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a vaccine to stop you getting off on MDMA? it might happen...

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http://www.yale.edu/opa/newsr/00-03-07-01.all.html
this is to do with a vaccine that has been developed that will make your body create cocaine "anitbodies" that will block the cocaine receptors in your brain and prevent you from getting off on the drug. the nicotine version is soon to be tested , and versions for heroin and THC are on the drawing board...
could our beloved MDMA be next?
this is no april fools, this is scarey shit reality. the future looks grim kiddies...
check out this story. the last line scares the hell out of me... i mean, who decides?
http://www.beyond2000.com/news/story_124.html
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Wow, i guess everyone will just have to switch to acid, huh?
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Seriously though, could they really justify making such vaccines compolsary in the way they did with tetinus, polio, diptheria, etc etc....
 
They gots to find me first....
If they try that here in the states there will be the biggest Supreme Court battle in history, and if George Bush gets elected and puts hard line conservatives on the Court shit like that could happen.
Im moving to Amsterdam the day that bill gets passed through Congress.
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( i know i don't belong here, but i sneak in and read...this is my first post in another country, you can take away my passport after this, i just hae to add something because i have a different point of view)
i think it is a wonderful thing. imagine a vaccine that could eliminate addiction? a vaccine that could actually CURE addicts....crack addicts, dope addicts, nicotine addicts, how about for alcohol? this would be an amazing breakthrough for so many people that are suffering.
of course--all this within the perspective that the vaccine could only be administered in volluntarily situations. the only non-vollunary situation which i might consider plausible, but i do object to, would be if someone ODed and was revived in a hosptial, there maybe they could give it without consent, i don't agree but i can argue that side if i was forced to in a debate.
 
Beautiful jumped in, and this is a very cool post, so lil' yankee me is gonna butt in here too. *meek wave to everybody*
They already have this for heroin addicts, you guys... "Anesthesia-assisted opiate detoxification." It's actually a really fabulous way to go thru rehab for smack.
For years they only had the stupid, fucked up methadone treatments, which are TERRIBLE.. trading one addiction for another. Ugh. But when suburban kids started dabbling with the shit they got their act together.
The actual detox is pretty short and painless, you're asleep for most of it.. Then afterwards, you're given this shot of a drug called naltrexone that blocks the effects of opiate drugs like H, so even if you DO try to relapse and go get a hit, it's not gonna do jack... Unfortunately this process is fantastically expensive, and therefor unavailable to your average street junkie.
I imagine this will be the same for cokeheads who try this method. It's not like they're gonna give you this vaccine at birth, I'm sure (and if so, that'd be seriously fucked up). It will just be a really expensive yet likely effective rehab program.
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Jeez, im away two bloody weeks and already we have the whole yankee bandwagon jumping aboard! Welcome anyway!
This subject does phreak my a little because most of the population would be more than supportive of it. As far as they are concerned, mdma falls in the same catergory as crack and smack (there are exeptions of course)
We have to be responsible and educate the masses in an appropriate manner.
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some parents in the u.s.a. are already asking when they can get it to give to their teenage kids... nd we are not talking about crack babies here, just ordinary teenage kids who might one day try a toot of blow...
it seems like they want to punish them for a thought crime before they even commit it.
my paranoid extension of all this: within two generations parents will have the option of tinkering with their childs DNA (anyone doesnt believe this? wanna lay some money on it?).
imagine if white bread middle american parents are given the option of turning off the genes that allow the receptors in the kids brain to feel MDMA.
it will be just another tick on a form, right under heart disease, just above manic depression... coz how many parents in an ultra conservative country are going to proudly say "no, i think i'd like to give my kid the option of experimenting with drugs"
oh and hi to you all... welcome... just remember we drive on the left side of the road here ok?
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Have you ever wanted to live on your own island with all your friends, your own *fair* rules that people live by.
I wanna live there.
Thats not gonna happen. If these vaccinations ever become compulsory I'll just bail to some 3rd world counrty in order to maintain what little freedom i have.
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Damnit johnboy, you're right. I mean, even folks who experimented with drugs when they were teens wont want thier kids trying it. Just consider yourself lucky ppl, mdma wont be around for eva. Get fucked while you can - hahaha.
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'we did not observe any major side effects' hmmm, sounds like there were some side effects.
The last line of the other one is fucking scary, and somewhat bizzare. Many, many people turn out nothing like their parents (most of us are too young to know for sure if we will or not)
I have a friend that's just been allowed to continue with 2nd year med science without having any Hepatitis vaccinations. You're meant to have had 3, it's takes that many to make you resistant.
But he doesn't want to have them done because he is against vaccines, for personal reasons. Not really important what his reasons are, they're not scientifically justified or anything, just personal reasons. He's not afraid of needles
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.I think that it would not be possible to pass a legislation to make them compulsory, I'd say we're safe, at least for next 20 years
 
OMG I could cry at the thought of never having music play with my soul ever again.
I might go back to uni and start a study into MDMA and get all you guys as test cases for the next 40 years
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seriously...........i think you are all getting paranoid for no reason............
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i remember in the late 70's was all that talk about compulsary brain scans and blood/urine samples being requested by potential future employers!!!!!!
everyone was shitting their pants...................(in germany that is)
lets face it,.... drugs change; societies acceptance/tolerance towards drugs changes and even though these vaccinations prove to be effective, the chances that they might be introduced as if they were berocca tablets are low!!!!!!!!
..........relax people and move along now!!!!!.......................................
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Pubdate: Thu, 03 Aug 2000
Source: New Times (CA)
Contact: [email protected]
Website: http://newtimes-slo.com/
Author: Carla Spartos
Related: Villiage Voice article, http://www.mapinc.org/drugnews/v00/n968/a01.html
NEW VACCINES MAY DRUG-PROOF KIDS
The war on drugs may soon be over, but not because of legalization, stiffer penalties, or a truce between cartels and prohibitionists. This uneasy peace would come at the hands of pharmaceutical companies and biotech labs, which are about to unleash the ultimate weapon: the antidrug vaccine.
One anti-cocaine vaccine, already shown to be safe for humans, prevents people who snort coke from getting high.. Researchers are also testing vaccines for nicotine. And results look promising for the eradication of PCP abuse and methamphetamine addiction.
The National Institute on Drug Abuse has funded much of the development cost - approximately $4.5 million since 1996. "Just as medications have been developed for other chronic diseases, such as hypertension, diabetes, and cancer," writes NIDA in its five-year strategic plan, "drug addiction is a disease that also merits medication for its treatment."
Looking at social ills through a medical lens is not a new phenomenon. By studying disorders from alcoholism and compulsive gambling to attention deficit disorder and depression, scientists have discovered not only genetic factors responsible for so-called abnormal behavior, but also the way such behavior affects the brain's neural map. According to Frank Vocci, director of NIDA's Treatment Research and Development division, the antidrug vaccines can provide a powerful weapon against substance addiction, especially when combined with therapy and psychiatric medicine. And vaccines, which unleash an onslaught of drug-busting antibodies, can do what traditional treatment can't. "If a patient is in an emergency room with high methamphetamine levels and experiencing a cardiovascular crisis," says Vocci, "antibodies would bind the drug up and cause the individual to excrete it." In other words, an injection of antibodies could reduce the specter of death by overdose to a bad '70s flashback.
Though scientists have long used vaccines to trick the immune system into thwarting lethal diseases, the antidrug vaccines are a new breed, designed to attack pleasure-inducing chemicals that the brain craves. Some of these new vaccines use antibodies that bind to the illegal drug, render it inactive, and then leave the bloodstream. Others remain potent for years. This is the type of vaccine that purged the Western world of polio and smallpox - and may put a choke hold on civil liberties.
The human affinity for altering perception reaches far back in the evolutionary chain. If antidrug vaccines become widely available, parents will be able to decide whether their kids will be able to get high - even as adults, even recreationally. And governments could target certain communities for vaccination. "Who is going to get it?" asks Peter Cohen, an adjunct professor at the Georgetown University Law Center, who has written on the legal implications of the vaccines. "Those who have a history of
cocaine abuse? Those who may be statistically likely to become addicts? Or do you vaccinate everybody?"
Cohen argues everyone should get the shots, but so far the only human tests have been done on addicts. In one experiment by Yale University this spring, researchers vaccinated 34 former cocaine abusers living in a residential treatment facility. That vaccine, called TA-CD, generates antibodies that grab onto the upper as soon as it enters the bloodstream, preventing the drug from bumrushing the brain.
The new vaccines have limitations. Namely, addicts could still get high if they did enough lines. Enter Donald Landry, associate professor of medicine at Columbia University's College of Physicians and Surgeons, who's researching so-called catalytic antibodies. With a load of them in your bloodstream, you'd have to snort a lot of coke to feel any effect. So much so that financial limitations (you'd have to spend a ton of money) and physical needs (you'd have to stop and breathe) would kick in. "Everyone attempting to quit cocaine can use the catalytic antibody," Landry says.
But if you can't get high from cocaine, you can get drunk on alcohol or stoned on pot. Substance-abuse counselors say a vaccine alone won't solve the problem of drug abuse, and shouldn't end up replacing more expensive - and extensive - treatments that deal with the factors that lead to addiction.
"We're not going to run out of new and inventive things that are going to make people high, but that doesn't mean a vaccine won't help for some people," say Peter Kerr, a spokesman for the New York branch of Phoenix House, who compares the use of antidrug vaccines to relying on the synthetic opiate methadone to treat heroin addicts. "The primary emphasis is relieving symptons. Counseling is an ancillary factor."
Unlike methadone, which is used to fight debilitating withdrawal symptoms, or Anabuse, which causes and alcoholic to become violently ill upon drinking, some vaccines can last a lifetime. There's no turning back. And if the choice of a child is in the hands of a parent, or that of a prisoner in the hands of the government, then involuntary vaccinations become the result.
"It's hard to justify vaccinating a million children when only a small percentage are at risk, even in an area where cocaine use is endemic," say Landry.
The vaccines also raise questions of privacy. "Once you're vaccinated, you have antibodies in your blood that would show up in a drug test," say Cohen. "The least controversial solution is universal vaccination: You wouldn't be stigmatizing any one group."
Yet mass vaccinations have always been controversial. "That's treating people like cattle," says Joe Lehman, a spokesman for the Cato Institute, a libertarian think tank. Lehman believes that there would be pressure to get an antidrug vaccine, especially when it comes to insurance companies (who might offer special premiums to the vaccinated) or employers (who are in the age of mandatory drug testing have obvious motives). Though mass, forced vaccinations may be unlikely, a scenario in which individuals feel pressured to get the vaccine is no less chilling in it implications.
Civil libertarians on both the left and right ends of the political spectrum aren't the only ones concerned over universal vaccination. Critics of childhood vaccinations - alternative medicine advocates, concerned parents - are growing in number. The National Vaccine Information Center promotes parental awareness about vaccination risks and the right to refuse
shots. Barbara Loe Fisher, president of the center, is outraged by the idea of antidrug vaccines. "To add a vaccine to the mix that doesn't fit into early-childhoold diseases seems amazing," she says. "That we can get a
vaccine to solve every social problem is short-term thinking."
This article originally appeared in the Village Voice.
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MAP posted-by: Jo-D
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I have to agree with beautiful that this could be a positive thing, but only if it ins't abused.
It could be the answer the addicts are waiting for, however, it would have to be completely voluntary. The idea of parents being able to vaccinate their babies against drugs, may be a good idea in theory, but it goes against all the basic principles of freedom.
We should have the right to choose, even if it does mean that some people make the wrong decisions.
A vaccine on MDMA however, would be absolutley preposterous. You cant get addicted to the drug, if you look after yourself and test etc., there are minimal risks. Plus, it makes the people who use it friendly!! Why cant they see the good side?
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