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(4-AcO-DPT / 20 mg) - First trial - A Mirror to the Mind

TheAppleCore

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Setting: a wilderness trail in the Southwestern U.S., on a gorgeous January afternoon.

20 milligrams 4-AcO-DPT fumarate is insufflated. Within minutes, I can feel an indescribable, perhaps slightly dissociative sensation creeping through my body, and I'm beginning to clearly disconnect from sobriety in a somewhat familiar but novel way. The feeling very steadily continues ramping up in intensity; there are no spikes, flashes, or waves of intoxication here.

At a certain point, perhaps twenty minutes after dosage, I realize that some crucial part of my mind is swept up in a process that I can only describe as "melting". An entire spectrum of conscious phenomena is losing all discernible form and shape, and melding together into one homogenous body of "liquid self". I'm not losing my grip on reality in any appreciable way. I seem to, almost paradoxically, retain a firm intuitive understanding of where and who I am. Yet, vast swaths of conscious symbolizations of sober cognition are simply dissolving -- as if the once-refined and detailed murals of inner space are slowly becoming unrecognizably disfigured, as paint dribbles down the mural walls and pools on the floor into a meaningless soup of color.

At first, this cognitive dissolution is alarming. I am convinced that whatever is being consumed by this inner vortex is very important to me in some way. That, without the comprehensible detail which is becoming blurred, it will become impossible to maintain any semblance of sanity. It seems all too obvious that the very foundation of logic and reason is crumbling. My physiological state is forcing me to breathe more deeply, and rapidly. My heart is beating faster. The energetic engine of my entire being is growing more powerful, but the "self" driven by this engine is becoming an increasingly repulsive mass of formless mind-substance!

But, as soon as I put on my iPod, and allow music to begin to trickle into my awareness, the power and beauty of this cognitive dissolution becomes immediately apparent. My ability to perceive not only the sonic detail and complexity, but the emotional message of the music, has been drastically enhanced. In and of itself, this is nothing unusual for a serotonergic psychedelic. In fact, aesthetic enhancement is one of my favorite aspects of the psychedelic experience. What starkly differentiates 4-AcO-DPT from the myriad psychedelics, dissociatives, and cannabinoids that have taken me to countless peaks of musical ecstasy, is the delightful clarity with which it allows me to understand the nature of psychedelic aesthetic enhancement, from an intellectual vantage. The musical intensification and the "liquid self" become instantly interwoven in a simple and elegant theoretical model of the psychology of aesthetics.

I see that in order to become deeply emotionally involved with a piece of music, the music must be allowed to build what can be envisioned as finely-detailed and highly delicate structures within the open space of human perception. Like crystals forming, it's a process that takes time. Such structures are developed and refined over the course of musical phrases, movements, or entire works themselves. However, at any moment, these fragile formations can completely fall to pieces when subjected to the turbulent forces that result from intrusion upon the empty inner space in which they rest. The job of the psychedelic drug is to prevent chaotic and destructive activity within consciousness, and thereby completely silence all such "turbulent forces". The task of the psychedelic, in sensitizing me to the beauty of the music now being played, is to shield the world within from storming winds, so as to create a perfect stillness, and to allow the artistic subtlety in the music to carefully build its house of cards undisturbed. [Amazingly, I was even catching glimpses of this revelation at a barely-threshold dose -- a small bump, certainly less than 5 milligrams -- as indicated by a forum post I made during the high: "(…) absolutely serene. Like a perfectly calm lake, so still and flat that you could look at your reflection in the water like a mirror."] This effect is achieved by precisely the same process of dissolution that I previously rejected.

Another useful analogy might be the comparison of music to a colorful, moving image, projected onto a screen. In the presence of broad daylight, or in a brightly-lit room, your pupils are contracted, and the ambient lighting is competing too strongly with the relatively dim light of the projector, so it is nearly impossible to make out any meaningful image on the projection screen. Psychedelics are a way of turning out the lights, so to speak, and creating a perfect blackness, wherein the projection screen suddenly transforms into a display of vibrant, technicolor animation, so prominent that you have no choice but for it to consume your center of attention. The key of my theory is that, instead of internally amplifying the music, psychedelics simply take away the peripheral noise which normally distracts from the music -- just like the projector screen, seemingly becoming brighter only as a result of peripheral light becoming dimmed. Of course, music is just one example. Almost all subtle forms of art probably have a similar relationship to psychedelics.

I continue to bask in the nostalgic, melancholy euphoria that marks Beach House's Teen Dream, presented to me in a splendor completely renewed. I'm leaning against a large tree, facing the trail on which I arrived at this spot. I have a vague inclination to relocate to some place a little bit more private: every few minutes, a fellow hiker passes by, sometimes staring confusedly at my drooping eyes and manic grin. But somehow, I can't bring myself to move. I feel so indulgently, luxuriously comfortable in my present position, that the thought of leaving my tree is like the thought of crawling out of a warm and cozy bed into a freezing blizzard. I continue my intellectual journey, picking up from where I left off, at the psychology of aesthetics, gliding through an endless series of tangentially-connected thoughts, probing deep philosophical questions with an almost-obsessive, unwavering focus. I seem to be developing an amazing wealth of new ideas, and strengthening my grasp on a wide array of preexisting ideas. Murky and vague "gut feelings" are surfacing from the subconscious and transforming into clearly defined systems of interconnected information, in great abundance. In other words, a highly profitable session of introspection. At one point, I think to myself, "I've learned more about myself on this trip than I could possibly recount in a single trip report."

It occurs to me that perhaps 4-AcO-DPT's effects can be distinguished by a particular recursive effect on thought. It seems like most other psychedelic trips are simply experienced. The 4-AcO-DPT trip, however, seems both experienced and observed at the same time. Somehow, all of the thoughts, images, feelings, and sensations that arise within my mind are being sent through a sort of neurological feedback loop through my analytical intellect, so that I become at once the spectator and participant; the knower and the known. The chemical is, simply, a mirror to the mind. [And, what a fitting description for a "psyche-delic", or "mind-manifesting" drug! Perhaps the effect is not so unique to 4-AcO-DPT after all. But I think that something must be said for the fact that, through countless so-called "psychedelic experiences", I never understood what "mind-manifesting" truly meant, until I took a single dose of 4-AcO-DPT.]
 
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Great report. I particularly like your theory of music cognition. How might it apply to other aesthetic experiences? An intense focus and immersion within the piece? Your theory reminds me of Schopenhauer's aesthetic theory, in which art is a way to transcend the insatiable human will and become one with what is perceived.
 
Would you care to comment on some of the more typical measures; namely, level of visual activity, level of coordinative intoxication, level/type/severity of body load?

Also, how long did it last?
 
Fantastic report, absolutely stellar music choice by the way. Thank you for putting in the time to write this up.
 
That was a lovely account, and a rich exposition, of your experience of a tragically rare compound. 4-AcO/ho-DPT is a truly underexposed gem. One look at either of the big and dandy threads will reveal many lamenting the rarity of what is easily one of the best and most experientially unique tryptamines available (it may be my favorite). It's difficult to synthesize, and the fumerate form (reportedly one of the few stable salts of it) resists going into a water solution, so it's difficult to inject intramuscularly (which is really what I think would make the best ROA for it - I'm still trying, though!). Insufflation or rectal use is certainly worthwhile, it's just that I feel like I'm wasting a substance like this with them.

I'm surprise you got so much out of it at 20 mg (I assume insufflated?). Then again, I recall having some fascinating experiences during my first low dose trials with 4-AcO/ho-DPT. They bared a resemblance to your experience, in that they were surprisingly strong aesthetic experiences (my internal monologue adopting a highly poetic style; subtle but penetrating visions of natural beauty).

Would you care to comment on some of the more typical measures; namely, level of visual activity, level of coordinative intoxication, level/type/severity of body load?
In my experience open eye visuals manifest somewhere between 35 and 50 mg insufflated, maybe a little higher rectally.I've not experienced much in the way of body load. It's a fascinating compound in that, for me at least, some of the more subtle and "sophisticated" effects of other psychedelics really take center stage during a 4-AcO/ho-DPT experience (a sense of majesty and innocence, feelings of sensuous velvety auras around everything, etc).
 
Thanks for the feedback. :)

Would you care to comment on some of the more typical measures; namely, level of visual activity, level of coordinative intoxication, level/type/severity of body load?

Also, how long did it last?

I should preface my visual observations by mentioning that I seem to be a relatively non-visual tripper. In any case, there was a decent level of enhanced pattern recognition -- e.g. geometric patterning would jump out at me from the leaves on a tree, or the gravel on the dirt trail. Also, colors seemed richer. There was no morphing, rippling, or breathing, nor were there any closed-eye visuals.

No coordinative intoxication was noted.

The only effect I'd describe as a "body load" was what seemed like a slight excess of physical energy: all physical activity such as walking, breathing, and heart rate was accelerated, and felt a bit "pushed" by the 4-AcO-DPT. After a little while I seemed to settle in to the effect, and it didn't bother me at all.

3.5 hours after dosing, I was down to a plus one, but very subtle effects continued till maybe T + 7 hours.

I'm surprise you got so much out of it at 20 mg (I assume insufflated?).

Yeah, it was split roughly in half, and insufflated through both nostrils. I wonder if that enhances absorption at all? It should double the surface area of mucous membrane coated with the drug. I was also rather surprised by the intensity of the trip. Well into +++ territory, at least for the first hour or so, which I definitely didn't expect.

a sense of majesty and innocence

Well said. The phrase immediately evokes memories of my experience.
 
Great report about a compound that gets far too little recognition. 4-AcO/-HO-DPT are amongst my absolute favourite psychedelics.
 
Thanks for the TR! I have a sample of this (4-AcO-DPT) coming along sometime this week and am very interested in it, from what Ive heard about DPT atleast. I mean come on, there's a church in NYC where DPT is founded as part of their religion! Well, come to research this compound I found that even the big and dandy thread for it over here at BL had very little. That's when I saw this link. It's funny because I am also in the Southwestern part of the U.S. Anywhoooooo, from what I've concluded the best ROA for me is insufflation. I have 50mg coming to me, so if this is of good quality, Im assuming I have one - two good trips. I'll post a TR once I've sampled it later on this week. I'm thinking about a combination, because I also have 25c-nbome and MXE as well which sounds thourougly intriguing. I think I'll have to sample this one on it's own first, though. Im excited to see the resemblence of DPT and how for being a 4-sub it's less psilocybin than the rest. Any tips or suggestions would be appreciated for when I recieve this product. Also, if I forget remind me to post about my experience;I feel there should be more information on this compound by now. It's been out a few years, but seems its starting to do its rounds again, maybe for real this time?
 
Nice report!

My one and only trial with this gem involved wandering around a secluded, pristine lake in Yosemite's high country with psood0nym. I will never forget, after returning from a brief jaunt, finding psood sitting next to a small tree, in tears...pointing to a root and exclaiming "the colors!"

...that may not be exactly how events transpired, but it captures my gestalt of the the moment.

I didn't take psood's advice and underdosed a bit with the 4-AcO-DPT...fortunately, the lift from the LSD I'd taken earlier was plenty to transform this beautiful setting into an Edenic paradise. Hints of the 4-AcO-DPT still shone through with wisps of its sensuous, velvety character. I'd very much like to give this one another try.
 
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^The "colors"? Pfft! It was the labyrinthine layers of growth revealed within the root by the variegated leavings of decompositional fauna that brought me to aesthetic orgasm. Consider your moment edified, jackass.
 
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