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Acacia confusa (tryptamine-rich root bark, orally active without MAOI)

mindb0dy

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Just posting a very quick note on my bioassay of this Taiwanese acacia.

There are reports of DMT content in the root bark comparable or higher than Mimosa, and I've stumbled on this online description of using it in ayahuasca. So, on my recent trip to Taiwan, I obtained a large sample of the root bark. I must mention before describing my trial that I've never succeeded attaining full psychedelia with mimosa-caapi ayahuasca (made from ingredients purchased in Europe), so what I am about to describe is my first full-scale DMT(-like) experience.

Anyway, because the plant has not been researched much, I wanted to test my material without MAOI first to watch for any non-DMT-related adverse effects, without any expectations for psychoactivity. So I brewed a handful of my root bark chips (ground to around 5tbsp of fibrous powder) ayahuasca-style without any additives.

I first consumed about 1/3 of the brew on an empty stomach this morning. There was some nausea, so I lied down. In about an hour, I noticed to my surprise that colors brightened, everything started to look cuter, mild euphoria emerged and the nausea was gone: a typical low-dose tryptamine signature. So, because it felt pretty comfortable, I decided to take the risk and drink the rest of the brew. About 20 minutes later, it hit me like a wall, and it was pretty horrifying (with synesthesia going beyond what words can describe, visions, perceptual distortions of all sorts, thoughts that I have killed myself, limb tremor and impaired motor control). However, the whole thing lasted about 40 minutes and then stopped quite abruptly (and I am actually feeling perfectly well now). This was my first DMT experience (which I believe it has been, because the duration and intensity do match the DMT profile), and it was certainly far less kind to me than psilocybin. In any case, with due care, the plant can probably be used to people's benefit, and it is certainly active orally without additives (at least for my body chemistry; related Mimosa hostilis is also reported to be orally active).

I intend to write a more detailed report for erowid later. And I'll probably do some more experiments, though dosing more conservatively (and I am somewhat scared now of combining it with rue...).

Any comments/advice from ayahuasca shamans and other competent individuals are appreciated! 8)





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Notes on obtaining the plant material:

1) The tree appears to be very common in Taiwan (its local name is 相思樹, which amusingly translates as `thinking-of-each-other tree').

2) The root bark (相思樹根皮) seems to have some very limited use in traditional medicine, externally and perhaps internally for liver disease (the vendors did not seem confident about that).

3) The bark does not seem to be carried by Chinese medicine stores (中藥店), but it is carried by "herbal medicine stores" (草藥店 or 青草店), though not every store would have it, since the demand is low.

4) There is a huge conglomeration of these herbal shops next to Longshan temple (龍山寺) in Taipei. I didn't have a difficulty buying the bark there, but I had to order 1 day in advance, and they gave me raw root (at 150 Taiwan dollars, roughly $5, for 600g). The bark can be easily separated from the fresh root.




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11.05.2010: Direct oral activity of the root bark confirmed with a smaller dose.

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16.05.2010: First acacia-based ayahuasca trial completed. Has been a deep experience, but extremely horrifying during the prolonged entry stage.

The brew:

1) around 1/2 tbsp whole Syrian rue seeds, ground into powder and steeped in 3 washes of boiling water (no cooking, no evaporation);

2) around 3 tbsp ground Acacia confusa root bark, also steeped in 3 washes of boiling water (no cooking, no evaporation); ONLY around 1/2 of the acacia brew was consumed (around 1.5 tbsp of the plant material), resulting in an extremely strong experience.

The rue was consumed first, followed 30 minutes later by around 1/3 of the acacia brew, followed 30 more minutes later by a few more gulps of the acacia brew (overall, around 1/2 of the prepared acacia brew was used).

What ensued was a prolonged horrifying entry phase, which felt like dying many times over, not being sure anymore what being alive, sane or human means, or when this experience started, or when it is going to end. After a lot of suffering, and passing through an exquisitely sensuous erotic episode, this cleared into an extremely blissful state of peace and harmony, which gradually descended into the usual consciousness at around 3.5 hour time mark from the first acacia brew ingestion.

A deep experience I would say, but certainly not one I would repeat often. And all of this with only around 1.5 tbsp of the acacia root bark powder. No idea whether my batch of acacia is unusually potent, or I am unusually sensitive. Also, it's quite harsh on me. As I said, I've never really had a difficult experience with psilocybin, mescaline or LSA (all from natural sources), but these acacia voyages bring a lot of horror, among other things. Please stay safe!
 
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Very interresting thread IMO. It sound like something i'm going to try...

Thanx for sharing :)

//blazR
 
From wiki:

Root bark
N-methyltryptamine :1.43%

N,N-dimethyltryptamine: 1.15%

Stems

N-methyltryptamine, 0.04%

N,N-dimethyltryptamine, 0.01%

Seems to be slightly more potent than M. Hostilis

No thoughts on why it would be active without an maoi. :?
 
No thoughts on why it would be active without an maoi. :?
There is a similar story for mimosa root bark (closely related to acacias): it is claimed to be orally active by itself, but nobody knows why:
http://www.erowid.org/plants/mimosa/mimosa_info2.shtml

All I can do is to attest extremely strong, short-lasting tryptamine intoxication resulting from ingesting the pure acacia brew. Whether it was DMT, or something related, or a combination of a few things, I cannot tell (but I can compare it to psilocybin, which I am well familiar with and which it resembled, though being considerably more intense and harsh).
 
Well I find this interesting to say the least and I'm inspired to do some research on Acacia confusa. Are Acacia species known to produce MAOI properties as well? I didnt notice any mention of MAOIs in the plant's profile.

Strange stuff. I hope someone can shed some light on this.
 
Are Acacia species known to produce MAOI properties as well? I didnt notice any mention of MAOIs in the plant's profile.
Given that a similar situation for Mimosa hostilis has not been clarified after a lot of research, I don't expect to be able to answer these questions without serious chemists.

I'll repeat my acacia experiment after a reasonable safety break (and with a smaller dose: the previous dose was way too strong) to check whether MAO could be accidentally inhibited by something else during my first trial (though I think it's unlikely).

Another oddity: a strong tryptamine intoxication arose from orally ingesting the brew, but only lasted 40 minutes. Would it mean that MAO was repressed in the gut, but not elsewhere in the body? No idea!...
 
definately very interesting.
thanks for bringing it to our attention.

ive heard tje thing about mimosa being orally active without an MAOi but no body ever expounded on the claim so i just figured it was false.

do you have any more info on mimosa being orally active?
 
Well I find this interesting to say the least and I'm inspired to do some research on Acacia confusa. Are Acacia species known to produce MAOI properties as well?


IIRC, Acacia spp. contains betamethylphenethylamine. The only study I could find is here and refers to p-chloro-beta-methylphenethylamine as a MAO-B inhibitor. Since MAO-B is not implicated in tryptamine metabolism (I think?), though, bMPEA looks like a dead end -- but it may also have MAO-A activity when the p-chloro isn't around. It does kinda look like norepinephrine, which is a MAO-A substrate...

Other than that, it's possible the documentation is just plain wrong and Acacia confusa contains some harmaline as well as DMT, which makes it the best tree ever, if you ask me.
 
According to the people over at DMT Nexus, there are three psychoactive materials in MHRB... DMT, something which they call "DMT Oxides", and something they call "Jungle alkaloids", and they present procedures for seperating those from eachother (the standard tek just gets the DMT).

Presumably one of those is responsible for the oral activity of mimosa, and there could be a similar situation with the acacia.
 
do you have any more info on mimosa being orally active?
None beyond what Jonathan Ott says on the erowid page linked above.
I have personally not succeeded inducing full-scale psychedelia even with mimosa-caapi combinations (brewed from materials purchased in Europe).
 
if these Dmt oxides are resposible for the oral activity then why are they unknown and not being sold as RCs? Maybe there is 5meoDMT in the rootbark which is orally active, altho I myself have never tried DMT orally I refuse to believe that at no dose is it orally active until I try it, it lasts alot longer than 5meo and 5meo is, altho thier pharmokinetics maybe different
 
OK, I've repeated my experiment with a smaller dose, and this time it was rather mild (more of a contemplative psychedelic trance with rich mental imagery and complex sensations, but without visual disturbances, not really a `trip'). However, the effect was quite pronounced, so I stay firm in my conviction that the acacia root bark is orally active (and can produce extremely strong, though short, experience, if the dose is large enough).
 
OK, first acacia-based ayahuasca trial completed. Has been a deep experience, but extremely horrifying during the prolonged entry stage.

The brew:

1) around 1/2 tbsp whole Syrian rue seeds, ground into powder and steeped in 3 washes of boiling water (no cooking, no evaporation);

2) around 3 tbsp ground Acacia confusa root bark, also steeped in 3 washes of boiling water (no cooking, no evaporation); ONLY around 1/2 of the acacia brew was consumed (around 1.5 tbsp of the plant material), resulting in an extremely strong experience.

The rue was consumed first, followed 30 minutes later by around 1/3 of the acacia brew, followed 30 more minutes later by a few more gulps of the acacia brew (overall, around 1/2 of the prepared acacia brew was used).

What ensued was a prolonged horrifying entry phase, which felt like dying many times over, not being sure anymore what being alive, sane or human means, or when this experience started, or when it is going to end. After a lot of suffering, and passing through an exquisitely sensuous erotic episode, this cleared into an extremely blissful state of peace and harmony, which gradually descended into the usual consciousness at around 3.5 hour time mark from the first acacia brew ingestion.

A deep experience I would say, but certainly not one I would repeat often. And all of this with only around 1.5 tbsp of the acacia root bark powder. No idea whether my batch of acacia is unusually potent, or I am unusually sensitive. Also, it's quite harsh on me. As I said, I've never really had a difficult experience with psilocybin, mescaline or LSA (all from natural sources), but these acacia voyages bring a lot of horror, among other things. Please stay safe!
 
Does anyone know what the most common Acacia species is? There are shops around I've found that just have "Acacia flower" and "Acacia powder" but without the species listed, or what part of the plant has been powdered. There are tons of acacia species out there, and I'm guessing the ones the stores carry are not DMT-containing, but maybe they are?
 
I am also interested in this. I wonder if anyone else has had experiences with this bark without the horribleness. I've tried Ayahuasca and it never got to that horrible state. Could it just be because the dosage was so high? Thoughts?
 
I'm not buying this, DMT cannot be orally active without a MAOi. Other research on the matter yields very few mentions of oral activity sans MAOi. If it were true, I'm interested.
 
You should definitely find a friend that's willing to try it. There are people that are genetically predisposed to have little to no MAO, so maybe you're one of those?
 
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