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(4-Fluoroamphetamine) Experienced

Smyth

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While having tried alot of sibutramine recently, as well as other substances, none of these motivated me to write about them in the same way as I am doing currently for the title compound.

I think this may have something to do with the fact that motivation/drive/movement etc are well known to be controlled by dopamine, and 4-FA is more dopaminergic than sibutramine even though the latter is still an interesting compound.

The dosing was in the usual fashion for compounds that fall into this sort of potency scale, just taking dabs until the effects feel agreeable. Generally, it is best to err on the side of caution, particularly if it is your first time dosing.

The taste of this compound is quite disgusting. My compound might not be as pure as it could have been since although it is white, it is slightly grey/blue, and has a very strange odor that cannot be described as pleasant.

I'm satisfied I took the right dose since anymore would make the experience too intense while any less would not have been noticeable enough.

The compound feels quite dopaminergic just like regular speed, but the user is less likely to notice this because of the unmistakable serotonergic feel. The feel of this drug is best described as "bizarre" although it is still a good drug that I can be bothered to take the time and effort to type about.

On one hand, one has all of the typical properties that they might get if they were taking regular speed, but this is dampened slightly by the "roll" one gets when they try mdma. It feels more speedy than mdma though although the serotonergic effect is unmistakable.

One doesn't get the urge to roll ones eyes in the same way as can sometimes occur on mdma. People who have read Rothmans work on amphetamine and analogs will recognize that the addictive properties of the drug are in order of the propensity to release dopamine and follow a negative trend based on increasing 5-HT releasing activity.

I'm quite tempted to say that 4-FA feels quite "futaristic" in certain respects although it is not clear whether it should simply be regarded as halogenated amphetamine and is not worth fussing about.

If the reader is still interested in learning from my post then they can probably notice the speedyness with which it is being put together ("impulse" driven). The effects of this drug feel quite "centered" and "focused" and in no way "off-balance".

I could go on writing piles of information and it is not at all common for me to usually write posts with this many words in. I'm hoping that people who came to read this thread either have already tried or would consider trying some of the title compound.

In a sense, I actually see this post as an endorsement to 4-FA and it can be seen as encouraging people to take it. This is alright, although consider that the effects of the drug are in no way subtle, if you took some before going to work you would probably act/behave differently. I mean you could probably still drive a car while under the influence, although it's less likely going to be as safe if driving at high speeds or through populated neighborhoods.

For example, the spit in my mouth keeps frothing up and I feel in general quite fidgety like on amphetamine but just not quite to the same extent (although this might be related to dosage). Also, the serotonin-like action of the drug is quite pronounced. It is said that 4-FA is less serotonergic than some of the other halogenated amphetamines.

I also get some inclination towards jaw-clenching, licking my lips, and swallowing, which is characteristic of "ampy" 5-HTergic drugs like this one.

The way that this drug feels means that it would be easier to pass it off as some sort of neo-xtc and less likely that it would be considered as some type of imitation drug for regular amphetamine.

I would quite like to see 4-methylamphetamine on the market, I also have not had alot of experience with other compounds such as alpha-methyl tryptamine etc which would allow me to make obvious comparisons.

Part of my motivation for wanting 4-FA is due to the fact that I need to lose some weight and was also attracted to the fact that this compound will be quite long-acting, but perhaps not so long as sibutramine and 2-dpmp.

The effects of this drug actually feel quite nerdy because of the 5-HT related activation, and the dopamine releasing action in some respects feels quite manic and untamed. My mood is quite creative and I have the energy to do things, although I might have reservations over advocating the extent to which it can be used medicinally as oppose to recreationally. It leaves the user feeling quite wired and almost neurotic, although maybe not quite that bad.

Another drug i'd quite like to see on the open-market for experimentation is PAL-287, that is the 2-naphthyl analog of amphetamine, apparently more 5-HTergic than most of the compounds in this series and not at all addictive (which might actually be regarded as a good thing, not a draw-back).

4-FA doesn't throw up too many surprises based on what I was expecting it to behave like. You just get the typical amphetamine-type speedyness although this is off-set to some extent by the 5HT hedonistic feel. It actually feels quite a bit more 5HTergic than what I remember happening on the sibutramine even. This drug definately has a very pronounced 5HTergic feel that one wouldnt want to feel more intense, thus limiting its abuse potential.

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Several hours into this now and the effects are more mellow and less prolific. This is a trip report in that it is my first use of the drug. Effects of taking it every day will obviously become less noticeable and more blunted response as tolerance increases.
 
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4-Fluoroamphetamine is on my radar of drugs to try, it sounds a sort of cross between MDMA and Amphetamine.
 
4-FA is a good drug, though it burns. I think of it as "MDMA lite". That's not meant to be a derogatory name, just a description, as sometimes "MDMA lite" is what we're looking for. Combined with aMT I found it very MDMA like, perhaps even more empathetic.

I'm posting to warn you against taking it as a weight loss drug, though. Serotonin releasers shouldn't be taken as frequently as weight loss drugs need to be. The serotonin rebound takes too long, so they shouldn't be a daily, or even weekly, thing. You'll burn out quick using them that way.
 
I'm posting to warn you against taking it as a weight loss drug, though. Serotonin releasers shouldn't be taken as frequently as weight loss drugs need to be. The serotonin rebound takes too long, so they shouldn't be a daily, or even weekly, thing. You'll burn out quick using them that way.
To me, the most pressing concern regarding this is possible 5-HT2B agonism. While I'm not sure if 4-fluoroamphetamine specifically is a known 5-HT2B agonist, there's a good chance it is (based on both it's structure and it's pharmacological actions). Taking 5-HT2B agonists long term is suspected to cause valvular heart disease. Fenfluramine-induced heart damage has proven fatal!
 
Maybe not a good drug for "long term" use then, but over the short-term I don't see that there should be major reason for concern other than perhaps in the elderly.

(Just for peoples information, they should be aware that regular mdma and/or mda also causes this effect).
 
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Dosage? You mentioned dabbing in eadd and reaching desired effects, but in that same thread it has been mentioned by many that the first dose is a bit crucial, which I agree with.
 
Dosage might be unknown, as it was "dabs". :P
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It is said that 4-FA is less serotonergic than some of the other halogenated amphetamines.

The 4-position appears ideal for conferring 5ht efflux, However, other para/4-halo substituted amphetamines are drastically neurotoxic, causing pruning of serotonergic axons and cellular death.

I would quite like to see 4-methylamphetamine on the market

I dunno--reports of after-effects from Eastern Europe and Russia suggest 4-iodo-amphetamine like neurotoxicity, though vastly more mild.

ebola
 
Any of the amphetamine analogs proposed by RB Rothman et al I would want to try.
 
I recently found a well priced source for RC's (don't let the thought cross your mind) including 4fa and phenazepam. To be honest I am ver unimpressed with the 4-flouro. Though it's mild nature which I enjoy, at onset I feel very ill until the amp feeling creeps in. I don't get the who "entactogen" reputation. All I get is the chills. Also, at time it makes me feel fairly tired, which causes a bit of anxiety remeinding me of a meth od. I just had a few bumps after a weak cup of Kraton and would add they go together wonderfully....on another topic, I love the Phenazepem and will be stockpile: it does shit for a panic attack but keeps me level for day......anyway just my 2cent.....questions welcome.
 
I recently found a well priced source for RC's including 4fa and phenazepam. To be honest I am ver unimpressed with the 4-flouro. Though it's mild nature which I enjoy, at onset I feel very ill until the amp feeling creeps in. I don't get the who "entactogen" reputation. anyway just my 2cent.....questions welcome.

What doses of 4-fa have you used? thks.
 
How would you rate the fiending in comparison to regular amphetamine?

Is 4-FA easier to put down?
 
I was using 500mg 4FA per day. I dont rate it as highly as WIN35428.

Try this one instead (good luck with finding a supplier).

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4FA is not as preferable as ritalin even. I recommend people give 4-methyl or 3-methyl amp a try.

I just get sick of doing the same substance over and over again and like to try new things out.

Btw, 4FA is just a neo-dopaminergic that is mildly serotonergic feel. Nothing 'special' but quite unique.
 
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50mgs maybe 60 or less was dosed about a little over an hour ago, It feels like thats all that is needed right now, I'll update in a bit, will say I can see it getting too overwhelming if taken at super high doses for FIRST TIME dosing so im glad I dabbled. So far though VERY subtle waves? If I can call it that
 
Another drug i'd quite like to see on the open-market for experimentation is PAL-287, that is the 2-naphthyl analog of amphetamine, apparently more 5-HTergic than most of the compounds in this series and not at all addictive (which might actually be regarded as a good thing, not a draw-back).

apparently wikipedia says PAL 287 is a full agonist of the 5HT2B.
 
I recommend people give 4-methyl or 3-methyl amp a try.
Can you speak from your personal experience? If yes, write a trip report.

But actually, ebola? is right, 3-methyl- or 4-methyl- amphetamine is dangerous, and according to the reports it caused some temporarily amnesia. It substituted for MDMA, though.
Be vary wary dealing with these chemicals.
 
I don't know much about 3-methyl-amphetamine, but EC 50 screenings suggest it likely to present neurotoxic danger somewhere between 4fa (near nil at normal doses and frequencies of dosing) and 4-methyl-a (intolerable) ('3ma' was found to act as a behavioral reinforcer with efficacy similar to 4fa yet cause a 'more balanced' release of the 3 monoamines).

ebola
 
So, the word on 4-fa is not very neurotoxic at all, but potentially can lead to heart valve disease because of 5-HT2b agonism? I take it that would be more likely in terms of long-term use and higher dosages? Many people are beginning to use 4-fa as a study aid or "at-work" aid at low doses, say 20-50 mg oral because of its "clean" feel, lack of comedown (at those doses) and relatively minor peripheral effects. What do some of you more informed ADD'ers think: ok idea, bad idea, spectacularly bad idea, get a heart x-ray in a couple years?
 
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