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dzarren

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I'm planning to drop soon and I've just got a few questions.

My plan is to first drop at around 5 or 6 pm and after my peak I'll blaze up a joint. Then later, in the middle of the night after all the effects of the MDMA have worn off, at around 3 or 4 am, I'm gonna blaze up another joint. So I won't be sleeping untill about 6 or 7 am. MY question is when should I dose with the 5-HTP? Should I take it after the MDMA effects have worn off and before the middle-of-the-night-blaze? Or would it be best to take it after the whole night, right before bed time?

I figured since we'll be staying up most of the night, I should dose the 5-HTP before my final blaze, but I don't know if the weed will have any ill effect on the 5-HTP.

Thanks for any replies.
 
Do not dose with 5htp. I've read somewhere that it would kill your roll :/
You take it days prior to your rolling. NOT before. Oh, and after your roll is completely gone you take it.
 
The week before you roll, you can pre-load on 5HTP and take it every day, until about 1-2 days before your roll, for best results.
And to answer your question, take the 5HTP after you've come down off the MDMA completely. It doesn't really matter if you take it before or after you smoke marijuana, I'd take it before you're about to crash and go to bed.
 
Does preloading 5htp actually work? I haven't tried it but I am debating doing it for this weekend.
 
I'm planning to drop soon and I've just got a few questions.

My plan is to first drop at around 5 or 6 pm and after my peak I'll blaze up a joint. Then later, in the middle of the night after all the effects of the MDMA have worn off, at around 3 or 4 am, I'm gonna blaze up another joint. So I won't be sleeping untill about 6 or 7 am. MY question is when should I dose with the 5-HTP? Should I take it after the MDMA effects have worn off and before the middle-of-the-night-blaze? Or would it be best to take it after the whole night, right before bed time?

I figured since we'll be staying up most of the night, I should dose the 5-HTP before my final blaze, but I don't know if the weed will have any ill effect on the 5-HTP.

Thanks for any replies.

my suggestion/experience:

5~6pm - drop 1
7~8pm - smoke a BOWL not a JOINT (smoke too much weed is sketchy)
10~12pm - effect should worn off
1am - smoke a bowl
2~5am - hit the bowl once in a while
6am - take 1 5htp (50mg or 100mg max)
*ADDITIONAL*
7am - smoke a bowl (you'll probably feel like you are in a dream)
8~10am - at this point you should feel tired and sleep easily

i don't really like to smoke a lot of weed while rolling because it makes me paranoid and sketchy so for you it might be a different experience. also, i find taking 5htp first then smoke weed makes me feel like in a dream.
 
Sweet, I think that sounds just about right. I won't be smoking till the effects of the MDMA have worn off pretty well, so I don't think I'll get tooo sketchy.

Thanks.
 
my suggestion/experience:

5~6pm - drop 1
7~8pm - smoke a BOWL not a JOINT (smoke too much weed is sketchy)
10~12pm - effect should worn off
1am - smoke a bowl
2~5am - hit the bowl once in a while
6am - take 1 5htp (50mg or 100mg max)
*ADDITIONAL*
7am - smoke a bowl (you'll probably feel like you are in a dream)
8~10am - at this point you should feel tired and sleep easily

i don't really like to smoke a lot of weed while rolling because it makes me paranoid and sketchy so for you it might be a different experience. also, i find taking 5htp first then smoke weed makes me feel like in a dream.

why pull an all nighter for no reason :\

If i were him i'd take the 5-HTP and some vitamin c around 1-2 and just go to bed.
 
i always pre-dose with 100mg of 5-htp around the same time that i eat my first cap. i've never felt that my trip was any less good because of it. i usually take another 100-200mg before i sleep, and then again when i wake up, and follow that routine for a couple of days after. works for me.
 
For best results, based on both my own experience and forum consensus, take 200-400mg of 5-htp daily for a week or so, up until 1-2 days before the roll.

I achieved AWESOME results by taking 300mg 5-htp 5 days out of the week with continuous 2 day breaks for 3 weeks right up until 2 days before the roll.

God, I actually forgot about that experiment... I would love to organize an improvised study with some willing Bluelighters to see if I could duplicate my experience with someone else.
 
i find taking 5htp while coming down mdma brings the high back... anyone?

It's said to take it AFTER you have completely come down, not while your comedown is starting to happen. I would not risk it as some say it can cause serotonin sydrome and such, just don't try it and never pop 5htp unless you have completely come down.
 
Idk about you guys but to me it seems like a really bad idea to take 5-htp before or during a roll. 5-htp hits your liver than is decarboxylated into serotonin by the Enzyme AAAD with help from vitamin b6 which enables serotonin to cross your blood brain barrier and bind to the 5ht receptors. Call me crazy but it seems like a drug that initially pumps loads of Serotonin into your brain would not mix well with a drug that metabolizes into seratonin...serotonin syndrome anyone? Perhaps lower doses are safe (50 mgs) cuz i know loads of people who preload and are fine. Ive had lots of people tell me to take it before or during and i never felt quite comfortable doing so for the above mentioned reason. From personal experience i generally take it the day after a roll and it helps stabilize my moods. A while bak me and a buddy went through a 1.5 of pure pure molly and after wards at 430 am, 2 hours after our last doses, we decided to take 100mgs each of 5-htp so we could fall asleep...about 20? 30? 40? Minutes later we both developed intense headaches in the frontal lobe and proceeded to puke violently for about 45 mins. After the puking i looked in the mirror and my pupils had dialated again and i felt a bit of a roll and was wide awake. Idk if anyone else has had this experience but it wasnt exactly pleasant, however i didnt have a shitty comedown the next day, so now i grin an bear being up and take the 5htp the day after. thats my 2 cents, i could be way off base with the information mentioned above but hopefully it can be of help to some one.
 
Idk about you guys but to me it seems like a really bad idea to take 5-htp before or during a roll. 5-htp hits your liver than is decarboxylated into serotonin by the Enzyme AAAD with help from vitamin b6 which enables serotonin to cross your blood brain barrier and bind to the 5ht receptors. Call me crazy but it seems like a drug that initially pumps loads of Serotonin into your brain would not mix well with a drug that metabolizes into seratonin...serotonin syndrome anyone? Perhaps lower doses are safe (50 mgs) cuz i know loads of people who preload and are fine. Ive had lots of people tell me to take it before or during and i never felt quite comfortable doing so for the above mentioned reason. From personal experience i generally take it the day after a roll and it helps stabilize my moods. A while bak me and a buddy went through a 1.5 of pure pure molly and after wards at 430 am, 2 hours after our last doses, we decided to take 100mgs each of 5-htp so we could fall asleep...about 20? 30? 40? Minutes later we both developed intense headaches in the frontal lobe and proceeded to puke violently for about 45 mins. After the puking i looked in the mirror and my pupils had dialated again and i felt a bit of a roll and was wide awake. Idk if anyone else has had this experience but it wasnt exactly pleasant, however i didnt have a shitty comedown the next day, so now i grin an bear being up and take the 5htp the day after. thats my 2 cents, i could be way off base with the information mentioned above but hopefully it can be of help to some one.

sounds like mild serotonin syndrome. save the 5-htp for the night after you roll, not the same night
 
sounds like mild serotonin syndrome. save the 5-htp for the night after you roll, not the same night
Thats wat im saying...made a stupid mistake, learned from it, never did it again, only time ive ever taken it the same night, had a shitty come down, was panicky and wide awake during it and made an impulse decision to take 5tp cuz in than manic panicky state i had shitty judgement... My other choices were takin trazodone or remeron which i was aware enough not to touch(i guess i had the option to just grin and bear it but it really didnt register in my mind as an option)
 
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Idk about you guys but to me it seems like a really bad idea to take 5-htp before or during a roll. 5-htp hits your liver than is decarboxylated into serotonin by the Enzyme AAAD with help from vitamin b6 which enables serotonin to cross your blood brain barrier and bind to the 5ht receptors. Call me crazy but it seems like a drug that initially pumps loads of Serotonin into your brain would not mix well with a drug that metabolizes into seratonin...serotonin syndrome anyone? Perhaps lower doses are safe (50 mgs) cuz i know loads of people who preload and are fine. Ive had lots of people tell me to take it before or during and i never felt quite comfortable doing so for the above mentioned reason. From personal experience i generally take it the day after a roll and it helps stabilize my moods. A while bak me and a buddy went through a 1.5 of pure pure molly and after wards at 430 am, 2 hours after our last doses, we decided to take 100mgs each of 5-htp so we could fall asleep...about 20? 30? 40? Minutes later we both developed intense headaches in the frontal lobe and proceeded to puke violently for about 45 mins. After the puking i looked in the mirror and my pupils had dialated again and i felt a bit of a roll and was wide awake. Idk if anyone else has had this experience but it wasnt exactly pleasant, however i didnt have a shitty comedown the next day, so now i grin an bear being up and take the 5htp the day after. thats my 2 cents, i could be way off base with the information mentioned above but hopefully it can be of help to some one.
Hi this has been very helpful to me so thankyou. I've just taken 100mg 5htp < 30 hours after an intense mdma session. How much more should i take in the days following? maybe 1 more pill tomorrow and that's it.. just to stabilize my mood. (i don't want serotonin syndrome or anything)
Any responses welcome!
 
Hello Riz

Everything below should answer your question.

Clearly this guide is written without the knowledge you have just necked a load of pills or crystal and your brain has dumped its load of serotonin. Bare this in mind when absorbing this information.

Due to the additional drain on serotonin supply slight increased dose might be advised.

Taking it along side carbidopa might also be an option. See below for more info.

Personally the worrey about Serotonin Syndrome in my opinion is highly unlikely as clearly stated in this report.



Source http://www.smart-publications.com/articles/5-htp-the-natural-alternative-to-prozac-section-5

Extracts of relevance

How Safe is 5-HTP?

When taking any substance that alters the body's neurochemistry, it is always important to proceed with caution, and 5-HTP is no exception. It is almost inevitable that too high a dose will cause adverse effects, and it is possible that some of these could be serious. Having said this, we should point out that 5-HTP is an exceptionally safe nutritional supplement that has rarely, if ever, been associated with serious problems.

The most common side effects associated with oral 5-HTP are generally related to gastrointestinal upset, including nausea, vomiting, heartburn, and stomach pain. For most people, these tend to be mild and transient. Oral 5-HTP at doses of 100 to 300 mg/day has never been reported to cause significant changes in blood, liver, lung, metabolic, or kidney function.

5-HTP may sometimes cause GI upset, because serotonin (produced from 5-HTP) is a major neurotransmitter in the gut. It has therefore been suggested that people taking oral 5-HTP should also take a drug like carbidopa (called a peripheral decarboxylase inhibitor, or PDI) that prevents the metabolism of 5-HTP to serotonin in the periphery but not in the brain and spinal cord. As a result, less serotonin is produced in the periphery to upset the GI system, and more 5-HTP is made available in the brain to make more serotonin where it is needed most. In essence, the use of a PDI means that a lower dose of 5-HTP can go a much longer way.

Is a PDI really necessary, though? Probably not. 5-HTP has been combined with a PDI in some studies and has been given alone in others. Either way it still raises serotonin levels in the brain, although you may need less 5-HTP when combined with a PDI. A Swiss study of 25 depressed patients found no difference in antidepressant efficacy between those who took 5-HTP alone and those who took it in combination with a PDI. Although the 5-HTP group experienced somewhat more GI side effects, the 5-HTP + PDI group had more psychopathological side effects, such as acute anxiety.

Is Serotonin Syndrome a Concern?

The drugs most commonly associated with serotonin syndrome are those that block the normal metabolism of serotonin -- the MAO inhibitors, the SSRIs, and the tricyclic antidepressants -- and thus increase its availability at certain serotonin receptors. Serotonin syndrome rarely if ever occurs when these drugs are taken by themselves. Rather, it is combinations, such as an SSRI plus an MAO inhibitor, or one of these drugs plus tryptophan, that most increases the risk of serotonin syndrome.

There have been no published reports of serotonin syndrome occurring in someone taking 5-HTP. Nevertheless, there is no reason to think that, given the right combination of drugs and doses, it could not occur. Common sense would dictate, therefore, that 5-HTP be combined with drugs known to affect serotonin metabolism only with the greatest of care and under the supervision of a knowledgeable physician.

5-HTP Dosing Guidelines

The dose of 5-HTP that has most often been reported in the scientific literature and prescribed by physicians is 300 mg per day. When taking 5-HTP for depression, anxiety, or fibromyalgia, the general practice in scientific studies has been to take 100 mg three times a day. This dosing regimen may leave some people too sleepy during the day, however.

Some physicians have found it best to start their patients out by taking 150 to 200 mg at bedtime. If this is insufficient to provide antidepressant/anti-anxiety relief, they can take additional doses of 33 to 50 mg during the day. The number of these doses should be adjusted to a level that provides adequate relief without causing daytime sedation.

If you are taking 5-HTP to enhance sleep, it is probably best to take the entire 300-mg dose at bedtime. The dose used in the best migraine study was 400 mg (100 mg four times per day).34 The dose found to effectively suppress appetite was 900 mg per daily (300 mg three times per day).51 Incidentally, the fact that this very high dose of 5-HTP was used without significant side effects can be taken as an indication of the general safety of this substance.

Different individuals may require higher or lower doses than these, but these are good starting points. As with any drug, it is usually better to start with a low dose and increase it gradually. If you find that a lower dose delivers the therapeutic effect you are looking for, then you can stop there. If the 300-mg dose seems inadequate, you can slowly increase it (preferably under your physician's supervision). In any case, always be alert for adverse side effects. If a given dose makes you feel uncomfortable, either physically or mentally, back off the dose and do not go any higher until you consult with a knowledgeable physician. In most cases, lowering the dose will quickly cause the adverse effects to disappear.
 
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