2C-P Associated Fatality?

[leet]

Coroners are notoriously crap at things like this, they really don't try very hard. Look at this f'rexample https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-dorset-25968093

"A mother of three from Dorset died as a result of cannabis poisoning, an inquest has found.
Gemma Moss, 31, from Boscombe in Bournemouth, had moderate to high levels in her system.
A post-mortem examination found she died as a result of cannabis toxicity.

Bournemouth coroner Sherriff Payne recorded that Miss Moss died as a consequence of the abuse of drugs."

 

[white55]

What is the source for the information that she took "6x the normal dosage"? Just wondering if it's from someone like her boyfriend, maybe he's downplaying the dosage. Or maybe there was a measurement or calculation error and it was actually 60x normal dose.

If they eyeballed lines (an eyeballed normal dose is a tiny pile of powder not a line) this number is completely fake. And if they were weigh them why would he give her 6x the normal dose? Besides I don't think 6x normal dose (6x8 mg) is lethal (especially with medical assistance) just extremely uncomfortable.

 

[EntheoDjinn]

Reports on UK news today state that the boyfriend has been found guilty of manslaughter (I think that is called 'culpable homicide' in US).

Usually carries a custodial sentence up to about 10 years depending on circumstances. I can't think there will be much sympathy for the guy as the folks who sit in judgement don't really know much about drug culture. He'll probably just be seen as a reckless and culpable person - and maybe that's what he was in this case. It's one of the risks we all take if we're around friends - especially if we are out of our heads as well.

In the UK though we have a medical set up where the cops are not involved unless there's a risk to the medics. This is to try to avoid the very thing happening that happened here - it is felt that it's best to get someone to hospital to try to help than judge the situation.

Of course when one is not spaced out that is easy to appreciate, but if out of it and perhaps subject to paranoia, then it's less easy.

The "authorities" would do well to look again at their own responsibility. We have a prime minister who only a few months ago reiterated her determination to carry on the 'war on drugs' - using that very phrase.

 

[pofacedhoe]

I'm not defending the killer boyfriend. But how often do people tripping think they are dying? Very often. Usually the person is just tripping so we shrug it off if we are a sitter and they aren't siezing or something crazy

it one of the most common freak out reactions, its obviously a big fear for most people so crops up a lot in the inexperienced

 

[EntheoDjinn]

Manslaughter charge

Update:

The guy was sentenced to 8.5 years in prison. In the UK there is an automatic reduction of 50%, so he'll be out after 4.25 years. That's still a fair amount of time to be incarcerated.

It's always a tough call when people are off their heads and probably too difficult to think in relative terms, but in this case he would only have got a short jail time if any if he'd called the medics and been charged with supplying her. He would probably have been given some degree of credit for calling for help, as well as drawing approbation for supplying her in the first place. Wouldn't have got 8.5 years though, and she probably wouldn't have died. He's also got to live the rest of his life with his conscience and in a country where the poor victim was the daughter of a well-known celebrity - this will be hard for him to cope with on many levels.

Maybe others can learn from this tragic case and take the risk of doing the right thing. Just shows how the intention to have a good time for a day or two with substances can turn into a bad experience that lasts a life time.