6-apb vs methylone

[Jesusgreen]

I think what he's saying regarding the duration is that he would keep going with redosing Methylone to keep a session going longer, and it would provide an easier comedown than if he did the same with MDMA. Personally I found the Methylone comedown horrendous even with a single dose in comparison to clean MDMA, but YMMV.

Regarding how I find time for these experiments. I don't exactly have 100s of experiences under my belt for each compound, so I've had plenty of time to try each. Though iirc I have broken the one month rule 3 times in total, two of those times were just me dosing 1-2 days before the month was over, while the third was a little foolishness that led to me taking 5-APB, MDMA and Methylone all in the same month, something I'd never like to repeat. Currently I'm in the process of potentially upping the one month rule for myself, and don't plan to have my next roll until mid august (which'll be just under 2 months from the previous one).

 

[Nephtys]

I don't exactly have 100s of experiences under my belt for each compound

Rolling balls on mdma/4fa/6apb/etc. is fun, but eventually you want to space it a lot more. People with 100s of experiences fucked a part of the magic we still have :D
The fact you've only broken the rule 3 times is a good thing.

The magic of 6apb and methylone is different. The love magic of the drugs have a different degree of complexity.
Where a nicely timed candyflip (T+0 LSD, T+4 MDMA) has a 10 in complexity of the love magic and best high, 6apb only reaches a 9 in a very good set/setting.
Methylone is a 6.
The advantages of 6apb are huge: long duration, little bit more trippy, no urge to take a lot. Methylone is what we call in dutch a 'slap aftreksel'. They designed it to look like mdma, but it's in fact just a weaker derivate...

Jesusgreen, do you redose with 6apb?
I tend to find the crash of mdma a lot rougher and less enjoyable than 6apb.

 

[Jesusgreen]

I don't redose with 6-APB since I don't feel the need with that duration. I've yet to attempt redosing with MDMA either though, and if you're redosing because of the short duration, but not doing this with 6-APB, then I suspect maybe this is why you find the comedowns harder?

 

[Nephtys]

I don't redose on both
With mdma the minute it kicks in there's always that immediate feeling it is going to end. On 6-apb I feel I still have an eternity left..

 

[Si Dread]

So, are you saying that you have been able to have Longer sessions with BKmdma than MDMA itself? If so, can you please share your secret...bcuz all I have to do is take like 5 MDMA pills and I'll be rolling all night. (This is considering I started with 2, then took 2 more, than 1 final one late in the evening) On bkMDMA, I have taken probably a gram in one night. And while I did get it to last for hours, it certainly doesn't last longer than MDMA. Probably 5 hours is the most I've gotten out of methylone if I had to guess.(but just one dose of m1 only lasts me for an hour, maybe two. A dose of MDMA lasts me a solid 4 hours, maybe less if I have a high tolerence. But then again MDMA is known to be stronger and I always dosed in the high MG range with MDMA) I know alcohol works wonders for both MDMA and bkMDMA so that is my secret. That and a little (or a LOT) of weed on the peak. This will prevent you from ever coming down (And if you do, you won't even notice it much) Of course a little more metylone as well. lol

It's all about tolerance. When I first started doing pills the sensible thing was to keep the doses low & space the usage out as much as possible. I always tried to use the drug in the right envirmonent when in the right state of mind. So basically, I never got caught up spending the weekends wasted, & weekdays recovering. I always, right from the start of my use spaced it all out months apart & only ever took half a pill in a night. This is from back in the early 90's. Obviously, once years & years of research had been carried out on MDMA, & the risks of heavy &/or repeated use became clear, it was obvious that people I knew who hadnt been as cautious had suffered from their use. So I have continued thus, low dosing, long spaces for most of my drugs using life.

Just a bit of background for you.

Now. I suspect that because I have a natural sensitivity to serotonergic compounds, stimulants & psychedelics my doses have been EVEN smaller than other most cautious users & I suspect that my system is effectively undamaged. Studies show that bk-mdma produces about a third of the serotonergic activity of real mdma. So with some experimentation, I found that using the extra low doses of bk-mdma that I would normally use on mdma itself, I could party for 3 times longer & suffer the equivelent degree of hangover.

Originally, I was happy on half a pill per night. My mates would drop an E when they got to a club, & another halfway thru. I'd wait till 2am when the music really started going, then drop a half & that'd do me til home time. I hardly ever "cracked on" with everyone, & if I did I'd sustain on a psychedelic. Normally, I'd just go home. The next weekend, they'd all be out doing it again while I saw a movie or made music etc Once pills started getting big in the mid 90's, I actually found them getting too strong, & at some point around the time of the first Mitzi's, I started QUARTERING my pills, but I did begin dosing four times a night because the music was good from the from the warm up on. It took 10 years to build that tolerance, & sometimes, after a few months off, half a pill in quarters would be fine.

When I started testing bk-mdma I found 50mg too much & afterwards I dropped my doses to around 20mg a time. These lasted about an hour, but each time I "topped up" the duration would increase, because of that stimmy after glow with cathinones, I suspect. This means I have been able to run for 24 hours using little more than 200 or 300mg of bk-mdma & suffering only a day or so of hangover. The rush & peak & buzz & everything of bk-mdma was different but so similar that I was quite happy using bk when my few precious milligrams of mdma sayed locked away.

 

[The King of Beans]

It's all about tolerance. When I first started doing pills the sensible thing was to keep the doses low & space the usage out as much as possible. I always tried to use the drug in the right envirmonent when in the right state of mind. So basically, I never got caught up spending the weekends wasted, & weekdays recovering. I always, right from the start of my use spaced it all out months apart & only ever took half a pill in a night. This is from back in the early 90's. Obviously, once years & years of research had been carried out on MDMA, & the risks of heavy &/or repeated use became clear, it was obvious that people I knew who hadnt been as cautious had suffered from their use. So I have continued thus, low dosing, long spaces for most of my drugs using life.

Just a bit of background for you.

Now. I suspect that because I have a natural sensitivity to serotonergic compounds, stimulants & psychedelics my doses have been EVEN smaller than other most cautious users & I suspect that my system is effectively undamaged. Studies show that bk-mdma produces about a third of the serotonergic activity of real mdma. So with some experimentation, I found that using the extra low doses of bk-mdma that I would normally use on mdma itself, I could party for 3 times longer & suffer the equivelent degree of hangover.

Originally, I was happy on half a pill per night. My mates would drop an E when they got to a club, & another halfway thru. I'd wait till 2am when the music really started going, then drop a half & that'd do me til home time. I hardly ever "cracked on" with everyone, & if I did I'd sustain on a psychedelic. Normally, I'd just go home. The next weekend, they'd all be out doing it again while I saw a movie or made music etc Once pills started getting big in the mid 90's, I actually found them getting too strong, & at some point around the time of the first Mitzi's, I started QUARTERING my pills, but I did begin dosing four times a night because the music was good from the from the warm up on. It took 10 years to build that tolerance, & sometimes, after a few months off, half a pill in quarters would be fine.

When I started testing bk-mdma I found 50mg too much & afterwards I dropped my doses to around 20mg a time. These lasted about an hour, but each time I "topped up" the duration would increase, because of that stimmy after glow with cathinones, I suspect. This means I have been able to run for 24 hours using little more than 200 or 300mg of bk-mdma & suffering only a day or so of hangover. The rush & peak & buzz & everything of bk-mdma was different but so similar that I was quite happy using bk when my few precious milligrams of mdma sayed locked away.

Wow...you've been able to Roll for 24 hours on Methylone...simply from taking 20 mg's additional each hour? That's crazy. I bet you if I tried that, I wouldn't feel a thing from the m1 after the first or 2nd dose. Well I probably wouldn't even feel anything from the first dose. That is so low...I usually try to take at least 250 or 300 mg when I dose it, because I've tried taking less...and while it does still work, it wears off a lot faster (Less than hour) but normally I can get at least twice that long if I take more at once. I guess this is to be explored by everyone, as some people say it is best to take a single larger dose of m1, rather than space it out. I know one thing, I am always mixing it with other stuff, so I am OK normally after the 2nd dose, I am ready to call it a night.


And Jesus, once in every 2 months....precious!