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2CB-fly - 4th try - most insightful one yet

dreamguy

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Material: 2CB-fly
Dosage: 12mg
Date: 7/6/08
Setting: Living room on a Sunday afternoon in the company of my wife and dog.
Set: I am a bit exhausted from a couple previous days of hard work and more stress than usual. I do feel slightly down, but not deeply. I have hopes the 2CB-fly will transcend those feelings into productive insight, an enjoyable day, and relaxing evening. One of my main focuses for this trip is “How I can be a better person”. I had toyed with other focuses but decided this is good because it leaves a lot of space to explore many aspects of myself. And on the interpersonal, it has been awhile since we’ve had a nice adventure like this so I’d like to have some good communication with my wife.
*Wife’s comment*- I’m feeling a little down, and stressed as well. I decide to avoid taking the Klonopin I usually take for anxiety, since I haven’t needed it in regular it on a normal day in a few months.

12:00pm – took 12mg of 2CB-fly in a shot glass with Pepsi. The taste is even more bitter than I remember. This is followed by normal nervous stomach upset.
*Wife’s comment* - I sprinkle the same amount into a brownie. The chocolate mostly covers up the bitter taste, but there is still that horrid aftertaste.

Routine thoughts:
I seem to usually be a fan of breaking routine but I’m realizing that right now the thing that would lower my stress level is having a routine which works. It would work to increase possibilities, income, natural surroundings, vacations, and artistic projects.

12:45pm – I’m feeling an increasing body buzz. I feel like I drank 3 cups of coffee.

1:00pm – Getting my first sign of visuals. I’m gaining insight on strengthening relationships with the elderly people in my life.

1:07pm – Wife says she’s feeling sleepy. I remember her having that experience last time we did 2CB-fly too. I’m feeling completely out of my down feeling now. I’m having moments where it’s hard to keep a smile off of my face.

Frames per second thoughts:

I had the thought that our TVs show at 24-30 frames per second which is parallel to how much information our brains can take in at one second. Birds and many other animals whose lives are shorter seem to move so much faster than us. Could it be possible they take in many more frames of information per second than humans? If this is true, this could mean their lives are relatively much longer based on those passing moments (or frames).

1:35pm – We just finished flipping through the Communication Arts magazine. I realized all of these different images have their power from the viewer’s reaction to them.

Natural vs Synthetic. Both = natural reactions
This also makes me aware that the ‘juice’ of using psychedelics is in our reaction as well, not in the materials themselves. And all of our reactions are natural whether the material is ‘natural’ or synthetic.

Art and Music in 2008 thoughts:
Looking through this magazine also gives me the appreciation that there is an abundance of great art and music now. Only 10 years ago we found ourselves saying, “There’s no quality music or art in the commercial world.” It seems this new abundance might be credited to the independent, honest, dream-living individuals who have found a way to utilize the internet.

Thinking for ourselves thoughts:
Educate yourself. It’s the cheapest way to get educated. Do you want to be taught something which isn’t being explored by the school boards? There’s no way to market this piece of valuable advice. The educational systems our country has been founded on would be toppled by this philosophy. It is the hardest and most important decision we have to make in thinking for ourselves.

History thoughts:
History is and will always be flawed by subjectivity. The truth is relative. As our perspective changes that “truth” might change too.

2:40pm – checking in with wife. I’m seeing visuals like a ceiling fan but incredibly vibrant with warm purples and browns. This is a subliminal backdrop to everything I’m thinking now. Everything just written was written between 1:40 and 2:40pm.
*Wife’s comment* - I decide to just put on some music. Listening to certain songs always helps to pull me out of whatever stresses are occupying my thoughts. After a while, I start feeling a little lonely because even though my husband is in the same room, I’m in our sunken living room, and he is in the dining room. I always like being on the same level, so I ask him to come down to the living room and join me.

2:40pm to about 8:00pm – The dialog is now opening up and we are coming out of our introverted shells. From this point to the end, I took many notes during the trip but did not record the time so it will be listed as conversations during that time.

The race conversation:
America turned into color when Dorothy arrived at Oz. This is the defining moment when our TV screens went from black and white into color. The wizard, the dream of Oz, and all the characters in the movie seem metaphoric to life itself. It’s about leaving behind the ideals of the past and coming into this wacky new colorful, exciting world full of promise and dreams. Why would people choose to live in black and white when they can live in full color?

We talk more about race and unity as we do a lot during trips. I realize if we are going to move forward, we have to shed our racial identities. This seems radical and disturbing in terms of people who are used to being defined by racial traditions. There must be an equal surrendering of our racial identities and equal acceptance and fusing of our cultural traditions. The simple idea that race is even an issue is the issue. My final thought is there are no winners in the race game.

Psychedelics as Tools conversation:
We talk more about psychedelics used as a tool for better living and a key to the possibilities in our own lives. We reiterate what we’ve been taught: It is not psychedelics that do the work, it’s us. We talk more about the burden of consciousness and our enormous responsibility to put a strong foot forward in our daily lives.

The Mystical Experience conversation:

In terms of religion and the mystical experience, the mystics understand that we cannot bottle and sell the experience. It is an enormous ever-present moving event which no individual can have the definition for because it is constantly changing. All we can be is a witness to it in the here and now. I accept that everything is ultimately unknown. This uncertainty sparks fear in me. The realization that knowledge is relative settles me. We agree that people can have this experience using their religion as the catalyst. We also agree that we and most psychedelic mystics probably have a fear of being the witches in the witch hunt.

DEA conversation:
We have a long conversation about drug policy, government control, and DEA funded propaganda. I realize drug problems are only problems to the people that have them. We both have a lot of resentment that these loving and productive experiences are actually illegal. We explore what the future might be like.

Business conversation:

We agree we like working with those who appreciate that our humble lifestyle is a sacrifice we make in order to create great art for them.

Conclusion: This trip offered more revelations and keys to better living than almost any other trip in the past. I apologize to any reader that finds this report preachy. Reading it back now seems like more of an editorial on society rather than on the material. This is the 4th time we’ve done 2CB-fly. This material continues to be a great ally for us. It is smooth and allows for interpersonal connections that we haven’t found possible with other psychedelics. It feels familiar and relaxed. Even though I was slightly down with a fear of what may come from the trip initially, the 2CB-fly actually propelled me far out of that down state into one of the most enlightening experiences of my life.
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Excellent narrative style--of course not to mention great content. I hope you'll be putting up more TR's if and when when you explore other exotic substances.

Thanx.
 
Thanks for another report on 2C-B-fly, dreamguy (and his wife)! You're very lucky yo be able to work with 2C-B-fly... I wish I had some more myself. Great material.
 
Dreamguy, Thank you SO MUCH for continuing sharing your experiences with us <3

we're so lucky to have people like you and your wife that take the time to share with us :)

you're building up a nice collection of reports on 2CBfly. I haven't checked yet, but have you submitted these to erowid? If not we can help you get them published.

love and light,
samadhi smiles
 
Cool report. Glad to see more 2C-B-Fly's popping up more consistently. I liked the narrative style. Keep it going. (and submit to erowid!)
 
Great report. I haven't had a yen for a 2C-B-fly trip for a while now, but I am damned glad I tucked a few hundred mg of the stuff for the future.
 
Thanks for the report dreamguy. 2c-b-fly seems like a strange one to end up as a touchstone psychedelic, but I'm glad it did for you.
dreamguy said:
Frames per second thoughts:
I had the thought that our TVs show at 24-30 frames per second which is parallel to how much information our brains can take in at one second. Birds and many other animals whose lives are shorter seem to move so much faster
than us. Could it be possible they take in many more frames of information per second than humans? If this is true, this could mean their lives are relatively much longer based on those passing moments (or frames).
This is a fascinating question, and you asked, so I'll give you the gist of what I've learned about it.

There have been cases of stroke sufferers that suffer motion blindness. For example, during a conversation a victim of one of these stokes may hear another's voice and be perfectly able to follow a conversation, yet never see the person's lips move, instead occasionally taking in a single frozen visual frame. In these cases only visual consciousness is staggered, but there are other disorders where, for instance, a victim can observe a sink being filled in preparation for doing the dishes at a point when the water is only a few centimeters high, and next see it overflowing as the water spills on their feet, in effect starling their "projector" into rolling again.

Studies of lucid dreamers who are able to use simple signals to communicate with researchers while dreaming indicate that we take in information at the roughly same rate while dreaming as we do while awake. This means that when we dream that more time has passed during the night ("It seemed like a week had passed") than is actually possible, it is because we have a sense of time that is at least partially independent of the true density of content in our experience. Therefore, even if we, or animals, could experience more "frames of time per second," it would not necessarily mean our lives would feel subjectively longer.

In a truly profound experiment conducted by a team led by Antoine Lutz at the University of Wisconsin, it was found that the human brain is so malleable to the dictates of the mind that, through thought alone, we can increase the frame rate of consciousness itself.

If a series of letters interspersed with two consecutive numbers is played very fast on a projector (such as: f-u-m-h-u-6-4-t-s), and a viewer is asked to relay the numbers she saw, more often than not the second number is not perceived. It is theorized that the recognition of the first number absorbs the great bulk of perceptual resources and the second number is veiled in unconsciousness—as though the participant's own internal projector light blows its fuse and cannot be replaced soon enough to flash for the next frame in time.

An intensive three-month training program in focused attention meditation overseen by the researchers and extensively trained monks created experiment volunteers that were able to perceive the second number at significantly higher frequencies than before their training, or compared to those uninitiated to the mental technique but with similar practice at the projector game. The training consists, in essence, of simply focusing on an external object, such as a mark on the wall, or a specific sensation, such as breathing, to the exclusion of all else--very diligently.

Lutz and his research group concluded that the training resulted in a reallocation of finite perceptual resources so that, in the brain of the participant, those perceptual resources were more evenly distributed, and could, after training, be accessed in time to illuminate the second number with consciousness.
 
samadhi_smiles said:
Dreamguy, Thank you SO MUCH for continuing sharing your experiences with us <3

we're so lucky to have people like you and your wife that take the time to share with us :)

you're building up a nice collection of reports on 2CBfly. I haven't checked yet, but have you submitted these to erowid? If not we can help you get them published.

love and light,
samadhi smiles


I appreciate your appreciation. I learn a lot from others here and try my best to give useful and accurate reports.

I have actually submitted this and a 2Ci report to Erowid but have not heard anything back. I'm sure they get hundreds of reports a month. If there's any way you can get a report I've written on Erowid, I would appreciate it big time! Please let me know if there's anything I can do to help this happen.

Continue what you're doing Samadhi Smiles. I'm sure we'll be online buds for years to come.

peace, dreamguy
 
psood0nym said:
There have been cases of stroke sufferers that suffer motion blindness. For example, during a conversation a victim of one of these stokes may hear another's voice and be perfectly able to follow a conversation, yet never see the person's lips move, instead occasionally taking in a single frozen visual frame. In these cases only visual consciousness is staggered, but there are other disorders where, for instance, a victim can observe a sink being filled in preparation for doing the dishes at a point when the water is only a few centimeters high, and next see it overflowing as the water spills on their feet, in effect starling their "projector" into rolling again. ++++

Wow man! You have some serious extensions to this thought. Your response has the type of juice these forums thrive on. I have never heard of the studies you mentioned but I'm going to explore it more.

I did some looking into some of your other threads too. You have some incredible philosophies and thoughts. I will definitely be looking out for future postings from you.

I appreciate the insights!

peace, dreamguy
 
good to see im not the only one who gets this of 2cb-fly.

one thing i found is that it made me really get in touch with myself. when i mix music on it, its a religious experience for me, melding me with the music/mood/feeling/everything. its like an orgasm without the physical; the "a-ha!" moment without the lead up...

its just a pity it costs so damn much from the greedy bastards who have it.
 
Thanks to anyone that got something useful from this report. I'm surprised so many people took to this narrative style of trip report. It seemed to be the best way to capture the essence of the trip at the time. I will stick to this style from here on out. There should be a methylone or 5-meo-mipt report coming in the next couple of weeks.
 
Great way to relate the experience, as the interesting revelations that came up, a joy to read. Don't know if it told me much about the actual experience of the compound, though that's okay.
 
^Heh. So you just posted twice in this thread and resurrected another 2CB-fly report that's last post was in 2006, and you used a total of three different words between all three posts. I hope we hear either a 2CB-fly report or a MPDV/amphetamine(s) report from you soon.
 
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