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A few reflections on "does time exist?"

what if i said our bodies are just hosts and our counsiousness is plasma binding to the electromagnetism of our nervous system. it leaves the host and finds a new one when the plasma is no longer able to bind to the nervous system

since light and temperature cannot travel without a medium it gets to us by plasma, which is everywhere.

we can then absorb and release the plasma relative to our rational thought which manefests itself within your host and the universe

since plasma makes up apparently 99% of the universe and is the source of life, then counsiousness is everywhere and therefore time is irrelevent.

could be why we sleep at night, why we can sense other peoples presense, and why electric schocks can bring us back to life

but also what if i said black is is colorless because is consumes all colors.

ayyyee
 
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Dedbeet said:
Here's a little ditty for the conceptual mind: Time *can't* exist.

(A) If time exists, the past and future exist.
(B) But existence necessarily implies presence, being.
(C) And the past, by definition, can never be present -- if it could, it would not be past.
(D) Thus, the past *cannot* exist, and by extension -- the future, either. The instant it existed, it would be the present, not the past/future.

Peace...
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Time has a direction. It's always moving forward.. Your "proof that time doesn't exist" is completely flawed.
 
Without time nothing would / could CHANGE.

Things are constantly changing.. how? Time allows it to.
 
^^it could be a graph where zero and infinity are at the orgin

where theres a loop and an anti parallel loop wraping around a torus both intersecting at the orgin as well
 
=D

a continuum of self adding & subtracting envelopment of expansion.
?

a sense of anything from nothing,,,
this is untimely
yet, un-coincidental?

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maybe time is an instilled sense as a reminder, from this Apex, and its Aeon(s)
 
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its expanding and contracting at the same time

but it doesnt use gravity, it uses plasma and electromagnatism
and since the universe is extremely magnetic and plasma is everywhere,
then time is everywhere because essentially the begining is the end.

time is just an illusion because you cannot see electromagnatism, or plasma which is why space apears as nothing
and we are carbon based plasma life forms.

also on a side note, some believe the mayans mastered plasma. and its said you cant master it unless you are spiritually and morally well
aayyee
 
well, a comparison of air and water seems suitable, and more tangible.

i imagine this expanding and contracting sends a pulse wave(time ripple), which is readily available, but only inertly accessible.
light and sound are also only reverberations, and the keys to our concepts accepted, and stayed.

yet- with our bodies containing so much water, and our senses truly being electrical, allowing these seeming opposites to conduct in a similar frequency themselves - and set to match the frequency of our surroundings - we could live as, be reflected as / or decipher reflections of, and be liberated from and further into ourselves.


... is plausible, with all tings considered.
but, how to consider all things at one time(instant restriction)

-this is not any sort of magiK-
 
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Deleted my post here, reposted on "Dedbeet's spoutings thread", which I will be sticking to from now on.

Peace...
 
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This is a question that has captivated me as well. I will say, provisionally, that we need to somehow operationalize what it is 'to exist' (eg, 'exist' in what ontological sense, if applicable, for whom, and in contrast to what kinds of nonexistence?). For example, a Buddhist would argue that Samsara, while illusory, exists as part of the actual universe, but specifically as illusion.

I'm going to have to return to my provisional ontological outlook that I keep mentioning in here.
Time appears a necessary property of subjects emergent as the universe continues to come to self-consciousness. So time must exist in some sense if these subjects are part of the universe in which they inhere. However, these conditions further suggest that part of the universe is the body of preconditions which impel such subjects to emerge. Since these preconditions include those which condition the emergence of time with subject-hood in the first place, these conditions must inhere prior to temporality. In this sense, time is non-existent, at least in failing to shape the totality of phenomena.

So time, indeed, 'sort of' exists. :P

ebola
 
seems the universe is what we draw time from, or our belief in.

the universe is of what we conceive time to be, its actual relativity. we refer to distance in space with what we judge distance by (distance is now obsolete) and so we reefer to -light (as an inconceivable-unseen-presence) and in our little words, -years to keep our train of thought.

though, we become distracted by the thought of light, and it becomes merely anecdotal.
we do not seem to fear the unknown presence of time, but what happens rather when it ends - maybe because we believe our clocks tell us the time, show us time, and help us feel time.
and at the end of time is to be blackness, but what we ignored or were diverted from as driving into this blackness, is the light of our years.
 
we live in a loop
like if you made a graph, but put infinity at the origin

the past is the future; and the future is the past; and we live in the now
but the now is both the future and the past.

the sun is our father, and the earth is our mother.. or maybe the moon is our mother
the sun produces plasma that rides the electromagnetic forces that attract the two together
which the plasma is then attracted to the electromagnetic forces of our brain unpon initial attraction of the electromagnetic forces of our brain in our own mothers womb.
we then exit through a black tunnel, experience life as you percieve it, then reenter into to universe through the white tunnel where we join the collective plasma of every soul fills the depth of the universe with light as we help all the confused beings weve left behind

its almost like, we were all knowing before, then was whiped of memory once we entered earth. maybe we were completely aware of earth and having knowing nothing as if visiting here is a test. its kind of weird to think that a vagina is a portal haha, or maybe the earth is the portal.

ayeee
 
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" or maybe the moon is our mother "

i love her as a Goddess the moon, 'she is a pilot of adornment.
she reflects and shows as much as possible to us (-;in accordance with a 'grander-time';-) the light.
a reminder of this portal and veil of our life and origins.
our earthly existence and its passing into black,
yet faithful returning unto the light.

plasma is in the essence of everything and its surroundings: an eggs "white" aka Medulla, the gasses in a light-bulb, our blood and eye-balls, the Auroras,
aluminum takes a plasmatic form rather fast,, and yeah i could keep on going... this seems basic, im curious about what your thoughts are on lights interaction with the stuff, and is it the same consistency in other environments.?

lately i have been "thinking"heheh a lot about the frequency of consistency of material and natural objects (to begin with) - and maybe what matters more, or is more tangible is the plasma that surrounds them; considering plasma as being in the matter of-the matter of-the matter of...;-)

having a literal grasp of this, one could then defy gravity in many ways. one could maybe separate -water from -land placing it back into its lighter presence of -air,, as -fire or high-heat would. then with a dry earth, fire would spread, but as more water evaporated it would soon rain. the water purified, the earth fertilized, the fire put out, and the seeds given moisture to germinate.


a plasma experience(Dub Trees)
 
All our discussions of time can be taken back to the fundamental difference in the Metaphyscis of Heraclitus on one side, and Parmenides and the Eleatics on the other. The eleatics went to superabundant lengths to prove that time did not exists, that all was is stasis, with only the illusions of space and time (most notably demonstrated by Zeno).

Heraclitus on the other hand held all to be in flux (allowing for time and motion etc). There is nothing particularly new to these notions.

To my mind, most arguments, regarding the exstence of time or it's contrary as mere extensions of the positions of Heraclitus and Parmenides.

One noteable exception is the British Idealist, McTaggart, whose famous argument for the non-reality of time is a genuinely novel. |Anyone genuinely interested in his theory can find further reading at in his [URL="http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/mctaggart/"]SEP entry[/URL]
 
phobia*_ said:
having a literal grasp of this, one could then defy gravity in many ways. one could maybe separate -water from -land placing it back into its lighter presence of -air,, as -fire or high-heat would. then with a dry earth, fire would spread, but as more water evaporated it would soon rain. the water purified, the earth fertilized, the fire put out, and the seeds given moisture to germinate.
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did i say something about gravity and the use of water and then edit it out??
either that or i said it to my friend on fb haha

but i was saying that you could start out as a solid (ice cube). you have one form and that is to be a cube, you know nothing else because you are not capable or doing anything else.

then comes along fire, and with a little heat you learn to turn into a liquid to escape and now you are more knowing and have some flexibility

but the flame continues and you evaporate into a gas where you are free to flow yet still your own molecule and still are affected by gravity.. whatever

but if the flame becomes hot enough, you can turn into plasma where your electron is ripped off leaving your nucleuos ion whatever, and now you can defy gravity and float to where ever the universe takes you.

but i dont know too much about plasma, just enought to fantasize about it ha and it seems like you cannot return back to the molecule very easily once youre an ion?

i could have worded that better, but i feel like you get the point.

i just kind of have this theory in my head that the sun makes plasma
plasma responds to electromagnetic waves
our nervous system is electrical
plasma reacts with our nervous system
plasma is either positive or negative
you have rational thought and can choose to feel negative or positive
you see the world how you want to based on how you feel
your nervous system reacts with plasma to effect the whole 'charge' of the universe
and if your brain is a function of electromagnatism and plasma, and plasma is everywhere
then counsiousness is everywhere meaning that our bodies place an extreme limitation on our perception
when we die, we lose our charge so our collection of plasma joins the universe and recognizes the universe in pure light

but since our bodies are just hosts, everything you think you know is just an illusion
 
the Aurora's are plasma and various atomic waves splashing and oOzing around our biosphere, yes, our Sun does generate plasma.

" did i say something about gravity and the use of water and then edit it out?? either that or i said it to my friend on fb haha "

no, haha, i just think what you said is true, and vise-verse i suppose.
=D
and certainly not the first, was this what Moses had a grasp on..? to bring forth even further understanding?

" but i was saying that you could start out as a solid (ice cube). you have one form and that is to be a cube, you know nothing else because you are not capable or doing anything else. "

^<3
oh wow, this is a strikingly beautiful thought...
... i think i must;-) consider you a beautiful striking friend eleven-S's.!

=D
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Pythagoras said:
One noteable exception is the British Idealist, McTaggart, whose famous argument for the non-reality of time is a genuinely novel. |Anyone genuinely interested in his theory can find further reading at in his [URL="http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/mctaggart/"]SEP entry[/URL]
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oh boy,, just the introduction is something to read twice, haha.

i am sure each of those 8 sections will demand more attention. iy-yi..;-)
looking forward to this...
 
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^further then anything almost, i think.

a small sample of theory can be taken anywhere, BUT;
'accerelrative thought'
-or-
'automatic writing'
-or-
psychgnostology;-)
if i may, and i will-
... would be a lot more useful for all, if i or anyone/everyone, could get their money back spent on drugs(cringe), and pay for a proper fucking education...:-/

(-;although it is better later then worrying about never, i've learned;-)

the thought of our time and personally my education, is something that i let myself start worrying about,, more then anything else.
:-x

it is self-censorship omitting oneself from education, just like drugs for most, or maybe abused(w/e)...
so for me with -narcotics & benzos- - it is a balance of allowing so much pain to not be diverted from such thoughts, or such thoughts being muted or lost ignored completely - this same actual system of 'belief' is what ignorantly brought me to this greater understanding(for myself & of myself), though.
 
the arrow of time is an illusion because we cant see behind us

or do we see the way we do because of the arrow of time
 
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