A critique and analysis of the bard McKenna

[Mu-ham-mad]

^It is a bit, isn't it? - some people embarrass themselves and others as a matter of course.

 

[webbykevin]

yeh I guess thinking for yourself is a bit challenging for some people, no worries the rest of us will take up the mental slack for you.

 

[Mu-ham-mad]

I love how people twist independent thought into being conformist thought!
Imagine that you are Dennis McKenna and this guy you don't know (I assume) comes up to you and says "thank you for everything that you have done for the cause over the past 40 years."
What do you reply?
"Yeah, alright mate. No bother. Errrm....."
or
"What cause?!"

You know, THE CAUSE!
"Get out of here with your conformist ''cause'' thought - we're independent thinking human beings!"

But I'm taking up the mental slack for other people -- I represent THE CAUSE -- we're brothers in arms -- taking drugs for the CAUSE!

"Look -- I'll sign a book if you buy one, if not.... leave us alone will you mate!"

*cringe* -- as he said!

[Now I'll leave you alone, because that was uncalled for - but surely it does represent independent thought -- and surely there is a valid point there somewhere; if you are able to see the cause from a different perspective -- which should be quite easy with the aid of psychedelic drugs - if you take them often enough.
I recall a quote from his brother (the only one I respect) -- "culture is not your friend - that means EVERY culture.... and silly cults."
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iYB0VW5x8fI]

If what these people wish to create, with their meetings and conferences and "elders" -- if THAT is not a "silly cult"; preaching endless forms of false enlightenment (and a new book!) -- I don't know what is. Maybe culture is your friend though, and maybe this bullshit forum is your friend too -- It's not mine; I'm only here to get as many people as possible OFF here, and into reading books and interesting things from interesting people -- instead of all the tripe that is spouted in this mass delusion that we have created called an "internet community" of the lowest common denominator -- where those who spend most time and effort climbing the ladder of standard primitive social heirarchies are the ones who DON'T take the drugs that they are talking about -- and the ones that DO take the drugs are blessed with so much independent thought that they are unbearable to those who pretend to be on the same side -- and to be fighting for the "same cause" -- my cause is taking drugs and encouraging independent, anti-social drug taking - go straight to DMT; then read books and learn: http://libgen.org/ All I see around here is "ask me before you do anything at all" -- "how much should I take" -- "can I smoke DMT whilst on acid" -- that is a community of independent thinkers?! -- is ANY independent thinking encouraged at all?! "Ask me so I can reduce your harm -- keep them under the thumb - bullshit, man!

It seems to me that the only way that dependence of the youth is preserved through this forum is by promoting DANGEROUS drugs -- so that the "elders" can keep their position in their bullshit hierarchy and tell little kiddies how to be safe -- why the fuck are N-BOMe drugs promoted by a stickied thread showing that THIS FORUM is the place where people learn about it -- drugs that KILL people - why is DMT not promoted as the safest and most efficient psychedelic drug that there is?!

Just look at the stickied NBOMe thread - if that is what this forum is about then it and everyone who prides themselves on their "independent" free thinking bullshit thought is either a con-artist or an apathetic twat who doesn't really give a shit about other people who are interested in the same drugs -- but are interested in preserving or gaining some small pathetic amount of respect from naive young kids by making smart ass comments about being an independent thinker by saying "thanks for what you've done for the cause" to someone who HASN'T spent their lives promoting psychedelics -- and is now cashing in with a book which bad-mouths the good name of his dead brother!]

The extent of your independent thought stretches as far as using a term in the thread title that has been popularized by a famous podcaster - go independence! Unfortunately some people are not as easily fooled - but most are; sad to say. All you've built around here is a community of yes men who barely have two brain cells to rub together -- the saddest part is that those who agree with me are too keen not to be banned and preserve there nonsensical nicknames on a nonsensical forum rather than speak the truth - that is the state of oppression - and that is the state of independent thinking that you represent around here.

If that doesn't contribute to a critique and analysis I don't know what does - but most likely some overzealous kid will report me for abuse and/or trolling -- the very pinnacle of thought-oppression in the modern age. If you see temporary ban or ex-bluelighter next to my name at any time then it will be obvious why - and it will be obvious why I and many others like me eventually get sick of trying to talk sense to a bunch of non-psychedelic using hypocrites. Psychedelic thinking is destructive to any community and productive for the INDIVIDUAL -- by it's very nature, a psychedelic community is always going to be a sham -- and if those who run this forum actually took psychedelic drugs with any frequency they would understand precisely what I mean.

 

[kidklmx]

Wait, you're saying a forum where it is okay to ask questions about possibly dangerous substances is a bad thing? That it demotes your own thinking? What the hell, not every person on earth can be a neurochemist. Obviously this and other sites have a specific culture going on, but in no way is the psychedelic community a destructive one. (though the 60/70/80/90s died, but so did the mainstream culture at the time, the world changes) NBOMes ARE dangerous, but from what I understand, most if not all of it comes from improper handling, not everyone should be doing that. Not even me, as I'm an angsty 18 year old kid whom's escapism has destroyed more than one could ask for. Yet I did and things went fine, because I researched these forums/others. The whole point of a society is that others can think for you. Individual thought is very important, but the collective thought process is what makes us smart (and dumb too, see: the average person). It's the whole basis for modern science, and to me, that doesn't seem harmfull at all. People on here promote living healthy more than taking drugs, and just about every "should I take X" thread comes out with a no, because frankly, if you have to ask you shouldn't. Every single thought adds to the human library of knowledge.

You say people are promoting dangerous drugs, but the thing is, they don't. Do you see people taking bromo-dragonfly on here? What about scopolamine containing plants? Have you seen the talk going on in the various NBOMe threads? It's full of people warning each other. Do you still see people saying "THIS IS BETTER THAN LSD AND DMT COMBINED!!11!"? I know I don't.

People do need to think more for themselves, but to say that this community is destructive strikes me as odd. You learn here a LOT. I've been interested in psychedelic drugs for over a year, but I've only been coming to BL the last 2 months. Since that point I learned about the serotonin receptors, moleculair structures and the whole shebang. I don't have the knowledge to understand various scientific journals (yet, I'm still young you know), but this place has brought me a lot more (drug-related) info than I could say of any other site (dmt-nexus is a great contended, due to their extraction info). I think the whole reason why the psychedelic community of the 60s died, is because the 'regular' masses came in touch with LSD. They did NOT do LSD because of it's spiritual or psychological effects. They did it because they wanted to see things. That is the whole "not thinking for yourself"/whatever that you are so against, because there is no research involved. Not some drug website that is all for harm reduction and wants to help attain more knowledge on various substances.

p.s I'd be sad to see you or anyone banned for stating their own (founded) opinion
p.p.s Your whole rant was about thinking for yourself, but at the end you state everyone should take drugs? Wait what?

 

[Mu-ham-mad]

Well, it goes deeper than you imagine. The guy who "discovered" MXE used to post on here - I don't know if he was financially involved (I suspect not, he seemed like a decent guy - what little I spoke to him); the NBOMe's were promoted on here by a member of hyperlab - certainly for financial gain. I can't for the life of me work out why the NBOMe thread is stickied -- but one imagines conspiracies with this being a Russian forum, and all -- and the results show very very clearly that this site is where people are hearing about these drugs -- that HAVE caused fatalities.

Enjoy your learning, I can't be bothered writing any more -- And I know that this kind of talk is not welcomed, anyway.

 

[twelvesevndi]

maybe this bullshit forum is your friend too -- It's not mine; I'm only here to get as many people as possible OFF here, and into reading books and interesting things from interesting people -- instead of all the tripe that is spouted in this mass delusion that we have created called an "internet community" of the lowest common denominator -

hmm maybe try a different style with your next screen name.
you change your style a little bit with every successive SN but still I always get the impression that you are a gibbering sociopath so it's impossible to take you seriously.
good luck with your mission!