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48 laws of Power?

Jabberwocky

Jabberwocky

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I’ve researched a lot of Carl Jung which led me to Terrence McKenna and then finally on the 48 laws of power I’m not sure how many people are versed in this but any disclaimers before I keep researching. I like to remain objective
 
You just reminded of something that's been playing on my mind now for a while and for no good or apparent reason either i.e. the six degrees of separation theory.

Don't know anything about the 48 laws of power though. And although the psychonaut fraternity around here will shoot me at dawn for this: it'd be hard for me to be objective about anything that involves or involved Terence McKenna. 😜
 
dalpat077 said:
You just reminded of something that's been playing on my mind now for a while and for no good or apparent reason either i.e. the six degrees of separation theory.

Don't know anything about the 48 laws of power though. And although the psychonaut fraternity around here will shoot me at dawn for this: it'd be hard for me to be objective about anything that involves or involved Terence McKenna. 😜
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This lacks anything remotely close I don’t know how I end up where I do on YouTube sometimes at night. Quick link well it’s 10 hours worth of material but if you got time to kill listen and dm your thought as soon as I post this ima probably be in a frying pan too.
 
FuneralFather said:
This lacks anything remotely close I don’t know how I end up where I do on YouTube sometimes at night. Quick link well it’s 10 hours worth of material but if you got time to kill listen and dm your thought as soon as I post this ima probably be in a frying pan too.
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10 hours? Are you kidding me or what? I had trouble concentrating through all 2:32 of the intro.! 🤣

As to how you got there from 48 laws of power is beyond me too though.
 
I've only read the first couple chapters, but it is a really good book and I've heard great things about it. Very useful for understanding how people work and a lot of the motivations people operate for.
 
pulverstaden said:
combined with a social engineering book and one on body language
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Examples? Not that I've read any of this stuff. But some of the posts here are starting to intrigue me to say the least. Cannot remember the last time I actually read a book though (well other than on botany and the Cocaine Handbook and related reading material and I'm guessing that doesn't really count)! 🤣

I'm a firm believer in this stuff though. And if nothing else: I'd like to compare notes i.e. see just how far I've been able to come without reading the manual first! 🤣
 
dalpat077 said:
Examples? Not that I've read any of this stuff. But some of the posts here are starting to intrigue me to say the least. Cannot remember the last time I actually read a book though (well other than on botany and the Cocaine Handbook and related reading material and I'm guessing that doesn't really count)! 🤣

I'm a firm believer in this stuff though. And if nothing else: I'd like to compare notes i.e. see just how far I've been able to come without reading the manual first! 🤣
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Haha, well, I hadn't either up until a couple of years ago, but I've always found it easy reading body language and vibes in a room - much of what I found in these books comes naturally to me.
I'm not a true believer in Myer-Briggs and star-signs and shit, but I'm INFP and pisces, so should one have the slightest belief in these theories, that explains alot.
I've always loved going to job interviews, and I've always been offered the job I've been applying for if I get some face to face time.
It feels like a sport; mirroring someone until they mirror you, being submissive, dominant - goddamn, it's better than sex.

I found "Social Engineering: The Science of Human Hacking" by Christopher Hadnagy to be superb, although it's the first book I've read on social engineering.​

It doesn't get tedious although it goes quite deep into many aspects.​

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"The Definitive Book of Body Language: The Hidden Meaning Behind People's Gestures and Expressions"​

by Barbara and Allan Pease to be an excellent starting point, but most of it weren't news.​

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Joe Navarro has two great books on body-language; ​

"What Every BODY is Saying" & "Dictionary of Body Language", both of which I preferred to the book by the Pease-couple.​

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I've just ordered these two, though, which are a tad bit more malevolent in their pursuit;

"Manipulation:: Techniques in Dark Psychology, Influencing People with Persuasion, NLP, and Mind Control" by Edward Benedict​

and

"Dark Psychology: Learn the Practical Uses and Defenses of Manipulation, Emotional Influence, Persuasion, Deception, Mind Control, Covert NLP, Brainwashing, and Other Secret Techniques" by Victor Sykes​


Gotta feed the Machiavellian in me, hehe.

I do however think that these things can only be taught to a certain degree, as intuition plays a big role, and that shit is not something you take a crash-course in;
as far back as being like 8-10 I remember I was consciouss of how to conduct myself in certain situations to attain certain goals, and I've never been called out or missed a target yet.
*knockonwood*
 
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Mine's reversed, I never read any philosophy book or whatever, I watched some Alan Watts video outta boredom and shit but for me, real life was my teacher.
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It's the only true teacher anyways.

People babble on about this or that philosopher, and here with the metaphysics and there with the deontology, but it's all fucking talk. There's no true experience in it, so there's nothing to learn really. Only more things to talk and think about. People love to feel smart, even if they know nothing, or read a fucking book about something and suddenly think they're experts.

But unless it's a first hand experience, it's never going to stick. All bullshit mumbo-jumbo to feel smarter. Just look at heroin, good example. 10000+ posts in this forum alone "DON'T DO IT/NEVER DO IT/DON'T EVEN TRY", but there's more and more and more trying it. Why? Because knowledge acquired through another's experience is WORTH SHIT. Until we experienced something through living, we can never really imagine how it really is.
 
pulverstaden said:
Haha, well, I hadn't either up until a couple of years ago, but I've always found it easy reading body language and vibes in a room - much of what I found in these books comes naturally to me.
I'm not a true believer in Myer-Briggs and star-signs and shit, but I'm INFP and pisces, so should one have the slightest belief in these theories, that explains alot.
I've always loved going to job interviews, and I've always been offered the job I've been applying for if I get some face to face time.
It feels like a sport; mirroring someone until they mirror you, being submissive, dominant - goddamn, it's better than sex.
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Hey thanks so much for this. Much appreciated.

That Myber-Briggs stuff: to my utter shock and horror it was pretty accurate in my case (and I really did try to be as objective about myself when answering i.e. sometimes there's a huge disconnect between the way we perceive ourselves, the way other people perceive us, and reality)! Star signs? Dunno. Possibly. Maybe.

I'm with you all the way on the job interviews though. Same here. And it's a big problem nowadays in my opinion. I know for sure in my case that on the few occasions (fortunately) that an application was required I got the job and based 10% on some shit that was written down on paper and 90% because of the interview. Now because everything is online: you don't get that far and most employment agencies don't even exist anymore i.e. all online. So now you're competing with thousands and thousands of written/online applications. For sure it's not working for me (but I've ranted about this already on another thread so I'll not continue to pollute this one).

As for the sport part: again we're on the same page. It's like a challenge huh! 🤣 And much fun too. Especially when you nail it! 🤣 Pretty much just been having this same type of discussion on that men's suit thread. It's all a part of the game.

Anyway. Thanks again. Keen to see the reasons for the "unhinged savage" reference i.e. obviously something I've overlooked in life or missed (but of course never too old to learn a new skill or two as they say in the classics)! 🤣
 
December Flower said:
It's the only true teacher anyways.

People babble on about this or that philosopher, and here with the metaphysics and there with the deontology, but it's all fucking talk. There's no true experience in it, so there's nothing to learn really. Only more things to talk and think about. People love to feel smart, even if they know nothing, or read a fucking book about something and suddenly think they're experts.

But unless it's a first hand experience, it's never going to stick. All bullshit mumbo-jumbo to feel smarter. Just look at heroin, good example. 10000+ posts in this forum alone "DON'T DO IT/NEVER DO IT/DON'T EVEN TRY", but there's more and more and more trying it. Why? Because knowledge acquired through another's experience is WORTH SHIT. Until we experienced something through living, we can never really imagine how it really is.
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So are you saying I'm just a nice person and that's all there is to that and nothing I can do about it? 🤣
 
dalpat077 said:
So are you saying I'm just a nice person and that's all there is to that and nothing I can do about it? 🤣
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Well yeah, long stretch, but the same principle. No knowledge about being too nice to people will let you stop being nice to people. You're going to say "but I like being nice" - until somebody fucks you over for being too nice, or something bad happens to someone you've been nice to because you've been too nice(you did all their homework, for example, but now they're too stupid for the tests) and you had that first hand EXP.

I just don't believe in "book smarts". Don't get me wrong, I've read literally thousands of books. But it's just some information spinning around in your brain, there's no real footing, yknow. Said information is only a small factor, and it's only a projection of our own learned thoughts on the subject.
 
dalpat077 said:
Hey thanks so much for this. Much appreciated.

That Myber-Briggs stuff: to my utter shock and horror it was pretty accurate in my case (and I really did try to be as objective about myself when answering i.e. sometimes there's a huge disconnect between the way we perceive ourselves, the way other people perceive us, and reality)! Star signs? Dunno. Possibly. Maybe.

I'm with you all the way on the job interviews though. Same here. And it's a big problem nowadays in my opinion. I know for sure in my case that on the few occasions (fortunately) that an application was required I got the job and based 10% on some shit that was written down on paper and 90% because of the interview. Now because everything is online: you don't get that far and most employment agencies don't even exist anymore i.e. all online. So now you're competing with thousands and thousands of written/online applications. For sure it's not working for me (but I've ranted about this already on another thread so I'll not continue to pollute this one).

As for the sport part: again we're on the same page. It's like a challenge huh! 🤣 And much fun too. Especially when you nail it! 🤣 Pretty much just been having this same type of discussion on that men's suit thread. It's all a part of the game.

Anyway. Thanks again. Keen to see the reasons for the "unhinged savage" reference i.e. obviously something I've overlooked in life or missed (but of course never too old to learn a new skill or two as they say in the classics)! 🤣
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Hehe, no problem my man!

LIke I said, I'm quite skeptical to Myer-Briggs, no matter how "precise" I've seen it struck on friends and myself - but there is SO much more to a person than a caricature of one's traits.
And regarding stars and shit - very skeptical. Haha.

Yes, I know! Worse than written are fucking phone-interviews! HOW THE FUCK I'M I GOING TO SWAY YOU IF I CAN'T READ YOUR MICRO-EXPRESSIONS!?

I do believe @December Flower raises a good point though - books only gets you so far. It's like reading a book on muay thai and then thinking that one can enter a dome and throw and roundhouse heel-kick based on theory.
It does sound as though you have practiced this IRL, considering that you also enjoy a good head to head with an interviewer. I can seldom apply it in writing though - I need to see the person.

Oh, the "unhinged savage" comes when you get the mental equivalent of a rectal prolapse.
Some event that makes you realize that being nice is a perfectly fine trait, but with people being animals and some predatory to the core, nice isn't gonna cut it -
sometimes you need to be merciless, insidious and occasionally, in lack of better words, display and employ relentless fucking savagery. 🤣

I believe everybody has the same capacity for being an "unhinged savage", just as everybody has the capacity for endless kindness and compassion.

But again, like @December Flower said, you can't read about vicious and monstrous acts and become a monster; it's only through experience that you can really see what kind of savage you are.

DEF NOT sayin' "go out and fuck a bitch up", but if you're "lucky" (this can be argued, of course), you'll get in a situation in which this shadowy-self of you can grow its teeth and you'll come out in on piece. It's a terrible thing to say, but the whole fucking world is the Serengeti - lions & gazelles, predator & prey - and that's not necessarily physichal.
It's a mental state of mind aswell - the worst fucking predators comes in suits & ties.

But fuck do I know, really? Haha.
 
December Flower said:
Well yeah, long stretch, but the same principle. No knowledge about being too nice to people will let you stop being nice to people. You're going to say "but I like being nice" - until somebody fucks you over for being too nice, or something bad happens to someone you've been nice to because you've been too nice(you did all their homework, for example, but now they're too stupid for the tests) and you had that first hand EXP.

I just don't believe in "book smarts". Don't get me wrong, I've read literally thousands of books. But it's just some information spinning around in your brain, there's no real footing, yknow. Said information is only a small factor, and it's only a projection of our own learned thoughts on the subject.
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Well. I think I'm nice. I know I could introduce you to at very least a few dozen people in real life that'd disagree. Not to mention a forum member or two or three (probably more). But there you go. I reject your (their) reality and substitute it with my own (we're all familiar with that one I'm sure)! 🤣

The above notion or school of thought probably covered in some of these books. I just want to make sure they got it right is all! 🤣

Not to be morbid or take the thread off topic: but it's something I've always wondered about when someone dies. Have you ever been to a funeral or memorial service where the mourners have said "well he was a down and out cunt"? Not that I've been to many or witnessed many. Just something that's always struck me. While some dude is alive and kicking people are laying into him from all sides. And in some cases the said person was just that i.e. a cunt while alive. But dead: all of a sudden they become angelic and could do no wrong! 🤣 I think the only other person in the world that's openly addressed this is Bill Burr! 🤣
 
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