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ADF's response to my kidney failure question

johnboy

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After reading the Australian Drug Foundation fact sheet on ecstacy, the one that was linked from the 60 Minutes site, i decided to ask them why they listed kidney failure as a common side effect felt by many people. here is their response:
We aim to present the latest and most accurate information available. We
also believe it is best to warn people of possible effects, rather than
make no comment until possible effects have been proven beyond any doubt.
On this basis there is a few things that need to be taken into
consideration about the nature of research. There are many ethical issues
involved in using human studies with illicit substances. It is therefore
common with research involving illicit drugs to extend theories based
animal research to the probable implications for humans. Another source of
information comes from people using illicit substances. Relatively new
substances such as ecstasy are often based in likely long term outcomes
rather than known outcomes. This is simply because in order to identify
long term effects, people need to have been using a substance for many
years, or many years have lapsed since they used in order to gain an
insight into what happens from using a particular illicit substance. Only
now has ecstasy use been occurring long enough for research to be able to
give us clearer indications of the effects of ecstasy use. However, there
is still much to learn about ecstasy and the effects of use both short term
and long term. As evidence evolves or changes, we try to reflex this by
amending our information to be consistent with current research.
We list kidney failure under immediate effects as some people have been
identified as suffering kidney failure due to hyperthermia ( dangerously
high body temperature). Drugs & Drug Abuse 3ed, 1998, pg 341. There are
numerous other articles and books that cover this topic. Our library
database can be searched at www.adf.org.au/library There are also some
great sites to look at such as www.erowid.org
I hope this has been of some help to you
Druginfo
im going to write back and ask a few things. i'm going to ask them why their guy said on tv that nearly all people throw up after taking e. also i might take up the point that their official line is that there is heroin in ecstacy. any one else got any questions?
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.... he who makes a beast of himself, rids himself of the pain of being a man...
[This message has been edited by johnboy (edited 11 May 2000).]
 
I'd like to ask them if their ethical issues against using human's in studies regarding illicit substances outweight the ethical reason's for it.
BLAH, i just put a whole big proposal for a research project and then realised that it's probably been thought of before, so I erased it.
So I'll stick with saying this... SURELY the ethical issues can't be SO bad as to be putting human lives at risk??? I mean lives (or at least the general health and well being of ecstasy users) are certainly risk without conclusive studies... at least we'll know what these risks are and be able to try and prevent them .. blah I dunno..I didn't explain what I meant very well...if anyone catches my drift can you try and help me out here??
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Cheers,
mona.
 
stupid post, sorry
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>>>> mmm, you're right johnboy, sorry 'bout that!
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Mona, you make much more sense than you claim.
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If I'm understanding you correctly, what you're saying is that the potential for lives to be saved (plus improvement of health & well-being) by testing on humans outweighs any ethical issues regarding human testing, because lives are already at risk (through use without knowledge), right? By doing some studies on humans *now* (rather than waiting for a while & seeing what happens) they get the benefits they're seeking & no real extra risk is involved?
I agree.
Is it possible for a research institute (be it government funded or a university or whatever) to put together a proposal whereby they do studies on people who are regular MDMA users? I know that there have been calls for regular users of speed to participate in similar studies, so why not MDMA? There is the issue of dosage to consider, I suppose (plus they'll need to know that the participants are getting MDMA, not this week's latest speed bomb).
hmmm, I suppose there's legal issues to deal with too...
Johnboy, I'd ask them why they aren't more forceful (for want of a better word) in their "warning" against mixing GHB & alcohol (which doesn't seem to stand out as much of a warning).
One positive comment I have about the ADF site: the information seems to be very sombre & not at all sensational. That might just be my interpretation, though.
Cheers,
Ben.
 
lilmonkey: ah yeah thanks for that, stupid posts have there place, maybe just not in this thread ok?
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