advice on first tren run

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Yo.

So I'm coming to the end of my blast I have about 4 weeks to go. Blast was 600 test 300 deca and kicker 40mg Dbol for 6 weeks.
Went from 170-210 bench 95kg - about 145-150ish max. Flat dumbell press about 27-30 x 8 to 57.5 x 8.
Just some stats to show progress.

Which brings me to my next blast plan I'm planning well in advance.

I'm planning on

Some form of oral, havnt decided on a lean bulkier aka sdrol or msten something along those lines OR Dbol/anadrol ect. I'll probably go for either Dbol or Superdrol.

(No time frame decided, probably 14-20 weeks)

250mg test per week probably a blend of some sort long esters.
Tri tren (50mg of each ace enanthate and hex) 450mg per week. (Undecided on wether to shoot 1ml 3 times a week or .5ml 6 times a week, I'll probably start off at 3 shots per week and if I have any issues start dosing x6 per week.
I most likely will not use any orals throughout as I want to experiance the tren alone as the dosage is high enough for a first time tren user imo.

No pct obviously.

The other option is super rip, 50mg each prop ace and mast, though I don't want the high test levels I most likely won't do this.

My questions are -

Which oral do I kick start with? I want that tren look,the recompostition of body type, fat loss, muscle gain and vascularity.

My diet, do I increase calories or decrease them? I hear tren makes much more use of the available macros than any other steroid, making you be able to bulk yet cut down on a deficeit? This is probably my main question. Protein will be high

Is my dosage too high for a first run? Most people start with 350mg or less per week, is 450mg overkill? I would be willing to shoot eod which is equal to 525pw, should I do this or 450mg per week?

Dosages, does anyone have experiance dosing tri tren Mon Wed Friday? If so how were you? Obviously the reccomended consensus is ed, but with the longer esters will they balance out the 50mg ace? I fucking hate pinning quads which is why I ask.

Test dosage is fine isn't it?

How long do I run this cycle?

I know about sides I won't ask about those...

Caber or prami, are they needed? (Gf if you don't mind chime in here.)

I ask so fucking much questions as I have never ran tren, it's something I'm taking very seriously, I know how tren can be for some, I know the sides. What I don't know is very much about the protocol for running tren. I need advice and want to plan this out long before I start the blast. The more info I have the better.

I need advice. Please chime in with any related information.
 
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With Tren, try and get Tren-A if you can (I think Guido mentioned something about Tren-Hex not being made anymore so I'd question your brands legitimacy, or it not being hex)....

Its important with Tren to know what you are getting as far as the ester is concerned...

If you're on Tren-A, Test-Prop', Mast-Prop..... You don't need an oral kick start, you should be at maximal blood concentrations with Acetate within a few days...

Don't take anything that could spike estrogen with Tren... (orals especially)... (don't f*** about mix n matching other compounds on a 1st cycle of Tren)..

Tren-A 50mg ED

Mast-prop' 50mg ED

Test-prop 50mg EOD (or 75mg EOD)

Prami-Caber..??? This is a very contentious subject, personally I'd stay away from D2 agonists.. I'll post up later why, I've an interview in 10 mins n I'm late,,
 
Tren ace is too expensive for me at the moment and I cannot acquire it, I really trust my sources gear I suspect the tri tren will be 100mg e and 50 ace, which I won't complain about.

Unless he gets tren a for cheap I won't be running tren ace as much as I would love to...

Though that super rip I might buy which is 50 of each mast prop and ace, I wanted to keep tren higher than test, I might try to work something like 1ml each day of super rip although every 3rd day alternating the shot with tri tren, the prop and mast shouldn't be too much of an issue eod, I need to sit and plan this out.

5 days a week of super Rip, 2 days of tri tren, this means that I will have 550mg tren, 250mg test and 250mg mast

Something along the lines of

Monday tri tren
Tuesday suqr rip
Wednesday super rip
Thursday super rip
Friday tri tren
Sat Sun super rip.

That will give me 50mg ace every day = 350mg
200 mg of probably tren e per week keeping these bloods stable due to ace ed and long ester twice a week.

The prop and mast have a slightly longer half life than ace so missing them twice a week won't bother me, a lot of people shoot them eod anyway with no issues.

I'm liking the sound of what I have just came up with to be honest it sounds like a fucking fun cycle.
Though there may be issues here I'm not a dressing?

So at the moment my 2 options are

Cycle 1 -
Test e 250mg per week
Tri tren 3x per week = 450mg
No orals as suggested.

The pros of this is it will be about half the price, last longer and involves less pinning.

Cycle 2 -
Monday - tri tren (50mg tren ace, 50mg of tren e and 50 of either hex or more tren e.)
Tuesday - super rip (50mg tren a, 50mg test prop, 50mg mast prop)
Wednesday - super rip
Thursday - super rip
Friday - tri tren
Saturday - super rip
Sunday - super rip
No orals as suggested

All in all - 550mg tren, 250 mg masteron, 250mg prop

Pros - it includes mast, something I have been very interested in running,
It will be explosive, a complete body transformation very quickly,
will kick in within a week,
More stable blood levels of tren

Cons
More expensive
More pinning
Costs more

Sorry about the long post, it was partly for me working everything thing out myself.

The idea of cycle 2 exites me, exites me a lot.
I need feedback on each cycle, wether cycle 2 is a good idea or not. On paper to me (a tren noob don't forget) it looks like a fucking beast of a cycle, something if you guys namely gf Guido and other experianced posters approve of I will seriously look forward to.
I know I'm a mod here, but I'm still learning the trade and will seriously appreciate any feedback on either cycle, particularly cycle 2.

If I do opt for either of the 2 cycles, what duration should I aim for?
Gonna post this to gh15 too and get some feedback.
 
Congrats on the bench increase, that's pretty good :) Did your other lifts also improve that well (just curious, not looking for one that didn't so I could say that it sucks :D )?

With the tren, I'd buy a vial of tren A, use that to figure out how much you can take without bad sides and then switch to tren e (cheaper and less shots) at the same or a bit higher dose (ester weights and all). If you can only get the tri tren it's gonna be a bit harder to find the right dose, and you'll be doing more shots for the entire cycle, but if it's the only thing you can do...

I'd keep the test at 200-300mg per week, whichever ester you like (long for me, but that's just a personal thing) or is the cheapest or whatever.

As for the mast, go ahead if you can afford it and aren't prone to mbp (or don't give a fuck), I'd go to 400mg if possible, but it's not strictly necessary.

Orals... well, not necessary but you can if you want to, I'd take them so that you take the last dose just before pct (which means you start somewhere in the middle).

Don't think you'll need caber or anything similar....

If it were me doing it, I'd take
200mg test e/c pw (whichever is cheaper/in stock), two shots
about 500mg tren e pw, two shots
mast if I could afford it and the e was in stock
as for orals... maybe some drol/dbol at the end (this is more because I'm interested in that final strength bump than because it's a good idea :D )
 
Appreciate your feedback black.
My other lifts have increased roughly 30% each maybe more, though I don't write them down I just remembered my chest as it was the first thing I trained after my injury..

The reason I've opted for the tri tren and the super rip is due to supply reasons, I trust my source, I trust his gear, and he is very cheap with very good shit so I would rather deal with his limited stuff rather than some guy off the internet I don't know.

I pay about half what the internet charges.

So I'm limited to these 2 options for the moment unless his stock changes.

Do you think that cycle 2 would be ok to run? Or any reason why I shouldn't run it?
 
Congrats on all the lifts then, 30% is a nice increase :) (only mentioned the people finding one that didn't improve and then giving ppl shit about it is because it's just annoying when it happens)

I think both would be fine if you're not bothered by that much pinning (and if you're not one of the people that find prop to be very painful). Only reasons that I can see for not running it are:
- test prop is insanely painful for you, happens to some, but I think it's usually with prop only, blends should be fine
- you're prone to mbp, you care about it and mast causes it for you, but 250mg isn't a lot so even if you are sensitive you shouldn't just wake up bald one day, you'll have time to stop
- you react badly to tren, but again it's not a lot of tren, blood levels should be stable with that many injections, low test makes tren problems less likely
I mean I'd do it if I were in your place (except with long esters lol :D if they made tren d I'd like it... and probably an oral at the end but again, that's just me wanting that final strength boost)

Oh... what are your plans regarding e2 control and injection site rotation? Didn't see it mentioned?
 
I was going bald from about the age of about 14 so I just shave my head now days anyway lol.
I don't get pip from anything I've ever injected so shouldn't be an issue.

I won't be using e2 control whatsoever, I dont see the need for any especially with my test dosage at 250mg per week, and I'm hoping mast will help keep everything in check if needs be.

Injection rotation will be glutes, delts and quads (fuck sake I hate quads). Gives me 6 injection sites, the only one of those sites I havnt used yet is my left glute as I can't get my coordination right so I'll get my girlfriend to do it. I might try my pecs out and see how they are instead of quads as I really hate quads.

I am really liking the idea of the super rip cycle.

I've only ever did long esters apart from 35mg prop once in a t350 blend, what duration of a blast should this be? I'm thinking 10-12 weeks?
 
>I won't be using e2 control whatsoever, I dont see the need for any especially with my test dosage at 250mg per week, and I'm hoping mast will help keep everything in check if needs be.
It should be fine, I'd still keep something on hand just in case.... not like it's expensive or hard to get and you can always use it next time.

Pecs are nice imo, try them, you can use both hands, don't have to twist in weird positions and they aren't painful. Hope sticking a needle close to your heart isn't weird for you :)

You mean the duration of this short ester cycle or long estered one?
 
Wouldn't bother me to be honest lol, it just seems like it would be less painful and withh less arterys and veins than calfs or quads... Might try lats also.

The short cycle, I want to do a long short estered cycle, I normally do 15-20 week cycles with long esters, what would the equivilent in a short ester be?
 
Pecs are painless for me, lets hope it's the same for you?

I'm not really sure about that. Imo there's no reason a short ester cycle would have to be shorter than a long estered one. I think the same guidelines apply - as long as blood work is ok, gains are still coming, recovery concerns, money, you know, the standard limits.... Other than you getting annoyed by constant injections. I would guess that gains wise a normal short estered cycle could be a week or two shorter (the time it takes for it to kick in) than an equivalent long estered one.... but if you front load/use short esters/kick start the long estered one for the first few weeks then this comparison probably doesn't really work.
 
I think I'll keep it going fir 12 weeks or buy a 12 week supply and see how it goes, maybe even up the tren at the end for 4 weeks if I feel like I can
You been most helpful black when I don't seem to be getting much more answers thanks
 
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