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Opioids Adderall making opiods not work due to fast metabolism

This is so true. Addy will outweigh the opiate hands down every damn time unless you are on your stim comedown, only then I get relief or buzz from my oxy, etc.

Don't get me wrong a little "speedball" can work & be fun but is also dangerous. If I ever decide to do this, I usually dose a low amount of amphetamine(5-10mg) and then continue with my opioid dosing.

P.S. -- I DON'T NOR NEVER WILL IV for recreation, so hence for the quotes around speedball because it is not a true speedball, more of a risky cocktail combo if you catch my drift.
i don't quite understand? i take 15mg ir x2 in the morning. it was the only way to get past the "out of stock" issue and I have 30mg ir morphine every 6 hours and a 25mcg fentanyl patch every 3 days.
 
Wiki will tell you a lot but what it comes down to its a partial agonists and a antagonists with other receptors.

So this is where it's trickery happens. Fooling the mu receptors in thinking they getting what they want but not really and that's how it also takes the wds away but it being an opioid doesn't change the fact that it has analgesic effects and in this case strong. Will add more just now but just do a quick search and see what I mean.
i don't understand what you're saying and I'm really sick with a respiratory and a really painful siunitus head cold right now
 
Hey guys, there is no need to be calling people names. We may be drug addicts and thus, "children at heart" in many ways, though this doesn't mean we need to act like that.

There is a well-known, but less-well-known understood mechanism or relationship between Opioid agonists and Central Nervous System stimulants. We are discussing Amphetamines here which is apt, as they are legal and thus much more studied and understood than Cocaine for instance.

What is pain anyway? What does it mean to "eliminate" pain? If a person is still functionally, physically fucked up but not experiencing pain, are they actually in pain? The truth is that we know as much about this concept of pain than we do about concepts like Love. We all apparently understand and can easily describe the experience of pain, right? Can mental anguish, seemingly lacking external, physical stimuli cause a person to feel "physical pain", the answer is yes.

Is pain less painful if you're sitting in a room with not stimuli as opposed to doing something you enjoy like maybe playing video games for instance? While there is no truly scientific way of measuring such a phenomenon, most people will tell you that pain, both physical and mental can be lessened by outside stimuli. So what the hell does that mean?

I'll be back in a few minutes to continue my rambling. Stop calling people Ho's. You're only revealing your age.
thank you, but please come back and explain. i hurt so much that getting up and down from a recliner is painful. i can be sitting and all of a sudden get a sharp stabbing pain out of no where. driving or as i can it passangering and hit a bump or pot hole and it sends a sudden painful shot through my lower back. so i don't know what your talking about. yes i spend all day on tic tok because it distracts my pain...A LITTLE BIT, but i still feel the pain.....A LOT
 
i don't understand what you're saying and I'm really sick with a respiratory and a really painful siunitus head cold right now
This was about the bupre, still being a painkiller ( strong at that ) though it doesn't make you high, in short and sweet
 
And a few brief minutes becomes a few days. I apologize for the time dilation.

So we know pain can take on many different forms. We know that pain is this abstract concept. As I stated about "love", pain is also a concept that denies any real verbal definition yet we don't need one, as we all know first-hand exactly what it is, even if we can't explain in. Pain can be physical. Pain can be psychological. We know that through the psychosomatic loop, these two interact with and influence one another constantly.

I'm obviously not a doctor or a scientist. I think I know enough about the basics to discuss this without making a fool of myself.

I used the analogy of a person in pain, let's just call it physical pain for this example. Anything "pleasurable", that is, that releases Dopamine and other pleasurable neurotransmitters has the ability to reduce our subjective feelings of pain. A person who is able to watch their favorite movie, listen to music that inspires them or who is among people who care about them are going to report lower subjective levels of pain. My understanding is that this process is largely the release of the neurotransmitter Dopamine, the "pleasure chemical" as they say.

I think when people start discussing Opioids as "painkillers" and especially after studying their effects, it's easy to assume that Opioids are the alpha and omega of pain relief. They are definitely the gold standard/true north when it comes to the relief of both physical and mental pain. Opioids like Morphine mimic the same chemicals in our bodies that are released in response to pain/stress.

Amphetamines, in doses that could be considered "therapeutic", are known to make previously boring, uninteresting topics seem more appealing or exciting. Amphetamines are like those distractions I talked about earlier, but in a much more pronounced way. Amphetamines raise Dopamine and other neurotransmitters and this is often experienced as life suddenly becoming more interesting. Hell, doing my taxes might even be fun; as a matter of fact, I'm going to learn a little bit about tax laws, their history and why they are so important! Man, after learning about the history of taxes and the IRS, I found a new appreciation for something that once seemed so tedious. That is my experience.

There is the saying "mind over matter". It's my honest belief that a person can conquer any stress, pain or discomfort with a strong mind. I believe Amphetamines inspire confidence and their well-documented euphoric effects make a person more able to make that "mind over matter" statement with true confidence. If a person is weak-minded, pain can easily consume them, isolate them, make them give up hope and when the hope is given up, the pain fully consumes a person, bringing their life to a new low of misery.

Have you all heard the story of the Finnish soldier during WW2? It's pretty famous at this point, with multiple youtube videos telling the story. Well, he was by himself. in the snow, dying; freezing to death slowly. He was done. The pain had consumed him. Sure, he probably could've saved himself with a Herculean effort, but he has lost the will to do it. He remembers he has Methamphetamine tablets in in his kit as supplied by the German Military. I believe he was carrying his whole unit's supply or something like that. Well, he was basically numb so without any dexterity, all he could do was dump all these pills in his hand then into his mouth. So he took the whole unit's supply at once with no prior experience with the drug.

He describes the feeling of knowing he was going to die and accepting it. A few minutes after taking the pills, he describes life returning to his body. He pulled himself out of the snow, put his skis on and ended up skiing for several days straight, skiing straight through a Soviet camp and to the Finnish lines. Amphetamines took a man who was fully ready to die, got him up without food or water and enabled him to ski and ultramarathon back to his friendlies.

As I started with this post, pain is a phenomenon that lacks proper definition, yet we all can understand it plainly. If you want to call this experience with the Finnish soldier an act of "painkilling", then I would be hesitant to call you wrong. However, at the end of the day, Amphetamine can reduce the perception of pain in higher doses, yet this is only a sideshow to what the drug is really about which is stimulating the body and mind. In the process, a person can be distracted and even relieved of their pain through the release of Dopamine, but Opioids will always be the true painkillers as they are mirror images of mother nature's painkilling chemicals.

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As stated above, it's pretty apparent that Amphetamines' effect on a person's subjective experience of pain is due to the release of Dopamine and to a lesser extent, other neurotansmitters like Serotonin and Norepinephrine. If you want to call this analgesia, I suppose you could. The psychosomatic nature of these phenomena pretty much make anything possible, right?

Speaking more about these other neurotransmitters I feel is important. You see, some people say that Central Nervous System Stimulants like Amphetamine "boost" the analgesia they experience from their Opioid alone. This tracks pretty well with what we've covered so far. However, there are others who say Amphetamine actually makes their pain worse in conjunction with their Opioid.

Could it be possible that the Amphetamine is producing anxiety? Is it possible that the increased level of focus produced by the Amphetamine in fact causes a person to zero in and focus incessantly on their pain just as a person would doing those taxes I was talking about earlier. I've heard descriptions from folks in this exact position whom I feel are experiencing this sensation. The Opioid, the relaxation and sedation perhaps were causing this person to be less present mentally and physically. Perhaps the Amphetamine is taking them out of their trance and forcing them to focus on their pain?

I'm just throwing some possible scenarios out at you guys. This isn't the first time I've discussed this issue and it's certainly not the first time I've ever pondered it.

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It's my understanding that this proposed phenomenon is not really founded in evidence. I think this is more the result of people making their own assumptions based upon their own understanding of these drugs. An Amphetamine increases the heart rate, speeds up the bowels... it stimulates; makes things go faster. Does this "speeding up" in turn make everything about a person speed up?

I understand the logic, though it is my understanding that this is not something that actually occurs. If you're wondering how these two groups of substances might interact with each other, I encourage you to keep your thinking abstract. There is of course research, but at the end of the day, like we've already discussed, pain is not a phenomenon with any kind of standard definition, so to answer the question using something like the scientific method gets really hairy quick, bordering on the impossible.
 
the taxes comment was so funny. I'm at the end of my rope I'm exhausted and done but even thought I am the Adderall will help me get up and get out of bed. hey i might even eat something.... or try to read this long ass comment when normally i would not. but even then my pain has chased off friends and 2 very nice wonderful doctors. it's tiring and unrelenting and all i want is a day where i can get up and say i feel great. little man let's go everywhere you want to go because you should not be isolating on this computer all day because no one does anything with you. 😭😭😭😭

i will try to finish reading your post when i can😥but i can't do it all in one setting
 
And a few brief minutes becomes a few days. I apologize for the time dilation.

So we know pain can take on many different forms. We know that pain is this abstract concept. As I stated about "love", pain is also a concept that denies any real verbal definition yet we don't need one, as we all know first-hand exactly what it is, even if we can't explain in. Pain can be physical. Pain can be psychological. We know that through the psychosomatic loop, these two interact with and influence one another constantly.

I'm obviously not a doctor or a scientist. I think I know enough about the basics to discuss this without making a fool of myself.

I used the analogy of a person in pain, let's just call it physical pain for this example. Anything "pleasurable", that is, that releases Dopamine and other pleasurable neurotransmitters has the ability to reduce our subjective feelings of pain. A person who is able to watch their favorite movie, listen to music that inspires them or who is among people who care about them are going to report lower subjective levels of pain. My understanding is that this process is largely the release of the neurotransmitter Dopamine, the "pleasure chemical" as they say.

I think when people start discussing Opioids as "painkillers" and especially after studying their effects, it's easy to assume that Opioids are the alpha and omega of pain relief. They are definitely the gold standard/true north when it comes to the relief of both physical and mental pain. Opioids like Morphine mimic the same chemicals in our bodies that are released in response to pain/stress.

Amphetamines, in doses that could be considered "therapeutic", are known to make previously boring, uninteresting topics seem more appealing or exciting. Amphetamines are like those distractions I talked about earlier, but in a much more pronounced way. Amphetamines raise Dopamine and other neurotransmitters and this is often experienced as life suddenly becoming more interesting. Hell, doing my taxes might even be fun; as a matter of fact, I'm going to learn a little bit about tax laws, their history and why they are so important! Man, after learning about the history of taxes and the IRS, I found a new appreciation for something that once seemed so tedious. That is my experience.

There is the saying "mind over matter". It's my honest belief that a person can conquer any stress, pain or discomfort with a strong mind. I believe Amphetamines inspire confidence and their well-documented euphoric effects make a person more able to make that "mind over matter" statement with true confidence. If a person is weak-minded, pain can easily consume them, isolate them, make them give up hope and when the hope is given up, the pain fully consumes a person, bringing their life to a new low of misery.

Have you all heard the story of the Finnish soldier during WW2? It's pretty famous at this point, with multiple youtube videos telling the story. Well, he was by himself. in the snow, dying; freezing to death slowly. He was done. The pain had consumed him. Sure, he probably could've saved himself with a Herculean effort, but he has lost the will to do it. He remembers he has Methamphetamine tablets in in his kit as supplied by the German Military. I believe he was carrying his whole unit's supply or something like that. Well, he was basically numb so without any dexterity, all he could do was dump all these pills in his hand then into his mouth. So he took the whole unit's supply at once with no prior experience with the drug.

He describes the feeling of knowing he was going to die and accepting it. A few minutes after taking the pills, he describes life returning to his body. He pulled himself out of the snow, put his skis on and ended up skiing for several days straight, skiing straight through a Soviet camp and to the Finnish lines. Amphetamines took a man who was fully ready to die, got him up without food or water and enabled him to ski and ultramarathon back to his friendlies.

As I started with this post, pain is a phenomenon that lacks proper definition, yet we all can understand it plainly. If you want to call this experience with the Finnish soldier an act of "painkilling", then I would be hesitant to call you wrong. However, at the end of the day, Amphetamine can reduce the perception of pain in higher doses, yet this is only a sideshow to what the drug is really about which is stimulating the body and mind. In the process, a person can be distracted and even relieved of their pain through the release of Dopamine, but Opioids will always be the true painkillers as they are mirror images of mother nature's painkilling chemicals.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------The Pharmacology-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

As stated above, it's pretty apparent that Amphetamines' effect on a person's subjective experience of pain is due to the release of Dopamine and to a lesser extent, other neurotansmitters like Serotonin and Norepinephrine. If you want to call this analgesia, I suppose you could. The psychosomatic nature of these phenomena pretty much make anything possible, right?

Speaking more about these other neurotransmitters I feel is important. You see, some people say that Central Nervous System Stimulants like Amphetamine "boost" the analgesia they experience from their Opioid alone. This tracks pretty well with what we've covered so far. However, there are others who say Amphetamine actually makes their pain worse in conjunction with their Opioid.

Could it be possible that the Amphetamine is producing anxiety? Is it possible that the increased level of focus produced by the Amphetamine in fact causes a person to zero in and focus incessantly on their pain just as a person would doing those taxes I was talking about earlier. I've heard descriptions from folks in this exact position whom I feel are experiencing this sensation. The Opioid, the relaxation and sedation perhaps were causing this person to be less present mentally and physically. Perhaps the Amphetamine is taking them out of their trance and forcing them to focus on their pain?

I'm just throwing some possible scenarios out at you guys. This isn't the first time I've discussed this issue and it's certainly not the first time I've ever pondered it.

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It's my understanding that this proposed phenomenon is not really founded in evidence. I think this is more the result of people making their own assumptions based upon their own understanding of these drugs. An Amphetamine increases the heart rate, speeds up the bowels... it stimulates; makes things go faster. Does this "speeding up" in turn make everything about a person speed up?

I understand the logic, though it is my understanding that this is not something that actually occurs. If you're wondering how these two groups of substances might interact with each other, I encourage you to keep your thinking abstract. There is of course research, but at the end of the day, like we've already discussed, pain is not a phenomenon with any kind of standard definition, so to answer the question using something like the scientific method gets really hairy quick, bordering on the impossible.
I don't know the story about the soldier and the amphetamines
 
And a few brief minutes becomes a few days. I apologize for the time dilation.

So we know pain can take on many different forms. We know that pain is this abstract concept. As I stated about "love", pain is also a concept that denies any real verbal definition yet we don't need one, as we all know first-hand exactly what it is, even if we can't explain in. Pain can be physical. Pain can be psychological. We know that through the psychosomatic loop, these two interact with and influence one another constantly.

I'm obviously not a doctor or a scientist. I think I know enough about the basics to discuss this without making a fool of myself.

I used the analogy of a person in pain, let's just call it physical pain for this example. Anything "pleasurable", that is, that releases Dopamine and other pleasurable neurotransmitters has the ability to reduce our subjective feelings of pain. A person who is able to watch their favorite movie, listen to music that inspires them or who is among people who care about them are going to report lower subjective levels of pain. My understanding is that this process is largely the release of the neurotransmitter Dopamine, the "pleasure chemical" as they say.

I think when people start discussing Opioids as "painkillers" and especially after studying their effects, it's easy to assume that Opioids are the alpha and omega of pain relief. They are definitely the gold standard/true north when it comes to the relief of both physical and mental pain. Opioids like Morphine mimic the same chemicals in our bodies that are released in response to pain/stress.

Amphetamines, in doses that could be considered "therapeutic", are known to make previously boring, uninteresting topics seem more appealing or exciting. Amphetamines are like those distractions I talked about earlier, but in a much more pronounced way. Amphetamines raise Dopamine and other neurotransmitters and this is often experienced as life suddenly becoming more interesting. Hell, doing my taxes might even be fun; as a matter of fact, I'm going to learn a little bit about tax laws, their history and why they are so important! Man, after learning about the history of taxes and the IRS, I found a new appreciation for something that once seemed so tedious. That is my experience.

There is the saying "mind over matter". It's my honest belief that a person can conquer any stress, pain or discomfort with a strong mind. I believe Amphetamines inspire confidence and their well-documented euphoric effects make a person more able to make that "mind over matter" statement with true confidence. If a person is weak-minded, pain can easily consume them, isolate them, make them give up hope and when the hope is given up, the pain fully consumes a person, bringing their life to a new low of misery.

Have you all heard the story of the Finnish soldier during WW2? It's pretty famous at this point, with multiple youtube videos telling the story. Well, he was by himself. in the snow, dying; freezing to death slowly. He was done. The pain had consumed him. Sure, he probably could've saved himself with a Herculean effort, but he has lost the will to do it. He remembers he has Methamphetamine tablets in in his kit as supplied by the German Military. I believe he was carrying his whole unit's supply or something like that. Well, he was basically numb so without any dexterity, all he could do was dump all these pills in his hand then into his mouth. So he took the whole unit's supply at once with no prior experience with the drug.

He describes the feeling of knowing he was going to die and accepting it. A few minutes after taking the pills, he describes life returning to his body. He pulled himself out of the snow, put his skis on and ended up skiing for several days straight, skiing straight through a Soviet camp and to the Finnish lines. Amphetamines took a man who was fully ready to die, got him up without food or water and enabled him to ski and ultramarathon back to his friendlies.

As I started with this post, pain is a phenomenon that lacks proper definition, yet we all can understand it plainly. If you want to call this experience with the Finnish soldier an act of "painkilling", then I would be hesitant to call you wrong. However, at the end of the day,

**********Amphetamine can reduce the perception of pain*********i agree but higher doses not necessarily needed... it makes me get up and move past my pain..... a bit.... no anxiety though
i didn't know how else to target parts of your comment.

in higher doses, yet this is only a sideshow to what the drug is really about which is stimulating the body and mind. In the process, a person can be distracted and even relieved of their pain through the release of Dopamine, but Opioids will always be the true painkillers as they are mirror images of mother nature's painkilling chemicals.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------The Pharmacology-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

As stated above, it's pretty apparent that Amphetamines' effect on a person's subjective experience of pain is due to the release of Dopamine and to a lesser extent, other neurotansmitters like Serotonin and Norepinephrine.

If you want to call this analgesia, I suppose you could...... yes a bit
and here
The psychosomatic nature of these phenomena pretty much make anything possible, right?

Speaking more about these other neurotransmitters I feel is important. You see, some people say that Central Nervous System Stimulants like Amphetamine "boost" the analgesia they experience from their Opioid alone. This tracks pretty well with what we've covered so far. However, there are

others who say Amphetamine actually makes their pain worse in conjunction with their Opioid. ********i disagree here******


Could it be possible that the Amphetamine is producing anxiety? *****no not for me

Is it possible that the increased level of focus produced by the Amphetamine in fact causes a person to zero in and focus incessantly on their pain just as a person would doing those taxes I was talking about earlier. I've heard descriptions from folks in this exact position whom I feel are experiencing this sensation. The Opioid, the relaxation and sedation perhaps were causing this person to be less present mentally and physically. Perhaps the Amphetamine is taking them out of their trance and forcing them to focus on their pain?

I'm just throwing some possible scenarios out at you guys.


This isn't the first time I've discussed this issue and it's certainly not the first time I've ever pondered it.****i must be on the right track somewhere to not be the first****

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It's my understanding that this proposed phenomenon is not really founded in evidence.

I think this is more the result of people making their own assumptions based upon their own understanding of these drugs. An Amphetamine increases the heart rate, speeds up the bowels... it stimulates; makes things go faster. Does this "speeding up" in turn make everything about a person speed up?
******if i don't have some kind of food in my stomach my intestines feel like they are in fast-forward
I understand the logic, though it is my understanding that this is not something that actually occurs.

If you're wondering how these two groups of substances might interact with each other, I encourage you to keep your thinking abstract. ****i agree


There is of course research, *****************Finding research like this on the internet is so weird and convulted with other stuff that no matter what you type Google will not understand what you're trying to ask..... hence the reason i came to y'all. thank you


but at the end of the day, like we've already discussed, pain is not a phenomenon with any kind of standard definition, so to answer the question using something like the scientific method gets really hairy quick,

bordering on the impossible.... YEP
Thanks
Stephanie
 
Hey @Stephy first off, here is a clip regarding our Finnish friend:



It may seem random, but it's not. If we're talking about the analgesic effects of Amphetamines, this is a great example of their potential. I don't want to speak for the guy. It seems he was already in the "acceptance" stage of his own death, laying in the snow ready to freeze. He took a large dose of Methamphetamine. Not only did he survive, but he got up and skied for miles with his equipment on, fought with enemy soldiers and made it back to his own lines in the process.

I think the best way of summing this whole thing up is that pain is a more fluid concept than we usually take it to be. We have pain and we have Opiates which are stated to be the antithesis, the antidote to pain. Maybe that is accurate. However, if we're talking about the relief of suffering, misery, pain (psychological/physical) we have to admit that there are a thousand different ways to relieve these symptoms.
 
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