6th Issue Heroin Discussion Thread... v. Doprah

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Johnny blue said:
Some people think the naloxone in suboxone is what blocks the opiate. Maybe that's what they are referring to? I know people that say that subutex doesn't block at all like suboxone.

The naloxone was added as an "abuse deterrent" to suboxone to prevent IV use. Basically just BS marketting. It's not to keep you from getting high on full agonists.
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Here in the UK all we get is subutex not suboxone. And that shit defo blocks our gear. Hi from England by the way !!!
 
Bricks & Stacks said:
I'm not 100% on this but I think it's not so much having an addiction that sends you into PW. It's more of the fact that the dope is taking up all/most of your receptors then if you do sub since it's stronger or whatever it rips the dope off the receptors, sending you into PW. So I think, and again I ain't sure, that if you just did dope for the first time in your life then did sub to soon after it would send you into PW.
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That's what I was thinking.. but then again your receptors behave differently 1) when you have a habit and 2) the length of your addiction.

there's a lot of factors here. it might send you into PW.. but maybe not as harsh as someone who has receptors used to opiates.
 
^^ not sure either ,but i know here they off subs as therapy at a few local area doctors, first they give you subs with the nalaxone or whatever that is a opiate blocker or whatever, then after a week or so they start people on the subs with no Nalaxone or blocking agent shit..it's just the partial opaite agonist/antagonist pill, subutex or whatever, and if someone with no opiate tolerance or whatever took a subutex they would get a buzz, because the subutex contains a opaite that has both opaite agonist(binds to opiate receptors) and the same drug is also a partial opiate antagonist(which means that some of it blocks itself from binding to opiate receptors) but a opaite naive person could still get a buzz of varying degrees on subutex..the subs with the nalax.. shit they would not, IMO.
 
alteknj said:
That's what I was thinking.. but then again your receptors behave differently 1) when you have a habit and 2) the length of your addiction.

there's a lot of factors here. it might send you into PW.. but maybe not as harsh as someone who has receptors used to opiates.
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Yeah, like I said earlier in this thread, I've never had any problem with PW and I got a pretty fuckin strong dope habbit. (I ain't tryna brag like I'm some super junky or some shit I'm just layin the background) I don't even try and get high if I don't have atleast a bun cuz if I just do a couple bags it leaves me fiendin out all day, so it's not uncommon for me to do a bundle or 2 and then when I wake up I still feel the dope but I'm not high if you know what I mean, but not in WD. Then I take the sub and feel fine (as fine as you can feel on sub after doin a lot of d).

For example last time I took sub was last Weds., well I finally did my last bag at about 2am last night. So I fell asleep about 3am woke up at 8am and immediately took sub. I feel "fine". I mean obviously I don't feel like I want to cuz only dope makes me feel "good" or whatever, but I def ain't in nothin close to WD's.

I can't stand WD so there aint no way Ima wake up at 8am then wait like 15+ more hours til 2am or whatever to take some sub, fuuuuck that. My dude don't know I do d cuz if he did he wouldn't fuck with me so if I show up later tonight all weak, sweaty, and just lookin like death, shit would be short lived. So if I ain't on dope I'm always on subs, pretty much never in WD.
 
I'm pretty sure that you need to have a habit or at least have been doing dope consistently enough where you would feel some w/d symptoms if you stopped for the subs to cause pw. I just don't understand how you could go into withdrawal without being addicted, so having been on a 2-3 day binge and then taking a sub shouldn't give you pw, but at that point, it means you wouldn't have felt w/d symptoms anyways, so what's the point?
 
Does Heroin exist in San Antonio?

I moved to San Antonio from Chicago a little over a year ago where heroin was freely available in open air markets in the ghetto. I have yet to locate this area in San Antonio...Does that type of market even exist in SA?

A simple yes or no will do. I am not trying to source, only trying to focus my efforts!
 
Just gonna pop in and say FUCK taking a shit every 10 mins. I HATE BEING SICK ARGHH. Need more dope now....I hate not having a car. Needs to be tomorrow.
 
DavisK4high247 said:
^^ not sure either ,but i know here they off subs as therapy at a few local area doctors, first they give you subs with the nalaxone or whatever that is a opiate blocker or whatever, then after a week or so they start people on the subs with no Nalaxone or blocking agent shit..it's just the partial opaite agonist/antagonist pill, subutex or whatever, and if someone with no opiate tolerance or whatever took a subutex they would get a buzz, because the subutex contains a opaite that has both opaite agonist(binds to opiate receptors) and the same drug is also a partial opiate antagonist(which means that some of it blocks itself from binding to opiate receptors) but a opaite naive person could still get a buzz of varying degrees on subutex..the subs with the nalax.. shit they would not, IMO.
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Maybe i'm reading this wrong, but it doesn't seem to make sense. In both suboxone and subutex, buprenorphine is the only thing attaching to the receptors.

I have heard about headaches being a problem for people on suboxone before reading it here on this thread a page back. Since the nalaxone is still not binding to the receptors, it must be affecting people in a different way by causing headaches.

People with no tolerance can get a buzz of suboxone, or subutex, it doesn't matter. I was scripted suboxone when I had been clean for a while (told the doctor I was still using so I could get it), and I got pretty high off of it, and was nodding. It's not as euphoric as heroin or oxy, and feels a little "fake", but since it last so long, I never minded.
 
I apprreciate you guys' input regarding suboxone. I have another one: ok, so im just about through kicking/tapering off my heroin habit with suboxone. I will have suboxone left over. If i want to get loaded with my leftover suboxone, how long should i wait, after im done tapering off, and how much should i take?

Maybe this info is pertinent to the question: overview of my habit. Recently, these past few weeks, my habit has greatly diminished. I have only been usually using a dime, maybe two, a day. I used to go through a gram+ a day, but not these past few weeks. Therefore, my tolerance Really fell.. not even a dime would have me nodding for hours... btw, my roa is smoking, if that matters at all.

Input would really be appreciated!
Peace
 
Oh it definitely exist in San Antonio. Keep searching and I promise you will find it!!! I have not been in a couple of months, but I know it has not disappeared :)
 
New York City! Sorry this post made me think of that Pace Picante commercial for some reason. DioIpo, I dont know if you guys(Chicagoans) got that powder Heroin they call #4 or if it is the Tar but I would have to believe the bomb tar would have to be there since you are so close to the borders. I know a guy from that area but he doesnt use H but he said its down there.
 
OpiateGuy said:
What's up chi town? Copped for the first time in a while. Feelin' real good.

As for the last like 4 pages of this thread, can we cut the fucking speculation about all those busts and hijackings and how higher-ups do shit out of here? Damn, that was just a whole bunch of bullshit spewing right and left.
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what speculation? we all read the the charges and know everything about it..they dudes where some of the worst dealers, i mean its embarrassing reading about how they did their work..i mean the one spot was pullin in 3k a day..when you doin that much work you dont be havcing the hypes call your phone

thatboy said:
Hi everyone. New to bl & new to chi. From indianapolis originally. Encouraging to see chi folks here.
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why is it encouraging?
 
what kind of stupid question is this? of course their is...


im not from there but i can prettty much guarentee no their is not an open air there..i mean use common sense and think about it.. the mexicans have more to lose considering if they get popped most of them are getting set back so either get in good with some mexicans or find some biker dudes...

chicago is rare just like NJ and of you look at both places the blacks are the ones on the corners not the latinos..start goin to the shadier bars and i bet you can find a delivery service where the mexicans will bring it to your house..thats the way them cartels do that shit

then again i might be wrong and there is an open air spot but like i said if i had to guess by common sense no there isnt one..and good luck finding powder its gonna be all tar
 
and why would you leave the greatest city in the world in the first place?...especially to not even a cool city in texas..austin dallas and houston all better choices that san an-tone
 
Major MPLS/ST Paul dealer greenlighted?

Anyone hear about a major tar distributor being offed last week by some extremely unhappy suppliers?
 
Does heroin exist in SA? of course. Just go to the "hood" and ask the street people that are loitering. But if you have never copped and youre scared, they likely will find out, and then youre gona get ripped off. Use your head, keep your cool. And for goodness sake, dont wear jewelry or flashy clothes. Also, try to look the part. Dont go dressed like a soft weak ass mark preppy bitch. Feel? Dress like a street person, a grimy motherfucker. Thats how you get a new dealer. If you arent willing to cop off the street, get out the game son.
 
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alteknj said:
That's what I was thinking.. but then again your receptors behave differently 1) when you have a habit and 2) the length of your addiction.

there's a lot of factors here. it might send you into PW.. but maybe not as harsh as someone who has receptors used to opiates.
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You must be a dependent person to experience PW. Bupe has a higher affinity to the receptors thus kicking off the full agonist and throwing the user into instant WD. A non dependent user doesn't WD from lack of, so this action won't affect them.

Most say PW lasts from 30-90 minutes before the bupe takes hold and fixes ya. IME it can last or at least seem to last longer.
 
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