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A. Muscaria, 28g - First Time: Epiphanies In Hell

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Yesterday I received my order for 1 oz. dried fly agaric cap, Grade B. I was very excited to see how the experience would play out and had a night with no obligations, so was anticipating a positive "trip."

If any of you remember a thread in PD a couple days ago about the psychedelic potential of this mushroom in which the OP sort of doubted such potential...yeah that was me, and let me tell you, I have quickly been convinced otherwise.

Unfortunately I had no scale, nor did I have cash with which to purchase one, so dosing was very approximate. I have no doubt this influenced the intensity of my trip, as at first I ate too little and had no effect. After about 3hr. of munching nasty shrooms with no discernible effects, I said fuck it and ate the rest. So the only dosage info I can provide is that I ate the entire ounce in about 3 and a half hours.

about two hours after finishing them I began to salivate excessively and my coordination began to decline. The initial stage of intoxication much resembled a heavy cannabis "trip" from my low-tolerance days, at least in the mental effects and "headspace."

another half hour passed and I was lying on the couch in the dark watching my friend play video games. This is when the real trip began. I felt a strong dissociative effect and extreme synesthesia. As I watched the screen, I suddenly became aware of each individual piece of sensory input for each modality, except it was more experienced as a whole than it was perceived by specific senses. Not only this, but I felt as if I were hearing things BEFORE they happened, and the sounds as others heard them were echoes, and my consciousness became an infinite fractalized loop of echoes. Key word "loop."

at the height of this awesome confusion, every single sensory detail gave me deja vu, and I would try to speak but find that I was "ahead of myself". It may have been simply the awareness of passing time and its baffling nature that caused this feeling. Regardless it became horrifying. I began to think of my life and how I had always been a "fuck up" and how my everyone close tried to help/change me (not sure which) and how I had never listened and never learned, truly my whole life I had been "behind."

I figured that the pain of my present state, knowing things before they occur, feeling stuck in a loop waiting for the present to catch up, is how my loved ones must have felt my entire life as I refused to learn from my mistakes. I felt an indescribable weight of guilt upon me. I had caused everyones life to be a "bad trip."

Then it was the answer-to-life game. Is you've ever tripped you probably understand. I felt like every thought I had was an epiphany. But i really had
No way to explain my thoughts...thy came without words.

First my answer to the question of life was that life is a question with no answer. This lead to "don't try to solve an insoluble problem" which lead to "don't try too hard" which lead to simply "live your life." All the while I wondered if maybe the real answer was don't do drugs because you're hurting those that love you and want to see you succeed. I wondered about my destiny, what I had done wrong....

Then suddenly all this pain that had unfolded upon me became to retreat back to neutrality. It was like watching a movie and then watching it in reverse. I was still tripping very hard but I felt a sense of calm knowing that the ride was nearing its end and that i could rest from the torture of my own thoughts.

Then I fell asleep. I recall no dreams. In the morning I felt a sense of relief that I was "back." But at the same time felt the experience had been very profound.

All in all wahat I took from this trip is don't eat too many amanitas and don't think too hard. The rest I still haven't deciphered...


By the way sorry if this report is not of great quality or clairty but it is hard to describe an experience of this nature.

Thanks.
 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ibotenic_acid = eurrghh no thanks

muscimol sounds fun tho.

the combo is why they drink the reindeer piss instead of eating the raw mushroom

You don't HAVE to drink urine for it to be safe, sunlight and heat (a low oven for example) is more than enough to cause decarboxylation from ibotenic acid to muscimol.


OP, glad you made it through the experience. I have never found higher doses to be enjoyable in the slightest. Powerful and rewarding, but not pleasurable.
The amanita has not been a gentle teacher thus far

Did you find much nausea? That's something I generally struggle with.
 
There seems to be a new urban myth around about ibotenic acid. Ibotenic acid is neurotoxic when injected into cells in a test tube, or directly into the brain of a mouse. There is no evidence at all that ibotenic acid is neurotoxic when ingested orally and people have eaten fresh muscaria since people have been eating mushrooms.

EFFECTS OF IBOTENIC ACID AND MUSCIMOL

Ibotenic acid evokes entheogenic effects in human beings at doses ranging from 50 - 100 mg (Chilton 1975; Theobald et al. 1968). An equivalent effect is produced by 10-15 mg of muscimol (Theobald et al. 1968; Waser 1967). After oral ingestion, the onset of the inebriation is rather slow, and generally 2-3 hours elapse before the full effects are felt (Chilton 1975). This delayed response has also been reported following ingestion of Amanita pantherina (Ott 1976a). The effects last for 6-8 hours, depending on dose. Effects are characterized by visual distortions, loss of equilibrium, mild muscle twitching (not convulsions, as has erroneously been reported), and altered auditory and visual perception (Chilton 1975; Ott 1976a).

It would appear that muscimol is the psychoactive constituent, and that following ingestion of ibotenic acid, a fraction of the material decarboxylates to muscimol, which then produces the inebriation. After oral ingestion of ibotenic acid, a substantial percentage of the drug is excreted unaltered in the urine, but small amounts of muscimol are also excreted (Chilton, unpublished). This mechanism would potentially explain the Siberian urinary drug recycling practice. After ingestion of the mushroom, the celebrant would excrete substantial amounts of ibotenic acid in his urine. A second user ingesting the urine of the first, would cause some of the ibotenic acid to be decarboxylated to muscimol during digestion, producing inebriation when the muscimol was absorbed; and the bulk of the ibotenic acid would be re-excreted in his urine in turn. Thus a 100 mg dose of ibotenic acid might potentially represent four or five 10-15 mg doses of muscimol, and Steller's 1774 report that one dose of mushrooms could be recycled through four or five persons is certainly feasible. Muscimol itself probably does not play a significant role in urinary drug recycling, since it was found that only a small percentage of injected muscimol was excreted in the urine of mice (Ott et al. 1975a). This hypothesis has yet to be verified quantitatively in human beings, though it has been demonstrated qualitatively in preliminary experiments (Chilton 1979).
 
But have there been experiments demonstrating that either ibotenic acid does not cross the BBB or that central administration does not cause neurotoxicity?

ebola
 
I really enjoyed this report - your report clearly demonstrates the psychedelic properties of this mushroom - I can relate aspects of this trip to one of my own. It sounds like you slightly overdosed maybe?

ebola - to be honest probably not - investigating the safety of fly agarics isn't worth $100,000s to pharmaceutical companies. Word up to MGS for noting a word of scepticism - there is no note of long term damage from history and injecting rats brains doesn't tell you about real life outside of that setting for lots of reasons I can't be bothered to eludate.

Also "neurotoxic" is a pretty "toxic" word and doesn't involve context - alcohol is clearly neurotoxic but in effect negligible - you would be more appropriately worried about sugar in your diet than the occasional dose of amanita in my humble opinion

Also proving something doesn't do somethings a bit harder than proving it does
 
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