid:
First, how long will chemicals from the Air Duster be in the body (including what is the half-life, or time it takes for 50% of the drug to be left in the blood)?
A. Drinks - When a drug is inhaled, absorption into the blood is very rapid because of the high surface area of your lungs and large amount of blood capillaries, porous blood vessels that allow substances to pass easily into the blood and from there into your body tissues[correction needed?]. From the bloodstream, drugs move to the kidney urine (basically) and differences in pH of body fluids play a role in drug movement(the weak base blood[7.1] goes to the kidney urine [4.5 to 7.5].
1. Orange Juice - Does trying to make your urine more acidic, such as drinking orange juice, move the drug out of the blood faster? If your urine had a pH of 7.5, and cerebrospinal fluid has a pH of 7.3-4, this seems to mean that a high urine pH could allow for drug in the blood[7.1] to pass more easily there. If OJ did move the drug along from blood to other digestive organs by creating a more dramatic difference in body fluid pH, is this good or bad?
2. Water - I think pH of body fluids may be irrelevant. Water [pH 7.0] made someone I know feel better but felt his body was "opening up" to the adverse effects when becoming hydrated. Is this negative feeling likely a placebo effect? Is being hydrated better or worse?
3. Milk - Since the drug shouldn't enter the stomach, I don't think the "coating" action milk seems to have would shield or help. Increased calcium should open up more calcium-gated ion channels in your neurons which would encourage neural activity, which I speculate could compete with any chemical action going on in the brain from inhalation. Thoughts?
4. Sugary stuff - Technically the more fat you have [unused carbs turn into fat] the more chances you have for depot binding, which ties the drug up at inactive sites. However, this delays the drug's metabolism by the liver and is reversible once the concentration of drug in your blood goes down, so while reducing the magnitude of drug effects, it increases duration, which I think would be much worse.
B. Food - I would guess food is irrelevant. Would it be recommended to try foods rich in fiber, or are there any foods that would increase the enzymes that might encourage metabolism of chlorofluorocarbons? I'm a chemistry noob but these are possibly conversation starters.
C. Nicotine - Would harmful effects of smoking make it harder for the lungs to cope with air duster damage? If kept to a minimum, can the calming effect of a cigarette - stress reduction to an addicted smoker- outweigh the increase in blood pressure that would circulate the blood throughout the body faster?
D. Medication - Business calls, and someone I know feels like he needs the adderall prescribed with him to cope with the day's challenges, especially since he feels less mentally alert. Amphetamine are kinda rough on the heart, and tend to increase someone I know's blood pressure and heartrate during use. Is this a serious risk factor after using Air Duster, and if so for how long?
E. Is it better to move around or go to sleep? Exercise is good for you, but a lot of heart attacks can be started by sudden strenuous exercise. If you do go to sleep, would elevating your head be better for you (I've heard this keeps the blood-brain barrier from being overloaded)? I've heard sleeping on your left side or stomach gives you a slightly lower blood pressure while you're sleeping.
I apologize for the length of this post. I will gladly shorten and fix any issues upon moderator's request, comment, or deletion. This is my first post after years of just watching. Thanks so much for your time and thoughts.
Regards,
Verb
