tregar
Bluelighter
Had no mescaline ready, so figured what the heck....
Just when I thought there was no hope for either one, i combined the two and was
seriously impressed with the results, it felt identical to 75ug of acid in every respect.
Took the 3mg of 4-aco-dmt first, then 1/2 hour later, the 300ug of 25i complexed to HPBCD under tongue, music was mind-blowing as was walking out in nature.
tryptamine + pea, this was the closest trip to LSD combining research chems i've ever had without taking actual LSD.
There was none of the sedation or muscle-weakness of 4-aco-dmt (which I absolutely hate), it was an all super incompassing mind-manifesting combination, have not tripped in over 3 weeks, pupils were as big as saucers, confounded that it worked so well. I'm still shaking my head in disbelief.
duration of the trip was about 4 hours.
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During the last 2 hours of the trip, my sp drove me out to the mall, we went shopping for a
new bathing suit, normally I detest going to the mall, but this time, i was in 7th heaven, i was completely taken in with the smells of the cookies and bakery delights in the mall, the colors were amazing, walking into spencers, i heard led zeppelin's misty mountain hop, the music sounded so amazing....the colors and posters glowed with an inner light, i so loved all the tryptamine jewel-like encrested visuals immediately recognized as belonging to the tryptamine and ergoline family, i had complete mobility and the euphoria was constant and astounding. Victoria's secret was the most intensely lit up of all the places, colors super-bold and perfumed smells captivating, the giggles of teen-age girls darting about the place were magnified to incredible hearing levels, I laughed at the absurdity of it all, man what a great time. I could not have had more fun if I had taken 100ug of actual acid. all my senses were magnified to incredible levels, my mind making hundreds of new associations at the speed of light, i was astounded at the level of the trippiness, complete and utter fun. there was a storm outside as we left the mall, and I reveled in nature and the rain.
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It was the most fun i've ever had in a mall, ever. was so impressed with the trip, decided to combine the two into "one" for future use next month--->Took a 1" x 1" blotter #101 filter square cut from a filter disc, sprinkled 3mg of 4-aco-dmt onto the top, then dropped on 300ug of 25i-nbome onto the blotter, the 3mg of 4-aco-dmt dissolved into the blotter along with the 25i-nbome, forming a fully mind-manifesting blotter piece for future use, will give it a go again in a month. The trip last night was one of the low-dose best trips i've ever had in my life, fully visual and completely mind-manifesting and highly euphoric, i know that LSD has both a pea and a tryptamine backbone...this combination of 4-aco-dmt tryptamine and 25i-nbome pea had me completely fooled into thinking i took a 75ug to 100ug actual acid blotter it was that good, top notch, short lasting, and extremely cheap to boot.
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I guess I should explain myself....i've studied the receptor agonism for psilocin...and it is actually very very similar to the receptor agonism for LSD...except for the fact that the 5-ht2A agonism needs to be move up a notch in order to approximate the agonism that LSD has for the receptor...psilocin = 2.14 at 5-ht2A while lsd = 3.54 or so, while the receptor data for 5-ht7, 5-ht6, 5-ht5a, 5-ht1a, 5-ht1e of psilocin is very very similar to that of LSD's...only that psilocin is about 3/4 notch down in intensity as compared to LSD for these receptors.
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p.s. the problem i have with 4-aco-dmt is that it is extremely sedating, which is actually a good thing, as it indicates great power at activating all the various 5-ht1 receptors, the only problem is that the 5-ht2a agonism (which is stimulating) is very very low, all it needs is a "little help" in raising that 5-ht2a agonism...and that's where 25i-nbome comes in, 25i-nbome lacks 5-ht1 agonism (unfortunately, and it is what keeps it from being mind-manifesting)....but it is great at 5-ht2a agonism.....25i-nbome has always been "almost there" as far as being just like acid....only that it lacks 5-ht1a, 5-ht1e, 5-h-ht1d, 5-ht7, 5-ht6, 5-ht2b agonism properties...and that's where the 4-aco-dmt comes in....to contribute what it lacks.
You know how acid has that feeling like you are discovering something "new and exciting" at every turn?....and that fantastic mystical and mind-manifesting mind state? you get all of that when you combine the two....along with no sedation, but rather you are free to roam around and explore...just like with acid...thanks to the 5-ht2a agonism being raised slightly...no more laying on the couch unable to move taking 4-aco-dmt alone...you spring to life with vitality and your brain makes 100's of new connections, it is phenomenal...all for pennies.
p.s. If anyone else tries this, i recommend just dont go crazy on the 25i-nbome dosage, it only needs to contribute a slight effect to the 4-aco-dmt in order to raise it's agonism of 5-ht2a a slight bit, if you overshoot the 25i-nbome by too much, you will end up with a trip like DOI or DOM or 2ce or other synthetics give, which all overstimulate the 5-ht2a receptors over all else, you don't want that, you want the 5-ht2a agonism to come in "midway" or so on the receptor agonism chart, you don't want it overpower 5-ht1a, 5-ht7, 5-ht6 agonism....notice how LSD stimulates 6 other receptors (5-ht1a, 5-ht7, etc.) more powerfully than it does the allmighty 5-ht2a receptor. see Ray for data, i have a link to this in my other threads.
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Just to show that I'm not pulling anyone's leg on the receptor agonism data...take a look at
the agonism of psilocin as compared to LSD...notice the extreme similarity, the only difference is that LSD is "more potent" as compared to psilocin concerning the activation....and that LSD keeps the 5-ht2a agonism "up there" in strength, whereas 4-ho-dmt at 2.14 is just barely above threshold (anything below 2.00 is not really perceptable, whereas 4.00=maximum affinity)
LSD:
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5-ht7 = 3.77.....the novelty receptors, "new & exciting", stimulates new learning, CAMP reward system, dmt = 4.00! max)
5-ht6 = 3.75.....(the novelty receptors, "new & exciting" stimulates new learning, CAMP reward system)
5-ht5a = 3.64
5-ht1a = 3.73.....(5-ht1 make up 80% of the brain's 5-ht receptors!)
5-ht1d = 3.70.....(5-ht1 make up 80% of the brain's 5-ht receptors!)
5-ht1e = 2.62.....(see wikipedia to learn about these receptors...5-ht1e is involved in memory regulation and much more)
5-ht2a = 3.54
4-ho-dmt:
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5-ht7 = 2.82
5-ht6 = 2.82
5-ht5a = 2.83
5-ht1a = 2.88
5-ht1d = 3.40
5-ht1e = 3.03 (mescaline also activates 5-ht1e at this same strength)
5-ht2a = 2.14 (in order to turn psilocin into more of an LSD-style trip) we simply elevate this to "about 2.60 or so" via adding in 25i-nbome at a threshold dose of 300ug.
25i-nbome:
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5-ht2a = 4.00 Nichols found 25i-nbome to be 100 times more powerful than LSD at this receptor, believed to be the "key" to turning on psychedelic activity...p.s. if this is "blocked" in psilocin via knock-out gene mice...scientist found the hallucinogenic activity is also blocked.
5-ht2c = 3.98
5-ht2a agonism strength is important as it imparts visual activation, empathetic insights, psychological strength, euphoria, stimulation, decreases "confusion"/increases lucidity. Mescaline by stimulating the alpha-adrenergic and cardiovascular system receptors is able to effectively do what 5-ht2a agonism is able to do, without even activating the 5-ht2a receptor, give it up for nature! But 5-ht2a receptor activation is "nothing" but visual noise and euphoric fun and a half-ass trip if it is not linked to 5-ht1 receptors, forget about mind-manifestation if you have no 5-ht1/7/6/etc. activation. Just about all the synthetic psychedelic creations of man are heavy on the 5-ht2a activation but seriously lack activating the other important receptors "above" 5-ht2a agonism, hence there downfall...the exception being LSD, the semi-synthetic miracle.
hxxp://www.plosone.org/article/info:doi%2F10.1371%2Fjournal.pone.0009019
We are fortunate in that 4-aco-dmt is a "well-rounded" psychedelic on the RC market, a rare find indeed....well-rounded in that it activates a wide-range of receptors.
Just when I thought there was no hope for either one, i combined the two and was
seriously impressed with the results, it felt identical to 75ug of acid in every respect.
Took the 3mg of 4-aco-dmt first, then 1/2 hour later, the 300ug of 25i complexed to HPBCD under tongue, music was mind-blowing as was walking out in nature.
tryptamine + pea, this was the closest trip to LSD combining research chems i've ever had without taking actual LSD.
There was none of the sedation or muscle-weakness of 4-aco-dmt (which I absolutely hate), it was an all super incompassing mind-manifesting combination, have not tripped in over 3 weeks, pupils were as big as saucers, confounded that it worked so well. I'm still shaking my head in disbelief.
duration of the trip was about 4 hours.
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During the last 2 hours of the trip, my sp drove me out to the mall, we went shopping for a
new bathing suit, normally I detest going to the mall, but this time, i was in 7th heaven, i was completely taken in with the smells of the cookies and bakery delights in the mall, the colors were amazing, walking into spencers, i heard led zeppelin's misty mountain hop, the music sounded so amazing....the colors and posters glowed with an inner light, i so loved all the tryptamine jewel-like encrested visuals immediately recognized as belonging to the tryptamine and ergoline family, i had complete mobility and the euphoria was constant and astounding. Victoria's secret was the most intensely lit up of all the places, colors super-bold and perfumed smells captivating, the giggles of teen-age girls darting about the place were magnified to incredible hearing levels, I laughed at the absurdity of it all, man what a great time. I could not have had more fun if I had taken 100ug of actual acid. all my senses were magnified to incredible levels, my mind making hundreds of new associations at the speed of light, i was astounded at the level of the trippiness, complete and utter fun. there was a storm outside as we left the mall, and I reveled in nature and the rain.
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It was the most fun i've ever had in a mall, ever. was so impressed with the trip, decided to combine the two into "one" for future use next month--->Took a 1" x 1" blotter #101 filter square cut from a filter disc, sprinkled 3mg of 4-aco-dmt onto the top, then dropped on 300ug of 25i-nbome onto the blotter, the 3mg of 4-aco-dmt dissolved into the blotter along with the 25i-nbome, forming a fully mind-manifesting blotter piece for future use, will give it a go again in a month. The trip last night was one of the low-dose best trips i've ever had in my life, fully visual and completely mind-manifesting and highly euphoric, i know that LSD has both a pea and a tryptamine backbone...this combination of 4-aco-dmt tryptamine and 25i-nbome pea had me completely fooled into thinking i took a 75ug to 100ug actual acid blotter it was that good, top notch, short lasting, and extremely cheap to boot.
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I guess I should explain myself....i've studied the receptor agonism for psilocin...and it is actually very very similar to the receptor agonism for LSD...except for the fact that the 5-ht2A agonism needs to be move up a notch in order to approximate the agonism that LSD has for the receptor...psilocin = 2.14 at 5-ht2A while lsd = 3.54 or so, while the receptor data for 5-ht7, 5-ht6, 5-ht5a, 5-ht1a, 5-ht1e of psilocin is very very similar to that of LSD's...only that psilocin is about 3/4 notch down in intensity as compared to LSD for these receptors.
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p.s. the problem i have with 4-aco-dmt is that it is extremely sedating, which is actually a good thing, as it indicates great power at activating all the various 5-ht1 receptors, the only problem is that the 5-ht2a agonism (which is stimulating) is very very low, all it needs is a "little help" in raising that 5-ht2a agonism...and that's where 25i-nbome comes in, 25i-nbome lacks 5-ht1 agonism (unfortunately, and it is what keeps it from being mind-manifesting)....but it is great at 5-ht2a agonism.....25i-nbome has always been "almost there" as far as being just like acid....only that it lacks 5-ht1a, 5-ht1e, 5-h-ht1d, 5-ht7, 5-ht6, 5-ht2b agonism properties...and that's where the 4-aco-dmt comes in....to contribute what it lacks.
You know how acid has that feeling like you are discovering something "new and exciting" at every turn?....and that fantastic mystical and mind-manifesting mind state? you get all of that when you combine the two....along with no sedation, but rather you are free to roam around and explore...just like with acid...thanks to the 5-ht2a agonism being raised slightly...no more laying on the couch unable to move taking 4-aco-dmt alone...you spring to life with vitality and your brain makes 100's of new connections, it is phenomenal...all for pennies.
p.s. If anyone else tries this, i recommend just dont go crazy on the 25i-nbome dosage, it only needs to contribute a slight effect to the 4-aco-dmt in order to raise it's agonism of 5-ht2a a slight bit, if you overshoot the 25i-nbome by too much, you will end up with a trip like DOI or DOM or 2ce or other synthetics give, which all overstimulate the 5-ht2a receptors over all else, you don't want that, you want the 5-ht2a agonism to come in "midway" or so on the receptor agonism chart, you don't want it overpower 5-ht1a, 5-ht7, 5-ht6 agonism....notice how LSD stimulates 6 other receptors (5-ht1a, 5-ht7, etc.) more powerfully than it does the allmighty 5-ht2a receptor. see Ray for data, i have a link to this in my other threads.
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Just to show that I'm not pulling anyone's leg on the receptor agonism data...take a look at
the agonism of psilocin as compared to LSD...notice the extreme similarity, the only difference is that LSD is "more potent" as compared to psilocin concerning the activation....and that LSD keeps the 5-ht2a agonism "up there" in strength, whereas 4-ho-dmt at 2.14 is just barely above threshold (anything below 2.00 is not really perceptable, whereas 4.00=maximum affinity)
LSD:
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5-ht7 = 3.77.....the novelty receptors, "new & exciting", stimulates new learning, CAMP reward system, dmt = 4.00! max)
5-ht6 = 3.75.....(the novelty receptors, "new & exciting" stimulates new learning, CAMP reward system)
5-ht5a = 3.64
5-ht1a = 3.73.....(5-ht1 make up 80% of the brain's 5-ht receptors!)
5-ht1d = 3.70.....(5-ht1 make up 80% of the brain's 5-ht receptors!)
5-ht1e = 2.62.....(see wikipedia to learn about these receptors...5-ht1e is involved in memory regulation and much more)
5-ht2a = 3.54
4-ho-dmt:
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5-ht7 = 2.82
5-ht6 = 2.82
5-ht5a = 2.83
5-ht1a = 2.88
5-ht1d = 3.40
5-ht1e = 3.03 (mescaline also activates 5-ht1e at this same strength)
5-ht2a = 2.14 (in order to turn psilocin into more of an LSD-style trip) we simply elevate this to "about 2.60 or so" via adding in 25i-nbome at a threshold dose of 300ug.
25i-nbome:
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5-ht2a = 4.00 Nichols found 25i-nbome to be 100 times more powerful than LSD at this receptor, believed to be the "key" to turning on psychedelic activity...p.s. if this is "blocked" in psilocin via knock-out gene mice...scientist found the hallucinogenic activity is also blocked.
5-ht2c = 3.98
5-ht2a agonism strength is important as it imparts visual activation, empathetic insights, psychological strength, euphoria, stimulation, decreases "confusion"/increases lucidity. Mescaline by stimulating the alpha-adrenergic and cardiovascular system receptors is able to effectively do what 5-ht2a agonism is able to do, without even activating the 5-ht2a receptor, give it up for nature! But 5-ht2a receptor activation is "nothing" but visual noise and euphoric fun and a half-ass trip if it is not linked to 5-ht1 receptors, forget about mind-manifestation if you have no 5-ht1/7/6/etc. activation. Just about all the synthetic psychedelic creations of man are heavy on the 5-ht2a activation but seriously lack activating the other important receptors "above" 5-ht2a agonism, hence there downfall...the exception being LSD, the semi-synthetic miracle.
hxxp://www.plosone.org/article/info:doi%2F10.1371%2Fjournal.pone.0009019
We are fortunate in that 4-aco-dmt is a "well-rounded" psychedelic on the RC market, a rare find indeed....well-rounded in that it activates a wide-range of receptors.
