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(4-HO-MiPT/50 mg) - Fourth Time - Extreme Distortion

Kaleida

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This was my fourth experience with 4-HO-MiPT, though it's my first time making a trip report about it here. I had used it previously at 20, 25, and 30 mg, and at all of these doses I had found it to be a subtle psychedelic, producing a mixed body load with euphoria but also some muscle tension and nausea without any very significant psychological effects aside from empathy and only mild waving visuals around the borders of objects or textures. My favorite thing about it so far had been the way it enhanced my imagination, making it much more colorful and erotic, so I was wondering if this effect would increase to something more overt at 50 mg. Much to my surprise, it seemed that the drug had something very different in store for me.

My previous experience with psychedelics includes Psilocybe cubensis, Ipomoea tricolor, Argyreia nervosa, bufotenin, DMT, LSD, 2C-B, 2C-I, DOC, 4-AcO-DMT, 4-HO-MET, 4-AcO-MET, 4-HO-DET, 4-AcO-DET, 4-HO-MPT, 4-HO-DPT, 4-HO-MiPT, 4-HO-DiPT, 4-AcO-DALT, MiPT, DiPT, DALT, and at least a couple of unidentified things.

Unfortunately, unlike my previous trip reports, I did not manage to take any notes with timestamps this time around. To be honest, I was nowhere near expecting the intensity of this trip which was several times greater than at 30 mg, not a linear dose response at all. For that reason I went into it expecting to be able to just take notes casually, but I ended up becoming so immersed in the experience that that just never happened. Consequently, I will have to describe this trip entirely from memory, so please forgive me if anything has escaped me now.

It was early in the morning and I had the apartment to myself, and I had the desire to take something psychedelic. I had 4-HO-DET lined up for my next really heavy trip, but I wasn't really looking for that kind of experience this time around. I figured that since 30 mg of 4-HO-MiPT had still been completely lucid for me, 50 mg shouldn't be that hard to handle alone (haha). I weighed it out, dumped it in a gel capsule, and down the hatch it went.

Most notable to me at first was that the capsule seemed to drastically slow down the onset from how I'm used to eating it just straight; I'd normally feel that kicking in hard within about fifteen to twenty minutes, but this time at about an hour I was honestly starting to wonder if the chemical had somehow degraded despite the fact that it still looked completely white. However, just as I was having these thoughts, I moved my hand and there they were: tracers, tracers, and tracers of tracers. They went from nothing to almost blinding, creating too many copies to see through the spaces of, stacking upon each other, and just floating in front of me wherever I tried to look. I started to become anxious that I had gotten myself into more than I had prepared for, and I stood up to try to gauge my situation. As I did so the floor pulled down into itself as if I was heavily dissociated, and it became clear to me just how hard this was hitting me as I began to feel the clarity about my situation or past memories starting to slip away as well.

So far the intensity of the detachment that it was hitting me with was comparable to the same dose of 4-HO-MPT, but I had been in a better situation to let go at that time then I was now, and my gut told me that I should do something to cut the intensity just a little bit. I ended up taking a few sips of wine as the trip was still reaching its full peak, and it did nothing to hinder the intensity of the sensory overload, but it did help me stay a little more lucid and relaxed than I had been before. About that sensory overload though, things were really starting to go crazy. There was still surprisingly few open eye visuals for me at this point aside from the aforementioned tracers and the now quite heavy waving of all surfaces, but they made for a powerfully disorienting combination, and at the same time my audio perceptions were actually heavily distorted as well and echoed to a point that it was extremely difficult to tell what was or was not happening around me, especially outside where I could hear but not see things. It was also very difficult for me to enjoy any bodily euphoria which was occurring at that point because I was also getting some gastrointestinal distress which was intensified to the point that my I just felt really physically twisted up and uncomfortable. It was a hard peak, but I knew it would pass eventually, so I tried to make the most of it.

I closed my eyes for a bit and noticed that there was light tryptamine hyperspatial imagery unfolding, of a similar to style to what I have also experienced on 4-HO-MET and 4-HO-MPT, but less vivid or developed. It was interesting to see, but not enough to keep me captivated for more than a moment. While staring around the room with eyes open I was eventually able to make some geometric patterning emerge as well, transparent but detailed, which was again similar to but less complex than those other two tryptamines. Notably, those two both also include vivid imagery of faces and things like vines among their geometry when it is this active, but 4-HO-MiPT was lacking for me in this way. Probably the most interesting visual effect it did have for me was that it produced sort of a "mind's eye visual" I have also gotten from 4-HO-DET and 4-HO-MPT, one which starts with a "twisted tunnel" geometric effect that is brightly colored in a way that reminds me of meditation-induced out-of-body experiences, and it has led to those types of visionary effects on the others, but did not reach that intensity this time. However, despite the visual simplicity of it, I believe that this combined with the fact that it took me to that point at all is still just another great example of its subtle power.

Aside from the visual effects, there was a very typically psychedelic mindset that had me thinking overly emotionally about many different aspects of life, which would have been fantastic if it were the kind of thing I was looking for. I believe that 4-HO-MiPT, at least the way it works in me, would likely make an excellent ally to anyone who is currently using psychedelics in order to have these kinds of philosophical thoughts and new perspectives, but at the moment I don't really feel that that is what I need out of tripping. Most of the thoughts that I had were just review of things I've thought through before and already started integrating into my life in a more levelheaded fashion. But, I suppose it was a good reminder of some things.

Eventually, once the sensory overload finally started to die down, things started to get easier and nicer. My somatic discomfort went away and was replaced by a general numbness and the occasional feeling of energized euphoria. Strangely, despite one very interesting fantasy I had that did not really seem outside the realm of what any tryptamine could do, I had no particularly erotic effects from 4-HO-MiPT this time around. I did however have some good tactile enhancement, and taking a hot bath turned out to be a wonderfully blissful experience. I stayed in there for a good while just thinking about the trip and how it effected me and what choices I am making in my life right now, and I didn't get out until it finally started to get a little cold on me. I had a similar dissociated feeling to when I first stood up hit me once I got out of the water too, reminding me of just how altered I really still was, even though I seemed to mostly be thinking and perceiving rationally again.

In the mid afternoon my roommate got home from work, and at this point I started happily discussing the trip with him. I was also in the process of taking out the trash when he arrived, and should note that the outside world was beautiful, but very, very bright. Anyway though, after my roommate got settled in he decided to put on one of his favorite show's musical episodes, and as soon as the TV first came on I noticed something suspicious: the startup sounds did not sound like the correct notes. I waited for the episode to start up, and sure enough, the main actress's voice was shifted downward in pitch, and the instrumentals sounded just slightly wrong. Having just experienced this on my previous trip sixteen days ago, I immediately recognized this as the same sort of audio distortion that is produced by DiPT. No wonder sounds were so hard to understand earlier on on top of all the other psychedelic distortions!

We finished watching the show about seven hours after I had initially dosed, and by that time her voice and other sounds had returned to normal. My roommate and I had been smoking cannabis slowly since he arrived and this had pumped up some of the patterning and stimulation from before as well, but we had stopped part of the way into the episode and now I was feeling mostly down, aside from a lingering body high. I considered this to be the effective end to the experience, and stopped trying to find more effects afterward.

In the end, I thought this was a fascinating experience, but I have little to no desire to repeat it. As I said, the headspace is simply not what I am looking for the most right now, and the intensity of it is something that I can appreciate just after this one go with it, and I can get stronger visuals of a similar nature with other tryptamines that I prefer more. Actually, I was quite surprised that 50 mg of 4-HO-MiPT did not even manage to be as hallucinogenic as the same amount of MiPT for me. But, despite that, I can still appreciate it for being the very powerful psychedelic that it is, and as I mentioned, I do think that it would be a wonderful tool for what it's good for. The whole head trip reminded me very much of both mushrooms and 4-HO-DiPT, very emotional and intellectual in that way.

I only have enough 4-HO-MiPT left for one less than 50 mg dose, and I suspect that this may be my last opportunity to try it unless it just happens to find me again. I have to say though that I find the lower dose effects to be much more enjoyable and positive on my mind, so I am excited to save it for when the time is right and give this chemical the proper send off it deserves. This is a psychedelic that is subtle enough to be nearly as social as MDMA for me at lower doses and ego crushing on a level comparable to LSD and 4-HO-MPT for me at higher doses, and that is something I think is quite an accomplishment. Treat it with respect, and it will respect you back.

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Great report as usual. :) I love this drug, but the highest I've taken it is 30mg. I'm also close to out of mine, though I will try to find more sometime because I love it so much. I think I will probably give somewhere in the realm of 40-50mg a try. I did get that huge tracer effect from it once, when I took 30mg about 8 hours into a DOC trip... actually that was my best trip on it, I still want to write a report on it but it's been over 4 months and the content was very personal and probably difficult to describe. Hmm, I actually did take notes right afterward, I think I'll put it on my list of things to work on this week while I'm visiting my family and am on vacation from work. It was so visual and so psychedelic, but in a centered and psychological/emotional way, and it really helped me to coalesce all of the things I've been working on in myself over the past 2 years into a fully conscious and intentional growth in my thought processses.
 
Thanks again! :D I'd really love to read that report if you do get around to writing it. :) I have no doubt that the combination would be intense.... This 4-HO-MiPT trip may have actually given me my strongest tracers aside from what I got with DOC, so I can definitely imagine that getting wild! I really do enjoy 4-HO-MiPT at around 30 mg too, that was the first dose I took with new friends and it was a wonderful night, very lucid and refreshing with calm, electric visuals. I will miss it when it's gone, but I think it's served a good role in my life already.... As my first actual synthetic tryptamine I used besides 4-AcO-DMT, it will always hold a special place in my heart. I would love to use it more at that level if it ever came around again, but for now my main interests lie elsewhere. But, in the meantime, I would definitely be interested to hear what you think about it at a higher dose when you do try that too! :)
 
Thanks for the report Kaleida.

looks like the trip was a bit too intense for what you were wanting to get out of it, am i reading into this right?

it appears for someones first time 10-20 mgs, and for those experienced wanting to enjoy it casually with no ego death/way too intense-- 20-30 mgs , from what I gather , just listen to body and gauge effects
 
Sure thing. :) It was definitely more intense than I was expecting, yes. I have taken it up to 30 mg and it was definitely not half as intense as this, not even close. I wasn't really expecting anything in particular out of this dose though; I'm actually just currently working on my personal goal of taking each 4-hydroxy tryptamine at at least 50 mg, to understand them better. I don't really have any desire to take this dose again, but it definitely was a learning experience that I'm happy to have had this once. I still need to take 50 mg of 4-HO-DiPT as well and this experience has gotten me especially intrigued but also a little anxious about what that will be like.... Surely it will be quite an adventure!
 
I can relate to the notion of wanting to format the trip report with time stamps and taking notes during the trip, since my ~8mg DOPr trip was the same way.

On that note, that substance is strong as fuck (in a good way).

Nice report. Yeah, the breathing/waving effect is very pronounced with miprocin, which is extremely similar to my past mushroom trips. It's interesting that I've also heard much about the erotic nature of miprocin, although personally I haven't really gotten that effect at any dose; sucks for me, but at the same time it wasn't what I was aiming for anyway. Though I'm sure it's still awesome for that concerning everyone else besides me, since I can see how it would have that potential.

Heh, I wasn't going to come on here (even if it takes seconds on my phone) since ya, it's technically Sunday night, but I meant Sunday PM. =D

However, I'll be going on a real break from here within the next week...going to focus on tripping and making reports on them. Plus...holiday let-loose, go-crazy time!

Yeah, I tried listening to music on miprocin as well, and it does sound distorted and different in a not-so-good way. Like the notes stretch out and sound odd.

I do agree that so much seems to be happening...I'm not sure how it's like on your end, but mine...the best analogy I can think of is being asleep while there's a world-ending apocalypse going on right outside my window. Depending on what's really going on, I feel like that might be accurate because I may just be that much out of the loop. I'm probably the person with the least 'inside scoop' on Earth, although those tidbits don't ever reveal anywhere close to the whole picture, so that's that.

Indeed, I find that any body load that disappears in a change of set+setting is definitely psychosomatic ime.

(I've been thinking quite a bit too; besides trying to figure out the mysteries that keep piling on me because of my ridiculous sense of awareness, which seems to be a curse more than anything. But I also harbor a huge amount of cluelessness because I hate it when my assumptions are wrong, even if it's once. So I do my best to squash it. Then whenever my assumptions are right, I pretty much regret my actions that go against that. Ugh, where's the middle ground...??)

Yeah, miprocin is definitely capable of producing ego loss, which is what I'm aiming for this time. The headspace is surreal; it's so hard to connect sentences together, but the thoughts that surface are so basic that I think they are lost on us when we reach adulthood, or even adolescence as we start to focus on the specifics and get lost in them, so to speak. So they seem like epiphanies, and act as pivotal reminders of why we do what we do.

Anyway, those are my thoughts about your report. As Xorkoth said, they are great as usual. The community really is awesome here, bar none. :)
 
Thanks so much. :) And yeah, you can plan a trip however you like but sometimes the substance just has other plans for you lol. I like a taste of real power every now and then though.

I get a lot of waving on mushrooms too, but I actually thought that the tracers of 4-HO-MiPT this time were even more similar to what I get from them. They did not have this same spinning sensation that to them that I get from both mushrooms and DMT, but the way that they just constantly emerged from everything and how they looked as they trailed behind things were very similar. It was an intense visual effect, I actually haven't had tracers of that magnitude even from those natural tryptamines in quite some time....

That is interesting too, as I found the lack of erotic effects in this trip to be very notable. On MiPT, 4-HO-DiPT, and also 4-HO-DET so far I have experienced a very specific pro-sexual effect which has always been accompanied by its own unique, consistent perceptual distortions and has always come on completely unprovoked, like I go from normal to just really feeling it out of nowhere. I had really thought that what I felt on lower doses of 4-HO-MiPT might have been a less active version of this effect, but it failed to manifest at any level during this trip. It surprised me because the way that 4-HO-MiPT facilitated erotic fantasies when I initiated them myself at lower doses really resembled the most sexual visual effects of MiPT too, but now I'm starting to think that that could just be because they both also share a certain manic excitement with 4-HO-MET and 4-HO-MPT which causes all of them to be potentially erotic through the way that they enhance self-confidence, in addition to producing orgasmic body highs, and beyond that they just have similar sensory alterations probably because of the MiPT base. Perhaps notably, I also found less of this in 50 mg of 4-HO-MET than I did in 20-35 mg, so maybe there is some kind of connection? I would expect 4-HO-MiPT to act similarly to 4-HO-MET in the brain in quite a lot of ways given that the ethyl and isopropyl are even the same length, and I did find them I would say mostly more comparable than either are to 4-HO-MPT. Intense audio distortion is actually something I've gotten on 4-HO-MET too, though not with the DiPT-like pitch drops mixed in.

Interesting thoughts on life. I also feel that it's a bit scary how much is going on in the world and how little we can really know even if we can get to the point where we feel we can assume to know a lot. I used to think about those things a lot and this was that kind of trip that was making me think about life in those ways again, but I feel like I've really gotten what I can out of those thoughts at the moment. I feel that acknowledging them and accepting them is better than revisiting them continually.... I only drive myself crazy when I do that too much. This is what I was referring to in the other thread when I said it was a "difficult, life lessons" kind of trip too. I think the primary cause of it was really just the fact that the overload became so intense that the trip felt like it was more about withstanding the heavy load to make something of it rather than just enjoying getting into it and having fun, so afterwards I was feeling much more contemplative than just like content. Again, a very useful kind of experience, but I still think I prefer it at lower levels. I am still up for trips of that kind sometimes, but mostly only if they also give me powerful hallucinations at that point to make it really worth it. I do have to say that again that 4-HO-MiPT really was notable in the level of distortions of everything it caused too, but that's really just not the most interesting effect to me. And I would try dosing higher to see what its hallucinations can really do too if I thought I could, but quite frankly I'm terrified of how strong it would be for me by then....

Oh, also, about the body load, all 4-substituted tryptamines for me do provide a body load of tremors that seem to be relate mostly to my set and setting at the time, but I have to say that I've so far noticed that all isopropyl tryptamines seem to give me a physical body load as well. MiPT, 4-HO-MiPT, DiPT, and 4-HO-DiPT all seem to consistently cause varying levels of nausea or stomach problems in me that other similar psychedelics do not, though on MiPT I felt mostly better after a DMT-like purge occurred. 4-HO-MiPT also seems to cause more muscle tension for me than other tryptamines even at 20 mg, so I wasn't really too surprised at how much discomfort I had to work through at first on this dose. It is unfortunate because I think it hinders my enjoyment of the drug somewhat, but I have other tryptamines whose psychedelic effects I enjoy more anyway. If I ever was to return to this dose though, I absolutely would not do so without having some nitrous oxide around.... On the peak of this trip I wanted some like my life depended on it. I think that would definitely help significantly with both the bodily effects and the sensory overload, it tends to help things settle for me.

And yeah, the ego loss was impressive.... It really took me by surprise compared to the level of patterns and everything. Though I don't really feel the need to take 4-HO-MiPT again at this level, it is worth saying I think that it really has served as a big push for me towards a new kind of psychedelic mindset that I feel like I've been entering lately. All of these tryptamine experiences I've been having over the last couple of years have really been giving me insight into my mind and into the one 5 g mushroom experience I've ever had so many years ago, back when it and DMT were still the only tryptamines I had ever used. It's fascinating to me because thinking back on it now I can recognize in it both an early version of a now much more visually advanced unique dissociating effect that I have recognized only in the symmetrical tail synthetic 4-substituted tryptamines I've tried (DMT, DET, DPT, DiPT, and DALT), and the unique hyperspatial methyl tail visuals that I have only otherwise seen in the asymmetrical tail ones (MET, MPT, and MiPT), and it just makes sense that it would be the one thing that combines those two things I love. I'm thinking that it's about time that I start working with mushrooms and 4-AcO-DMT again after so long.... LSD has traditionally always been my favorite of the classic psychedelics, but with my new perspective I'm honestly starting to think that psilocin could be better suited for my purposes now. I actually think that 4-HO-MPT, 4-HO-DMT, and 4-HO-MET could turn out to be my three favorite psychedelics in the end, possibly in that order....

Anyway, I hope you enjoy your break when it comes. :) And I hope you are well during it.... And thanks again for the comments!
 
Heyy, thank you. And no problem, I had been interested in your reports anyway. They certainly add to the quality of the forum here too, which is a nice bonus. :)

That's very interesting. I've actually never gotten tracers, except from mdma and lightshows. So are they the same as what I think they are? Basically, from what I know, when an object moves (or light in my case), it leaves the same imprint in your field of vision no matter where you look (or even with your eyes closed). Except with my situation, the light has to move fast enough for the tracers to fully develop and become imprinted, anywhere from a couple seconds to less than a minute. It's probably not the same, but since I've never gotten that from psychedelics I'm trying to see what you're seeing. =]

Yeah, there certainly are some connections between these 4 subs. I've also tried metocin (4-ho-met) and it was very similar to miprocin, except a lot more visual/colorful/bright and a 'funnier' headspace, in a way. It was light and wasn't conducive for deep reflection in the sense that it's comparable to sobriety ime, although I have to say (<- I got this phrase from you, thanks because I'll be using it now, heh) it's my cup of tea. It had a positive mood shift ranging from smiles to laughing at nothing, basically.

Humans are sexual creatures by nature, of course, but I guess I'm not too open here so I don't really mention it in relation to my trips. However, that DOPr...lol, there's a definite energy towards that direction, pretty much on every trip including my 8mg trip, and it was the kind where I'm just trying to ignore it but then it keeps building up. I didn't get this effect from any of the tryptamines or lsd at all in that way. The latter is probably because I mostly tripped with friends every time, so the setting isn't ideal. We'd be doing stuff like smoking herb, playing around randomly and talking, watching movies, etc. Although I'd hear shouts of "I'm horny!" and it just makes me chuckle. But then my psych friends are really laid back and just mess around like that anyways, even when they're sober. :) I'm actually going to trip with them later in the week, and it's been a while since I have even seen them. It's because I've been busy though, so I'm the one who's been mia since I know they all still chill and trip every other weekend or so.

But anyway, yeah, if the setting is right then I'm sure it can bring out that energy. Yeah, the body high is insane. They're like weed brownies in strength except a notch or two higher, and of a different element. Along with the pull from the mental energy of thoughts and imagining certain things or situations, I can see how these 4 subs are well suited for that. On that note, in reference to your DOC report, I'm wondering if DOC is like DOPr in that way too. I'll be finding out soon though! I have high hopes for DOC. I could've taken it earlier in the summer, but I specifically saved it for near the end. :)

Ah yeah, I actually have like a million thoughts on life so I could go on for a while lol. My friends used to tell me that I say too much important stuff all at once, and I do think a lot even though I probably don't seem like I do, and I'm sure it has to do with my quietness in person. So for example, I'll be quiet for like 30 min straight and then all of a sudden, if I feel like the timing is right,
I'll just start talking about all of this stuff about whatever topic everyone is on, and they're like, "damn." But that's only because I've been hoarding all of my previous comments beforehand. :)

Obviously you don't know this, but I'm pretty quiet in person. And as they say, the quiet ones think a lot, so I fit that description unless I'm comfortable with you, and then I'll leave a huge diatribe for you to ponder about. I can actually speak very well when I feel like it, lol, and hold normal conversations in normal situations.

Ah, it's okay. Yeah, miprocin at a very high dose is a world of difference than the standard 20-50mg. Sensory overload for one, and two, the sudden drop off is probably the most jarring aspect of it. To hear it be told doesn't do it justice, because when it happened to me I thought it was too extreme. And I'm the type who loves (or loved) the 'scariest' roller coasters, rollerblading down a steep hill about a block long, going to abandoned, haunted asylums, etc etc. None of those things come close to how I felt when I became immobilized from that miprocin trip. So ya, I don't blame you for not wanting it, since it's past recreation at that point and all about seeing what that level has in store for your psyche. I'm definitely searching for some kind of subconscious realization that I might be missing, which I can take away with me before I stop my participation. Self-improvement never stops for me, and even so, I feel like I have a long way to go despite how many people (who know me well) think I'm at a good level already. Basically, I want to take an ego loss trip with me as I get used to sobriety again. I know it'll teach me something good once more, as these revelations are most helpful for that one person alone. :)

Yeah, I can definitely see how you think a lot and analyze like I do, albeit in a different way...for my part, one of the reasons why I know I have at least a mild form of insomnia is because there's just so much to do, so much to think about and so little time to do everything I want to do. So I end up staying awake doing the things that I want, which tend to be analyzing, thinking and learning new things. That's pretty much how I would spend my time late at night, especially before I got on here on BL. So I can relate to the sensory overload situation; I'd spend those late nights analyzing and trying to figure out things: usually from recalling past events that are related and seeing the possible connections (even the slow and arduous deduction method), separating myself from judgments to see if I can get a different angle, thinking about what someone said and trying to understand why they said it and the list goes on. This is actually how I would mix some of my intuition with it and supposedly 'figure' things out that I can't really possibly know, yet that means to me that it had that much of an impact if it has me doing all of this to sort things out. So I can very much relate to you in this way; all I ever wanted was to be normal and be considered like everyone else, except so many people never saw all of the hardships and unfairness that I endured starting from elementary, which made me become someone who decided to stand for what I believe in, and defend people who I've seen the same hopelessness inside of. I'm sure this is the base of how I've connected with you in the first place. I've also done this to people I only met once, and then many times I never saw them again. It didn't matter to me though; I did it to uphold my own beliefs and affirm them to myself, with little to no care that I was acknowledged for it, on top of the fact that I was rarely acknowledged for it anyways.

But yeah, damn it, I knew I would say too much. Thank you for the well wishes, and I wish the same for you too. I'll be checking back around Christmas Eve, since I've decided to break from here until then. Remember to spend quality time with all of your friends and family during this time of the year, and also here too lol. I'll be taking my own advice as well. :) thanks for your comments too.
 
I know that Kl519 has left the forum now, but I still wanted to respond to this particular inquiry....

The tracers described above are simple light tracers of the kind that I've also gotten from MDMA. On psychedelics, the tracers provided are more like full visual frames failing to completely update and erase themselves behind moving objects, giving the impression that there are severally increasingly transparent copies of the object behind it in its past line of movement. They are pretty all-encompassing and can also form behind hallucinogenic movements like warping and shifting surfaces or completely hallucinated objects or entities, and they can actually distort reality pretty severely. Something I've started to realize lately is that there seems to be a significant connection in my trips on these tryptamines and LSD between the amount of tracers I'm getting and the intensity of ego loss I'm experiencing. They're a very intriguing effect that can become extreme when pushed far enough....
 
Great report.... I can relate :-)

I took 35 last night and was completely blown out of this world... to the point i lost myself, i was without the name given me, ego loss plus 4.... to say the lease... Visual where multi layered, seeing thru the walls and back again... i do have to say, i experienced multidimensional reality time shift into a 5th dimensional love space... there was no more duality, just newness present, moving objects from one wall the the other.

One of the best trips of my life....
Next week i'll try out 250,300 ug of ald-52... i can only hope it is deeper then 4-HO-MiPT (fumarate) (Miprocin)....:-)
kindest Regards
 
Thanks so much. :) I definitely was not expecting it to be nearly as intense as it was. Since writing this report, I have been remembering a few more things about the trip here and there.... I recall that there was a point where the sensory overload was so intense that I felt like I was seeing things on a nearly microscopic level, and it wasn't just that I was seeing it at that point, but that I was acutely aware of every detail of it as I was also registering the visual distortions that were vividly present around everything even at that scale. The only other psychedelic so far that has taken me that far out is LSD, though LSD feels much smoother to me in comparison to this. I get the feeling that a lot (or all) of the body load I experienced at the beginning of this 4-HO-MiPT trip probably was related to that extreme level of sensory stimulation, as I deal with visceral pain like that regularly anyway, and I think that LSD might just avoid this by modulating pain and sensory attachment and other things that contribute to its incredible euphoria. Consequently though, I feel that some of the depth is also lost.... You can be overloaded by sight and sound all you want, but it just doesn't have the same impact if your body is blissfully numb and you perceptions blurred as it does when you get the completely uninhibited sensory onslaught. That's what this 4-HO-MiPT gave me, and I think that was actually the deepest form of that that I have yet experienced.

I was definitely getting the multidimensional reality shifting at the height of it, but I never quite got into that love space. I have experienced it on similar tryptamines though, and I'm sure it could happen if I dosed high enough.... I just wonder what I would have to go through to get there first. Due to the bliss of that state though I imagine that if I just made it I might not have to deal with that visceral pain stuff anymore, particularly because I was without such pains when approaching the same level of overloads with 4-HO-DET and 4-HO-MPT. It's tempting to explore it some more, but I can't say I'm in a rush to get there when I have other options to work with too....

Anyway, thanks for the comments and for sharing too. And best of luck with your ALD-52 trip as well. :)
 
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