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3,4 Methylenedioxy-N-Methylamphetamine-Who has solid info?

yeah.
no synth discussion though, you gotta be careful how much you get into synth discussion.
but MDMA is an amphetamine compound, even though the effects are NOTHING like amphetamine, it is because of the methamphetamine group on MDMA that MDMA works like it does.
for instance, look up MDA vs MDMA
MDA
methylenedioxyAMPHETAMINE

MDMA
methylenedioxyMETHAMPHETAMINE

the extra methyl group that MDMA has is why MDMA releases more serotonin
and because MDA is lacking a methyl group compared to MDMA, it has less affinity for the serotonin receptor and instead releases less serotonin than MDMA (but MDA still releases a lot of serotonin).
again dude real sorry
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I suppose I know a little bit about a little bit.

I'm not sure what your exact question on the topic is though? If it IS about synthesis... then I can't help you.

However, from reading some of your posts on the whole amphetamine thing, it just seems to me like you're reading too much into the name. (no offense meant, just stating it how I noticed it!)

A name is just a way of categorizing the structure of the chemical, it doesn't necessarily determine what the effects are going to be.

Chemical effects and chemical structure are 2 completely different subjects. It would be like comparing apples to hedgehogs.

Make sense?
 
yeah
like you're getting hung up on the fact that amphetamine/methamphetamine are pure stimulants and MDMA has VERY different effects.
MDMA is technically an amphetamine, technically a stimulant but HAS NO similarity in effect to amphetamine/methamphetamine
 
Thx for the info. I really appreciate everything. Oh and I am not refering to synth q&A's because that is illegal and am in no way looking for any of that. It is very interesting stuff. The carbon atom is an amazing little dude. He is the building block og everything in the universe. Somethings shouldn't be conroled though, if anything should be controled closely it is alchohol.=D
 
Carbon is a very interesting and important little fellow. If this kind of stuff really does interest you, go down to a library and check out some books on organic chemistry! Some of it is a bit dull, but there's some stuff that is downright fascinating.
 
Ok, I may make myself look like an idiot here but it's just a theory I've tossed around to explain how this all works to me. This is in the more extreme lamens terms.

The 'methylenedioxy' part is what basically tells the amphetamine where to go.

The '(meth)amphetamine' part is how it acts.

Here's an analogy: I have a bunch of mice, a series of mouse-wheels connected to power generators, and each wheel powers a different generator, which powers a different light bulb. One light bulb represents serotonin, one represents dopamine, etc.. The wheels represent receptors. Depending on which light bulb I want to turn on, I bring the rats to the wheel that turns on that corresponding light.

I would be the 'methylenedioxy', and the mice represent the 'amphetamine'. I routed the 'power' to the 'bulb' I wanted, and the mice acted upon the wheel to power said bulb. The mice, no matter where I put them, they're going to look for a wheel to run in, will run in that wheel just as fast, will behave the same way, etc.. I route them to the appropriate receptors and they do they're thing on that receptor, resulting in the desired effect on the corresponding area.

Am I even remotely close?
 
Blazif07 said:
Carbon is a very interesting and important little fellow. If this kind of stuff really does interest you, go down to a library and check out some books on organic chemistry! Some of it is a bit dull, but there's some stuff that is downright fascinating.
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I am a student of 1 1/2 years so far, but mostly GE's though...can't wait to get into the good stuff. My major is engineering, but i am really fascinated with organic chemistry. I have in my possesion an Organic chem lab book to study, so when I take that class maybe this semester i will already have some info on the subject, and also do's and don'ts. So I don't burn my eyes out when working in the lab class. Some stuff is crazy dangerous.
 
Seattle: you have the general idea right, however, any extra group (ie: the methylenedioxy group) attached to a base chain (the [meth]amphetamine) will not only act to guide the molecule to the proper receptor, but will also alter how that base chain reacts.

Furthermore, the added groups not only tell the main unit where to go; but also, its specific shape keeps it from binding in the wrong areas. (think of a lock and key)

warmachine: I'm in my final year of undergrad (biology major), and have had to take 5 different sections of chem/organic/biochem as well as 4 different chemistry labs. Honestly... I hated chemistry (mainly just due to the sheer workload of trying to pass those classes), but it IS very interesting.

As far as not burning your eyes out.... Uhm, wear goggles/gloves/etc. and ..... uhhh..... always add acid to water, not the other way around. =)

That being said... I was the culprit of a couple of minor explosions at my lab workstation. haha, good times!
 
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