A 'pillreports.com' for RC's?

kidklmx

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Information on RC's is scarce and inconsistent, we all know that. Yes, there are these forums, but that isn't the most elegant way of getting information and a lot of youngsters (like myself) stop their search after reading dosage information from a single post, which can be dangerous*. Obviously there is Erowid, but that's not always reliable.

So now I'm proposing RCreport.com, or whatever a clever name you guys can come up with. The idea behind it is that there is this simple, and fast to fill out form** for adding information of a substance, and then data like dosage, duration, effects is gathered from that. This is then presented on a profile page for the substance, with averages from the gathered data (and pretty graphs!). All fully anonymous of course.

There should also be a (heavily moderated?) knowledge base full of harm reduction. Proper information on handling (i.e volumetric metering calculator, how to lay blotters), what to do if things go bad, etc. Also, learning grounds into chemistry, pharmacology. Letting people know how their drugs exactly work.

Obviously there wouldn't be any vendor talk, but I think there should be a list of vendors that are known to be sending out the wrong substances, nothing at all, whatever. The ones that you should NOT get your stuff from.

Now, there is but one problem in this lovely idea, and that is me not having any (web) development experience (well, that's exaggerating, I can make a geocities-page). Which is why I'm here. I think a lot of the actual work has already been done by open-source Wiki and Enquete efforts, but that doesn't mean we have a working website just yet! I, myself could help with initial hosting costs, refinement of the idea (with YOUR help, obviously) and maybe I could do some design work, though others might be better at it. I want this to be a community effort, which means this will be open-source on all fronts.

I hope this gains traction, as we really need to make the world of RC's a safer and therefore better place.

-klmx

*On another forum's thread on NBOMes there was this guy claiming that dosing in the microgram range was "not enough", and that you should start doing 16Mg, because that's where the "real action" is. This could be his form of humour, but I wouldn't be surprised if some of the seizures came from that very suggestion...

** For example:
Substance:______
Dosage:______ (What you feel to be a) Safe Dosage from ____ to _____
Duration: _____ Shulgin scale: ______
Effects: [choose from a list of effects, i.e tracers, morphing, stimulation, vaconstriction, ego death, ecstasy]
etc. Just anything with relevance to usage safety.

EDIT: A big WHOOPS, just saw an idea like this in another thread, which this would perfectly complement. But no, this is NOT Erowid, this is more like Erowid in a Web 3.0 format
 
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Can you link the other thread please? I reckon thats a good idea, especially naming dodgy vendors that sell the wrong thing.
 
http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/threads/629231-An-idea-to-help-the-general-drug-user-population

And yeah, I think there needs to be a more dynamic-crowd sourced knowledge base, maintaining a Wiki is a big investment of ones time and with this method it takes 5 mins and you've made a contribution to the knowledge we have on these substances. Maybe with non-obnoxious advertising it would be possible to fund TRUE scientific research on these, and even the more classic substances.

Though I find the lack of support on BL disturbing..
 
http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/threads/629231-An-idea-to-help-the-general-drug-user-population

And yeah, I think there needs to be a more dynamic-crowd sourced knowledge base, maintaining a Wiki is a big investment of ones time and with this method it takes 5 mins and you've made a contribution to the knowledge we have on these substances. Maybe with non-obnoxious advertising it would be possible to fund TRUE scientific research on these, and even the more classic substances.

Though I find the lack of support on BL disturbing..


It's gonna happen, it's in the process of being developed.. Stay tuned :)
 
OP, I fail to see how this proposed site would be better than the megathreads on BL? You're talking about collating data from users about dosage, duration, subjective effects... don't we already do that here? I don't see how you'd make this happen without making it a full-time job for the mods. You also can't really name and shame vendors without inviting malicious reports from competitors. It feels to me like you're reinventing the wheel.
 
One of the problems with some aspects of your plan are, well one, we already have mega threads discussing individuals experiences with various RC substances, individual threads for trip reports in the trip reports sub-forum, and majority of these substances have absolutely not scientific studies done on these substances. So basically everything you are suggesting is actually pretty much in place. The one thing that can not and will not happen is a gathering of the pharmacology, toxicology, etc. on majority of these substances because they have no been researched. Not even many scientists have investigated a lot of these substances, particularly with the idea of recreational use in mind.

We are doing the best we can to be source of harm reduction for RCs, but sadly there are way to many people (if not the majority of the the people) who are using RCs shouldn't even be trying them in the first place. Of course we can't just talk people out of doing their idiotic "research", and with many sites advertising legit and non-legit sources for chemicals (even some 'legit' sources may make mistakes and send the wrong chemical under a certain label id), that random joes are ordering them when they shouldn't be. Also, its not like someone can post a picture of their powder, say its so and so drug, and some random person on the net can look at their's and identify what substance they have. Chemicals can look exctally alike, with one being a safe drug, another being a powerful neurotoxin, another a flavor enhancer. There is no way some sort of pillreport like site can exist for RCs. The best advice I have for people is to not use RC substances in the first place if you do not know what you are doing which is like i said probably the majority of those using them.

Also another note on listing bad sources - people will try to use them because they are idiots, it will also be abused by 'real' sources in attempt to get idiots to buy/be scammed. It will just make the issue worse. We put out warnings when deaths arrive from events like 2c-b-fly BS (no source was even needed to be named for that shit to end and deaths stop).

I think you need to spend more time reading around bluelight to see majority of the info you want is already on here, and realize these are unresearched chemicals. Even the smartest bluelighters or smart scientists in the world do not know how these drugs necessarily work, or how they will affect you. Speculation from people claiming to be chemist geniuses on drug web-forums isn't scientific information either, so there will be no way to compile any reasonable amount of scientific data on these substances, particularly while they start becoming big hits for their recreational effects. Not to mention we can't teach people how to understand pharmacology, toxicology, neuroscience, physiology, etc. to even understand some of the science that MAY be out there.

There is no way a pill reports like site could be done. If you feel unsafe doing these drugs, DON'T DO THEM. Your putting yourself at risk any time you ingest a RC, and that's on you. We can try to show as much information on these substances as we can, but that doesn't stop idiots for using them, vendors scamming, impurities in their drug products (we don't have a bluelight NMR, GC-MS, etc. lying around), etc.
 
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The other problem here is the substance name - So many vendors use different names for the same thing. Ching / Chang / Charlie / Blow could be 'anything' etc.

The other bigger concern is we simply do not know what half of these things are doing? So making a report saying 'safe' dose is dangerous and counter productive from a harm reduction point of view.

Nice thought but could open up a very big can of worms.
 
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The other problem here is the substance name - So many vendors use different names for the same thing. Ching / Chang / Charlie / Blow = Mephedrone etc.

The other bigger concern is we simply do not know what half of these things are doing? So making a report saying 'safe' dose is dangerous and counter productive from a harm reduction point of view.

Nice thought but could open up a very big can of worms.

Chang and blow is mephedrone? Fuck I know a headphone in britain still selling them, if thats the case I'd definately want to try mephedrone, never got a chance. I reckon its more likely they've kept the same name and just changed whatever the fuck they put in it and fuck doing random white powders so much.
 
NO - Sorry, I wasn't very clear in my post. Certain vendors use a lot of weird 'brand' names instead of the chemical name.

One vendor could be selling a product called 'Ching' and the contents could be x drug - the next vendor could be selling 'Ching' and the actual contents could be another different thing all together.

sorry for the confusion :)
 
Very good idea, I think I might see what I can do about getting a friend of mine who knows web design along with information that I give to him to see if we can make up a site like this...I'll keep you guys updated :)

-PJ
 
This is a very interesting and plausible idea. Currently though,there is little to make it shine out. Why not put it on the Underweb where you could provide more information on the origins of the substance.I do not know much about the Torr network and how hard sites are to access on it,so if there are holes in this please let me know. Thats the only way that this could work and make it different enough to standout. To properly do this you would also need samples from various vendors and analyze them(which I imagine the stuff to do this with isnt cheap).
 
There was talk a little while back about 'Trip' Reports (for LSD) but not sure what ever happened with that?

The RC's could be a nightmare to operate - IF you were going down that route you need to think about Brand names as so many vendors sell all sorts of crazy ass shit put into sparkly packets and named after something stupid.

The chemical name would be the safest but again, different vendors have different versions/strengths - to get around this you would then need to talk about the vendor directly so sourcing would be the problem.

Tricky one
 
I think any resource with as much information on RCs as possible is a good idea. Lets be real. I grew up with the basic drugs like mushrooms, lsd, mdma, mda, mde, 2cb, coke, crack, opiates, meth, weed, etc. Ya, those are the basics nowadays. Although I have knowingly and not knowingly done some of the newer RCs, I am not a fan at all. There is no way to know what the long term effects of these drugs are or how much will fuck your day up. As someone above mentioned, if anything happens to your or your offspring, that shit is on you. That being said, I still think supplying as much *accurate* and first hand experiences possible is a good thing for harm reduction and to supply enough information for someone to make an accurate decision on whether or not they should try this new RC out. Just my 2 cents...
 
This is very true: 'brand names' like 'Charlie Sheene' and 'Gogaine', can have MPA [%?] as their active ingredient from one vendor; another vendor was selling an M'n'M version: 47% MDAI, 23% MPA...yup, that adds up to 70%...5% lidocaine[?] 25%
dextrose, maybe? I've seen a version with a mix of MPA and etizolam?!?!?! Pink Panthers and Green Beans also change their formulae depending on the law and, one assumes, the price and availability of the RCs. I find some of the branded 'RC's excellent, but without a gas chromatograph, who knows what it is that is so pleasant? Really, we, as customers, should gently but firmly insist that our retailers onlysell brands that accurately state the active ingredients, plus their concentration. One of the new 'herbal blends' is so potent, a small pipeful can send a seasoned dope-fiend to the AE, while another brand with a lighter dose of the same two cannbinoides is described in the friendly local headshop.
Start acting like responsible retailers you RC dingbats or withholding information might lead to the kind of tragedies get you shut down quick, and us unable to travel in freedom about our psyche.

edit: I have seen 'Ching' with a label on the back clearly stating that it contained EP, but though it was an excellent product, it didn't declare what percentage was EP--at a guess I'd say 100% in that case--soething to boast of. Another 'Ching'-- same label different bag--appeared to be MPA [boring alone], EP, and plenty sweeties. See above.=D
 
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i am moving this from global HR to support.

i doubt we will ever have any sort of list about legit or scammy vendors. it is just too hard to police for many reasons already given in this thread.
 
There's already a website operating about online vendors, You can't browse venders (anti sourcing), but you can however type in the URL of a vendor you already know, and see comments made by other members.

Membership (ability to post/comment) operates on a referral only basis, however the information is free for all to view.

It's a good idea, it has the obvious potential pitfalls though, It would only take one unscrupulous vendor to get vetted, or the motives of the members/operator to come into question to tarnish the integrity of the project.

I'm not sure if I'm allowed to post the url here, so I won't for now.

Currently, the database contains 16634 vendors, 3510 users and 90271 comments.
 
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