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2C-I-NBOMe and antidepressants

Hector

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I'm interested in trying this chemical, however i'm currently taking 20mg of Paxil. Does anyone have any experience of mixing the two? Are there any potential risks? Will it be a waste of time?

I've searched the forums and there are conflicting reports. Some say they tripped fine others report diminished effects. Any thoughts?
 
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Read this:

http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/threads/...teractions?p=11048647&viewfull=1#post11048647

Let me just quote it below. As far as I can tell this should apply to NBOMe compounds like it applies to LSD and other serotonergic psychedelics.

NSFW:

Please be advised that there is a currently active thread on this running in ADD here, although the premise is a little different pharmacology and interactions are still discussed:
http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/threads/651672-Serotonin-and-LSD

Also there should be more threads on this in PD, I'll try to merge them for you and report back here.

edit: just mega-merged them and I'll merge this one in as well.

I'd like to get a nice bit of info to put in the OP for future reference, since there are a lot more people bound to ask this question.

I think this is interesting:

SSRI's can end trips if the increased synaptic serotonin is enough to outcompete the psychedelic bound to the 5-HT2a receptor. Obviously this is going to be a less effective strategy the more potent your psychedelic is. This is also partially why people on SSRI's find LSD and other psychedelics less effective (more serotonin in the synapse for LSD to compete with), although receptor downregulation/desensitization could also play a role.

Also as a nice sum up I think it can be said that results vary widely and caution must be taken not to just take a large dose of acid, assuming the results will be dampened. Not every SSRI is created equal and anecdotal evidence suggests sometimes there is little or no reduction in effects and still a big potential for extreme states such as ego death.

Another point is that there are no guarantees that the quality of the trip will be a comfortable one by that I mean no different from the LSD alone... apparently some people don't take the interaction so well and there can be consequences to experienced mood or mental clarity that may be further magnified by the psychedelia.

Finally, be aware that taking LSD is fundamentally destabilizing to your mind or at least it has a fair potential for it (even if there is also potential for beneficial effects if there is proper reintegration and restabilization), so if you are taking SSRI - assuming this is for a reason - tripping may not be the smartest thing for you to do.

So the good news seems to be that there is no reason to suspect physical harm from the combination, but the warnings must be given that there is an element of unpredictability when it comes to intensity and possible non-descript mental effects on top of the psychedelic ones. There may be some data out there on the difference in result between specific SSRI's when combined with LSD, but I highly doubt this has been mapped.

How's that for putting something in the OP? Kindly help as I'm sure there are people who are more knowledgeable on this subject than I am who can formulate some elegantly worded advice. Thnx.
 
Like Solipsis said..

I would like to add, that with a unforgiving substance like 25I-NBOMe it could get messy. For example if you keep redosing because of the lack of effects. I imagine that if you take enough 25I it would overrule the SSRI but it might as well be to high a dose for the body.

+ if you overrule the SSRI, i believe it might get too intense. I once knew a schizophreniac who was on cloazepam and seroquel and wanted to do 2C-E. He ended up taking ~80mg before feeling any effects - but then it got too intense he told me.(I know SSRI's and antipsychotics aren't the same, but they both seem to completely or allmost be responsible for loss of effects from 5HT-2a psychedelics).
 
Until few weeks ago i was pretty sure that SSRIs didn't affect my trips with Nbomes or other psychedelics, exept for MDMA and homologues, but now i realized that i was wrong.
I stopped Citalopram from few weeks, after 3 years of medication with different SSRIs (including 20mg Paroxetine too for more than 1 year), and i already had two trips on 25C-Nbome and 25I-Nbome, now i need a lighter dosage of both to achieve the same levels as before.
Furthermore i had far less side effects from Nbomes when i was taking citalopram than now, when i was using it none of the Nbomes gave me severe vasoconstriction and muscle tension while now with 25C (600ug) i had a terrible time for it and also 25I (1.1mg) gave me a pretty bad reaction for the first hour.

I doubt that this could be a coincidence since i did more than 10 trips with only 25I-Nbome before quitting SSRIs and it never hapened even at far higher dosages, while now two in a row.

Even when i was still using Citalopram but near to the end of treatment, so i was taking less than half of my normal prescription, i had a trip with 25B-Nbome and 700ug where nearly as intense as 1.5mg that i had previously experienced.
Back then i thought it was just a coincidence but now everything fits, so i'm convinced that they diminish the effects, at least on Nbomes in my experience, the funny thing is that i definitely preferred Nbomes under SSRIs :D
 
Eh? I always thought SSRIs+Psychedelics meant Serotonin Syndrome. I might have to start using antidepressants (probably an SSRI), so in that chase it's actually safe or would it be a better idea to stop a few days before tripping?
 
Antidepressants can produce serious withdrawals which aren't over in a few days. do not stop taking them just because you want to trip. and no, SSRI + serotonergic psychedelics doesn't mean serotonin syndrom, but there will definately be some interaction. and btw, if you consider getting on medication, tripping might not be the best idea for you right now.

take care :)
 
Ok I guess Iam still learning and apparently naive - but by "tripping" are you looking to get high on this stuff- I was just curious - this is an antidepressant isn't it ? My friends on it for depression ... At least that's what her doc is telling her..... Hhhmmmmm....
 
^Paxil is an anti-depressant but i'm not looking to get high off that. I wouldn't be able to even if I wanted to.

Anyway, i've been reading up about Paxil and apparently it has a half life of less than 24 hours. If I were to miss a dose would you think that may avoid any interference with the trip? Either way, i'll report back on what happened for anyone whose curious.
 
With a elimination halflife less than 24 hours, i would guess significant amounts are still in the system after a couple of days even.
 
Nope, it typically takes 6 half lives for the drug to clear the system but SSRIs work by downregulating 5HT receptors and this takes weeks or months to recover.
 
Among SSRIs Paroxetine is the one with the shortest half life but anyway if you miss a pill just for one day it isn't enough to have it totally off your system.
Anyway when you are taking a medication with SSRIs you should avoid missing pills just to trip, it is really a bad idea imo.
Expecially beacause Paroxetine with its short half life is the worst one in terms of side effects when quitting, and i can confirm it personally, to quit with SSRIs i had to change to Citalopram because after few days of quitting with Paroxetine (even having scaled the dose for a long time) i experienced very bad withdrawal symptoms like continuous dizziness and shocks into the body that arrived in the limbs.
While for example with Citalopram i had only far lighter dizziness after 4-5 days since when i quit.
 
Ok this is rubbish. Nothing is happening other than some slight visual distortion.
Dosed about 750mcg. Clearly SSRI's and psychedelics don't mix. :(
 
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