RCs 4-EMC...Advice needed please

[SilentRoller]

Greetings fellow Green/Bluelighters,

I'm in need of some advice regarding the RC 4-EMC; I have searched prior to making this thread obviously, but I couldn't find my answer. I have always been slightly intrigued by the 'bucket 'o' euphoria' that many claimed meph (4-MMC) delivered. Despite this, I have always kept my distance, due to the side effects and cardiovascular harshness that came with the meph high.

Cut a long story short, I decided to dabble once more into the world of RC's, and I have found a vendor selling 4-EMC (4-EthylMethCathione), and from the few experiences I could find, it seems it lacked the toxic cardio stress, but gave spades of euphoria. Could anyone enlighten me on what I should expect from this chem (either from personal experience, or from a chemistry prospective). As 4-EMC serves as an isomer of 4-MMC, I'm not really sure what to expect, so any advice would be helpful. In a sense, this is a close as you can get to mephedrone.

Also, I like to keep my drug use to a few times a year maximum, but ocassionally I find myself on a quiet night out (or in), and could do with something subtle, rather than the 'absolute mess' euphoria state of methylone, MDMA etc. Therefore, could someone please tell me, what in their opinion is the best RC, which puts the least strain on your heart and body, and just gives you a subtle bit of chattyness. Sometimes, I just want to have a small dose of something to make boring nights interesting.

Thanks

SR :D

 

[Znegative]

I have only experience with 4-MEC, and if it's anything like that chem, I would stay away. Mephedrone was a great drug with incredible euphoria. MDPV was also enjoyable but way too fiendish for me. A lot of the RC's that came afterwards seemed to be poor replacements.

4-MEC actually scares me. I took it IV (very stupid), as well as orally. When injected, I experienced a very intense and scary rush, where my eyes began to twitch uncontrollably and I couldn't control my field of vision. I experienced about ten minutes of mild euphoria, and then became very sedated. My mother actually accused me of being on heroin because I was nodding so much.

When taken orally, I didn't get the eye twitches, but I got the same effect of a short period of mild (and not very euphoric) stimulation, followed by nodding and then blacking out. IMO it was one of the worst drugs I've ever done, and I wouldn't even call it a stimulant. I've heard varrying reports n 4-MEC, some people with similar experiences, others who felt that it was similar to a weaker version of Mephedrone. However my vendor was very reliable, so I'm pretty sure it was the real deal.

I'm sorry to rant on 4-MEC, but if it's similar than really, try something else, or better yet, just take Dextroamphetamine if you want to experience a nice stimulant. Some of these RC's (Mephedrone, MDPV...) are very addictive. D-Amp and Amphetamine Salts are addictive too, but IMO they don't hook you quite as fast. That is however, just my oppinion.

 

[SilentRoller]

Thanks for the info Znegative. From looking at 4-EMC and 4-MMC side-by-side, they look almost identical. Therefore, I would go as far to retract my earlier comment about EMC being similar to 4-MEC, and rather that this is as close as you with get to mephedrone. I'm tempted...very actually, but I don't like the idea of my heart feeling like its going to explode. My last drug experience was in Feb, when I took just over 200mg of bk-MDMA, and whilst the euphoria was great, my heart was beating a fair bit, to the extent that you could actually see my chest move slightly with each beat. (And yes, I'm fit with low blood pressure. Resting HR of about 45-50).

In regards to dexamp, I thought that was available through perscription only, and was not available to purcahse as an RC.

 

[tricomb]

^Well I would be inclined to agree with you Zneg, I certainly think that Mephedrone (meow meow) and MDPV are more addictive than Dextroamphetamine.

At least, they lead to more compulsive redosing than dextroamphetamine.

It may be prescription only but it's much easier to find and at much fairer prices than buying RC's online, many of which are illegal under the Federal Analogue Act.

 

[SilentRoller]

Since a perscription (or finding) dexamp is not an option, does anyone have any information regarding RC's of this nature. I tried MPA once, but that kept me awake faar too long!

 

[Coveman]

@SilentRoller.. I had the same problem with using MPA however if you dose it low enough (I dose at 35mg once a day) you should beable to sleep fine.

 

[SilentRoller]

Just saw that 3-MMC is available also? Any experiences with this? Bluelight didn't seem to have that many trip reports, although I have heard this is pretty nasty also.

I'm really struggling to find a RC that sounds like it gives you gentle stimulation with a bit of euphoria, but doesn't give you trachycardia. If anyone can suggest any RC's that fit this bill, it would be useful. Thought about the 'FA' series of RC's, but fluorinated amphetamines are a big no-no in my book.

 

[LogicSoDeveloped]

I didn't have quite the experience you had, Znegative, but I thought it was garbage as well. I will say that I put the crystals of it directly on my tongue and for a couple days afterwards, I had a sort of chemical burn on my tongue where there were these awful looking tiny red bumps that were irritated. They went away within a few days though. Beyond that, it was just a really uneventful stimulant. There was nothing worthwhile about it to me.

 

[SilentRoller]

4-MEC sounds like a nasty bit of work. Any experiences on RC's that would fit my ideal? Euphoria with stimulation which isn't hard on the heart.

 

[cannibalsnail]

4-fa

 

[DickTate]

4-fa

I agree. This fits OP's description the best if dosed right.

Another one could be Ethylphenidate at low doses but I wouldn't recommend that since it is pretty addictive and nasty on the heart (and all around) at higher doses.

 

[Znegative]

Yeah, 4-FA is pretty teame as a stimulant, but still provides a nice euphoria. 3-MMC was pretty boring IMO. The problem is that for the most part, if you're sensitive to one stimulant, your sensitive to them all. You want something really mild, or have a scale so you can at least dose more accurately.

I mentioned the Dextroamphetamine, because like Tricomb said, there is less of a tendencey to redose. IME, there is no RC stim that has fit that profile (though I admittedly have a fiendish nature with all stims but D-Amp).

 

[SilentRoller]

I've been looking into 4-FA as it seems quite pleasant, although I'm not sure about the duration. I really enjoyed bk-MDMA, and I would like to think that my terrible, anxiety ridden come-up was just because of the high dose I took (didn't have an accurate scale at this point. I now have a 0.000 scale though).

On a different note, I have been reading through the 'Big and Dandy 5-APB/6APB' thread, and it has got me tempted in that direction. Could anyone enlighten me on any negative side effects they experienced when using 6/5 apb.

 

[morphinanymous]

What's the best meow meow? The kind a pussy makes when you stroke it.

Please do not follow path and IV RC's unles you are sure of purity, quantity, and personal tolerance along with the knowledge of how to safely and hygenically IV anything.

I also went the IV roa for 4-mec , meph (im pretty certain) maybe MDPV and just the regular bath salts you could formally buy at gas station in my area. All of which were incredibly stupid ideas. I'm not into these particular RCs for that reason. I did waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay too much and it was for all listed unpleasant to say the least. However I was at a show in a lot and decided to give it a whirl with the 4-mec = terrible terrible shakiness, paranoia, extreme muscle twitching. Meph was the same to a lesser extent with more enjoyable effect just took too much. The bath salts IV was a terrible idea considering I am prescribed Desoxsyn and had been shooting coke prior to that. It was horrible and dangerous.

The 4-FA, and 4-FMA, are both fine and suitable replacements and I would reccomend them over the Meph , 4-MEC, etc...
Also all substances I used were of a high quality , except the "bath salts". And the 4-FMA is alot stronger, alot to me at least, a scale in the thousandth's category is what I would reccomend.

I've notice alot more of these Meph derivitives/analogues whatever coming around soon they'll nail it for you batch that enjoy it, I don't as much, just don't rush around and hurt yourself.

 

[Limitbreaker]

I'm sorry but

As 4-EMC serves as an isomer of 4-MMC

Nope, it is an analogue

also: Znegative, 4-EMC is different to 4-MEC. because 2 letters are in the place of one another it doesn't mean it's similar. I'd say that in this and amphetamine's cases, the "base" chemical - rules how the expanded molecule works.

So, by modifying amphetamine (say, for example, 4-methylamphetamine) we usually won't get effects much stronger than from plain methamphetamine. same there - ethcathinone is known to be much weaker than methcathinone, so being a much weaker "base" chemical, 4-MEC wouldn't be very similar in effects and/or strenght to 4-MMC

4-EMC was getting rather good ratins after 4mmc went illegal, although not many even knew of its existance.

 

[SilentRoller]

@Phatass: It is out there if you look hard enough. From what I have heard/read from people who have taken it, its almost exactly the same as pre-ban meph, but with 20-30% less side effects/cardio-toxic elements. As bold as this statement is, I'm still put off by the addictiveness of the compound in question.

 

[spacemonkeyz]

4-EMC is an amazing compound! Very comparable to mephedrone or methylone. I like it much better than mephedrone it is much easier on the body. I'd say it's about just as good as M1!!! Anyone who's saying they didn't get effects obviously did not get 4-EMC. It gives me the urge to dance and it's nice and clear headed, just like M1. The Euphoria is Huge and with a 200 mg dose effects last at least 4 hours. This is a readily available alternative to M1/Meph why it hasn't gained more popularity is beyond me.

 

[Dagda Mochta]

shill much?

Anyways, I'd really like to hear more about 4-EMC in detail. It seems every time it's mentioned anywhere, the thread turns into a mess about 4-MEC and meph replacements. To my limited understanding, 4-EMC is completely different.

 

[Crashing]

4-EMC just makes me horny and extremely sedated in a tropical sun pool type of way. 4-MEC is more pushy and a better value, it has some stimulating properties but mostly mongy as well.

4-EMC for me is like the B side of mephedrone where 4-MEC would be the A side. Never combined them but i wonder what it would be like... it seems like 50% of the people get the effects from 4-EMC that I would get from 4-MEC and vice versa. Weird shit. All in all, pretty low quality drugs if you ask me. If you haven't had any powerful chemicals in a while, 4-EMC will surely be fun.