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Abnormal MDMA tolerence

])3ath

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on saturday night i had a whole pink heart, the one's everyone was talking about saying how good they were. While i was on the pill i can remember sitting around (at the party) think about how i didnt even feel very much of the roll, i mean i was rolling but i wasnt off my face.

i have taken pills about 6-7 times and always waited at least 4 weeks between rolls, can anyone shed any light on why i dont feel like i am rollin hard. Does anyone else ever take a pill and sit there thinking that they arnt rolling very much at all?
 
yep well it was probably a dud, it happens to me sometimes but hey u get ova it
 
it wasnt a 'dud' though because many of my friends have had the exact same pills and been off their heads
 
Pink hearts were very clean. Sometimes with a good clean MDMA pill you don't even get much of a "come-up" or body high. You know you're up, but there's no "whooosh" or rushes as such. Maybe it was just different to your expectations.
 
Do you mean you don't feel any/every pill the way you think you should or just the one? If it was the once, it maybe a dud/bad pill or just set/setting that you didn't roll as hard as you should.

If it is most/everytime, you may have low levels of the enzyme CYP2D6. Read this thread for some very good info.

A good quote (thanks jakoz) is:

Research is now under way to discover the underlying factors that make different people react to ecstasy in different ways. The way the body metabolises the drug is likely to be crucial. For example, the liver enzyme CYP2D6 that helps break MDMA down is inactive in up to 1 in 10 people of European descent, which could make them especially sensitive to some of the drug's effects.

Confusingly, it might also protect them from others. The complication is that some of MDMA's effects are caused not by the drug but by its breakdown products. Henry's team has preliminary evidence from rats to suggest that one of these, called HMMA, is better than MDMA at provoking the brain to release antidiuretic hormone. If confirmed, it could mean that people who break down MDMA rapidly are more at risk of hyponatraemia. Claire Ainsworth
So an extremely rough test would be, in theory, if youre the type to get incredible mashed every time and have little trouble urinating.
 
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SLM makes a good point, it felt somewhat like this, but it does happen with alot if not all the pill's ive had (i cant remember)
 
Waz: Did you mean an abnormally high level of CYP2D6? As far as that quote you pasted says, low levels of 2D6 make people metabolise MDMA less efficiently, leaving higher levels of MDMA in the system for longer.

BigTrancer :)
 
To change tack slightly but a 'pink heart' situation could happen to you if you only rely on user reports and pill names. Below are two pills, both pink hearts, one (reportedly) testing clear and one testing standard mdxx. If you hear pink hearts are good and go out and get some, you might end up with an adulterated copy rather than the mdma originals unless you also confirm with a tester. This doesnt completely eliminate the risk of getting a copy of a popular pill, but will help in identifying non-mdxx copies. It also highlights the need to pillreports users to state more factual information about the pill to help in identifying copies with details such as size, texture, hardness, imperfections etc.

this pillreport below (user noted tested clear):

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rather than from this report where this different pill seem to be mdma (tested standard mdxx)

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i had pink hearts a few weeks back and they didnt look like either of them but had i really ridgid shaped heart on em they wernt bad but nothing to rave about
 
this has happened to me before... i put it down to having a really large meal beforehand meaning that the drug was broken down and absorbed into my bloodstream slower.... so no rushes... no smacky feeling.
 
I think considering it has only happened once, you can pretty much just write it off as bad luck. Setting, mood, health, lots of factors play a role in your roll :) I have had pills not do much to me while they were pretty good to everyone else, and have been put on my ass by a pill from the exact same batch that i could munch through previously. Unless it starts to happen all the time I wouldn't worry to much about it.
 
^ Yah, I reckon that perhaps the above 2 posts are heading in the right direction - rather than seeking something sinister for a reason why you didn't get a decent roll off the pills your friends were peaking hard off, write it up to an anomaly (maybe due to some nervousness on the night, big meal beforehand, even something as simple as a badly mixed batch of pills where your particular pill just happened to be spuriously weak... a myriad of reasons). If it becomes a trend that you notice happening more often, then it could bear thinking about further.

BigTrancer :)
 
^^^ Yep, shorza I recently found this out myself too. I had only just received my first bottle of 5-htp and thought I would pre-load 24 hours before rolling, and basically found that the pills just didn't quite give me the 'POW' factor, as you said. I guess these are things we learn.
 
I've noticed you said "I remember sitting around thinking...". Do you mean you have to think carefully to 'remember' how you felt on the night? Can you pace through the night in your head, from memory, and remember roughly what you did all night? If there are blank periods - ie you can't remember what happened from 3am til 4am, then the likelyhood is you rolled harder than you realised.

Like Strawberry LoveMuffin said, good quality pure MDMA is very subtle. For inexperienced users, it becomes easy to fall into the wrong frame of mind, where the user consistently wonders 'am I fucked?' or 'I'm not rolling very hard'. To be sure if you're actually rolling or not, concentrate on something else. Try dancing with your eyes closed to music you enjoy, concentrate on the separate sounds, and just move your body in an enjoyable way. Provided you are actually rolling, you'll begin to feel it.

Another way, is just to relax, deep breathe, close your eyes, and think about something or something you love, and try to bring up mental images. There is always a noticeable difference in the way you think when you're on drugs :)
 
If it makes you feel any better, I had true pink hearts my first time recently, watched my bf who is a big boy and fit, get munted off the same amount as me, where as I wasnt getting that much of an affect compared to him. Since then Ive tried others, and had the same issue, I get something, but I know its not everything. I do all those things mentioned, I don't dwell on it, stress about it, i just dance and have fun, but for some reason it just doesnt hit me like it should. Im a small person also, 161cm, my first time i had 3.5 in one night.. I have a tolerance, not sure what or why, but I still get enough of an affect that I enjoy it, but am hoping in the near future something clicks and I get the whole hog! I have a fast metabolism and low bodyfat, but so does my bf and he gets an entirely different effect to me....
 
Did you have any meth or speed before hand? I always find that takes the edge off a pill in a big way.
Or the obvious, you haven't starting taking SSRI's have you?
 
Everybody reacts differently to the drug, it is quite possible that you just need much more of it than others to receive desired effects. I have a friend who would be around 5ft, and she's tiny. Yet she eats more pills than nearly everyone else in our group. She's also doing well in 3rd year university, so its not like shes just 'going harder' or anything. Just a preference, a tolerance.
 
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