ABC 7:30 Report on E-Kits
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they mentioned bluelight??? hahaha I don't know why I find that funny but I just do
It's hard to think a little website I found while I was surfing the net one day has been mentioned on the 7.30 report.
JB...save a tape for me for when I come down and consummate our fuck buddy relationship
JB...save a tape for me for when I come down and consummate our fuck buddy relationship
hehe yeah lucky us in perth got the election debate..
was interesting tho labors views on drugs and their proposal to try new things since the liberals "hard stance" has not worked.. they cited such countries as holland etc as trying new strategies ..
was interesting tho labors views on drugs and their proposal to try new things since the liberals "hard stance" has not worked.. they cited such countries as holland etc as trying new strategies ..
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they didnt mention bluelight as such... there was a brief shot of a computer screen showing the www.chemicalgeneration.com.au links page and the camera seemed to zoom in on the BL link...
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didn't see the 7.30 report, but saw ACA on channel 9 last night, have to admit, wasn't very impressed by it. They only had footage of Dancesafe in the US, ravers in the US..and the 1 raver they interviewed said that if he tested a pill and it tested no reaction, he doesn't think that he'd throw it away.
They also mentioned Anna Wood and that the fact that she died of taking in too much water. Apparently the coroners report showed that the pill she took was MDMA, so even if she tested the pill, she would have died anyway. Look, it did have it's good points,and i spose that they couldn't have given it too much of a plug. One thing tho, i don't think they showed JB on ACA, and there was no mention of BL or any other forums. Maybe the 7.30 report was better.
They also interviewed a chap who sells Ekits in a Melbourne shop (his name escapes me at present) and he mentioned that alot of parents are buying kits for their kids.
One more thing...I think they also had footage of you Jaff...they had a guy testing a pill on a dark plate, and he said that there is risk involved in everything (good point)...Eden Gaha just sat their with this wankerish look on his face...
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They also mentioned Anna Wood and that the fact that she died of taking in too much water. Apparently the coroners report showed that the pill she took was MDMA, so even if she tested the pill, she would have died anyway. Look, it did have it's good points,and i spose that they couldn't have given it too much of a plug. One thing tho, i don't think they showed JB on ACA, and there was no mention of BL or any other forums. Maybe the 7.30 report was better.
They also interviewed a chap who sells Ekits in a Melbourne shop (his name escapes me at present) and he mentioned that alot of parents are buying kits for their kids.
One more thing...I think they also had footage of you Jaff...they had a guy testing a pill on a dark plate, and he said that there is risk involved in everything (good point)...Eden Gaha just sat their with this wankerish look on his face...
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here's the full transcript:
"i think i'll stick to drugs to get me thru the long, dark night of late-capitalism..."
Irvine Welsh
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31/01/01
Australian firm trials ecstasy test kit
KERRY O'BRIEN: Despite being implicated in a dozen deaths, it's estimated the illegal drug ecstasy is taken by hundreds of thousands of Australians each weekend.
But ecstasy users can't be sure what they're taking.
The tablets are often manufactured in crude laboratories and laced with other chemicals.
An Australian firm is now selling a test kit aimed at ensuring that those who use ecstasy know what's inside each pill.
But there is a fear that the kit will only give ecstasy users a false sense of security, as Josephine Cafagna reports.
ANDREW, ECSTASY USER: You know, you've got E, you've got ecstasy, you've got pills, basically, ecky, bickie, disco biscuits.
JOSEPHINE CAFAGNA: These are the slang terms for the illegal drug ecstasy.
Despite its illicit nature and the fact that 12 deaths have been associated with its use, the drug is a staple part of the dance party scene.
Some estimates put the use of ecstasy as high as 100,000 tablets consumed each weekend.
ANDREW: It's like the in thing at the moment.
So, whereas it's always been around for the last, say, you know, 12-15 years, it's only really become big now.
JOSEPHINE CAFAGNA: Andrew is a 22-year-old computer programmer who regularly uses ecstasy.
He prefers to remain anonymous, but talks freely about why he takes the drug.
ANDREW: Well, it gets rid of your inhibitions, number one.
It creates a feeling of being loved-up.
You don't hold back with what you want to say to a person.
Basically, euphoria.
Yes, it just creates a great feeling.
CHIEF INSPECTOR PAUL DITCHBURN, VICTORIA POLICE: In the short-term, it can make people do what they normally wouldn't do and push their body beyond normal extremes.
In the long-term, there's research to indicate there can be long-term brain damage and the insidious part of that is that people don't know it's occurring.
JOSEPHINE CAFAGNA: It's estimated 5 per cent of the population has tried ecstasy and it's favoured by females between the ages of 19 and 29.
Among that group, its use is as high as 15 per cent.
The active ingredient in ecstasy is MDMA, a form of amphetamine first marketed in the 1930s as an appetite suppressant.
While many recreational users believe MDMA is harmless, evidence shows it can be lethal.
PAUL DILLON, NATIONAL DRUG AND ALCOHOL RESEARCH CENTRE: The vast majority of things that are contained in ecstasy are relatively harmless.
Unfortunately, there are some impurities, particularly PMA, or paramethylamphetamine - which has caused a number of deaths around the country - has been identified in ecstasy tablets.
But I think what that gets away from is that MDMA in itself can be harmful.
We have had a death in Sydney that was completely related to MDMA overdose.
This is what users don't know and don't understand.
JOSEPHINE CAFAGNA: Borrowing on what's happening in the European rave scene, a group of local E users have come up with their own harm minimisation scheme.
A testing kit, available over the Internet and at selected tobacconists.
A group called Enlighten has started setting up testing stations at large rave parties.
They test tablets for free and offer kits for sale.
JOHN DAVIDSON, ENLIGHTEN: We explain that the test indicates that a certain substance is present.
We also tell them that other substances may be present and don't come up in the test.
But generally we're telling them that this test will indicate there is an ecstasy-like substance in the pill or a speed-like substance, or some other substance.
CHIEF INSPECTOR PAUL DITCHBURN: This is an example, Josephine, of an E kit.
You'll see it contains a plastic bottle that includes an eye-dropper, a bottle of reagent, and in addition to that is a colour code, so that when a sample of the drug is taken and mixed with the reagent, depending on the colour that it goes, you get some indication of what drugs might be present.
The concern we would have is maybe some of the darker colours could mask some of the other drugs present, but our main concern is what the kits do not show.
JOSEPHINE CAFAGNA: The test only registers the first chemical it finds, although a second E kit, called Generation 2, is coming onto the market, which can reveal up to two other substances in a tablet.
So what are you looking for when you test your pill?
ANDREW: Definitely ecstasy.
I'm looking for a result where it comes up telling me that it's ecstasy.
PAUL DILLON: I think they're potentially quite dangerous, because they really don't give the information that users are actually after - and that is, is this tablet safe or unsafe?
JOSEPHINE CAFAGNA: Paul Dillon has conducted extensive research on ecstasy use in Australia for the National Drug and Alcohol Research Centre.
He believes the kits could be doing more harm than good.
PAUL DILLON: No, it doesn't necessarily identify the most toxic, the most harmful, or even the chemical that's most abundant in the tablet.
So that's one point.
I think also it gives a false sense of security to people that, because it may identify MDMA or the substance that people are actually looking for when they use an ecstasy, that that somehow implies that that tablet is safe or harmless.
And that's just incorrect.
JOHN DAVIDSON: It's all about reducing the harm by a matter of degrees.
The argument that we cannot make it entirely safe we find a bit outrageous, because everything has risks.
Should we not try and minimise the risks at all?
Because, you know, we're just trying to knock away and make, you know, one or two people safe per event.
JOSEPHINE CAFAGNA: So you can't say that that tablet is safe to take, or unsafe?
JOHN DAVIDSON: We wouldn't want to.
JOSEPHINE CAFAGNA: Why wouldn't you want to?
That's what I would want to know.
JOHN DAVIDSON: That's a moral judgment.
We're supplying scientific information.
JOSEPHINE CAFAGNA: So you're satisfied that, using this kit, you will know whether that pill is safe or not?
ANDREW: Um, well, it's better than having a pill on its own, without using the kit.
JOSEPHINE CAFAGNA: Police insist the E kit is simply sending the wrong message about ecstasy.
PAUL DITCHBURN: If that little bit of knowledge gives a person a false sense of security, then it might be quite counterproductive.
Because, as I say, these kits are indicative only and it's what they don't show that is a cause for concern.
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oops sorry
http://www.abc.net.au/7.30/s240305.htm
"i think i'll stick to drugs to get me thru the long, dark night of late-capitalism..."
Irvine Welsh
I dont think they should interview police when a large proportion of whats being talked about concerns scientific info.
ParaMETHYLamphetamine, give me a break.
How can they be taken seriously when they get basic facts wrong.
MDMA overdose? i doubt it.
What annoys me the most is that the whole harm minimisation approach is lost on them. False sense of security - NO! not if its explained properly.
Dont the fools and that reporter understand that people will take pills regardless; if the tester didnt exist, people would have no idea.
It is like telling people about the existence of STDs and saying condoms give a false sense of security despite the fact that they minimise any risks greatly;
"Guys u cannot have sex, the risk is too great and we wouldnt want u to take precautions by protecting yourself because there is still a chance u may catch something."
I beg for the day when the main focus is placed on lab testing; discuss how Holland, Switzerland and even the U.S have started doing this.
That is how i would answer the cops everytime they bring up, "the testers are not telling the whole story" argument.
Well give us the whole story u absolute idiot and do something constructive.
And put a lot of local criminals out of business in the process.
ParaMETHYLamphetamine, give me a break.
How can they be taken seriously when they get basic facts wrong.
MDMA overdose? i doubt it.
What annoys me the most is that the whole harm minimisation approach is lost on them. False sense of security - NO! not if its explained properly.
Dont the fools and that reporter understand that people will take pills regardless; if the tester didnt exist, people would have no idea.
It is like telling people about the existence of STDs and saying condoms give a false sense of security despite the fact that they minimise any risks greatly;
"Guys u cannot have sex, the risk is too great and we wouldnt want u to take precautions by protecting yourself because there is still a chance u may catch something."
I beg for the day when the main focus is placed on lab testing; discuss how Holland, Switzerland and even the U.S have started doing this.
That is how i would answer the cops everytime they bring up, "the testers are not telling the whole story" argument.
Well give us the whole story u absolute idiot and do something constructive.
And put a lot of local criminals out of business in the process.