2C-E vs. 2C-I (in a social environment)

[DwayneHoover]

WTF? Just EAT the 25mg.

Smoking has been shown to produce toxic byproducts, hasn't it? Snorting 2C's has an association with increased dangers as well, at least that was ROI in known 2C fatalities. I believe these methods confront the cardiovascular system with too-rapid stimulation, and that oral provides an appropriate buffering that allows the system to adjust.


Jesus H. Christ it's not rocket science people. WTF is this fetish for stuffing all drugs up the nose or smoking them?

25mg 2C-I oral is a perfectly adequate ROI and dosage.

 

[SizzleSword]

2C-E tore both my stomach and OP's stomach up bad badly..

I think that was the whole reason he made this post, to figure out the best way to take it without it bothering his stomach.

He's asking people with experience with both (orally) which one is lighter on your body.

I suggest you swallow it even though I like snorting small amounts myself, but I don't think it's anywhere close to how 2C-E is on your stomach (at 25mg-35mg).

 

[Devourer]

It's not a drug fetish, it's efficient consumption, It also allows you to eat beforehand, and between peaks.

It may be my prefered method, and yes that's why I'm boasting it.

But he complains of digestive issues and you're bombarding him with "eat this" "shove it up yer bum"

It wont be dangerous if he doesn't smoke huge quanities at a time, and I think honestly it would work better if you were trying to avoid the pains accompanied by the insuffalated, oral, and rectal administrations.

 

[shishigami]

What can the stimulation be compared to, in moderate doses (15mg-22mg)? I'm not a fan of stimulation at all and it was on the reasons I tend to stay away from PEAs. I just don't want to be walking around sweating my ass off or feeling like I just smoked a big ass bowl of ice or something, I'm hoping it to be moreso like dextroamphetamine than anything else). I already have a slight anxiety problem, I just don't want to be holding my chest gasping for air like it's my last breath).

I and my trip mates were physically jittery for around 8 hours. Loss of appetite for 3 days. Tried sleeping from T+12 to T+20 and couldn't. I was experiencing realistic auditory hallucinations for 4 hours during this time. At T+30 I tried to sleep and it took me an hour. I was hung over for a 2 days. It's realllly stimmy for me and my friends. We took doses in the range of 17 to 22 mg.

 

[DwayneHoover]

^ Sounds like a pretty severe reaction to 2C-I. You sure of what you had and its purity? Maybe someone cut it with speed or something else.

Honestly I never came across any reports of jittery-ness lasting 8 hours, loss of appetite for 3 days, 4 hours of auditory hallucinations. Unable to sleep at t+30hrs?

This is VERY mystifying for 2C-I. Quite uncharacteristic.

I think some bloke sold you something else entirely and just said it was 2C-I because that's what you were asking for.

 

[SizzleSword]

Sounds like that was DOI and not 2C-I, shishigami

 

[adder]

Do you have any links to more information about this, or can you expand a bit on any consistent structure/effect pairings in phenethylamines (or tryptamines, even).

This is totally based on my own experiences, I just noticed that p-halogenoPEAs are much more speedy and party than p-alkylPEAs starting from ethyl. I find 2C-E or 2C-P psychologically more exhausting, especially 2C-P, it's really long acting (for me the right duration is 8 hours at most, otherwise it must be really as easy on the body as possible and 2C-P is actually nasty). They can have a really strong bodyload and the kind of visuals they produce + the feeling of being dragged in sometimes very deeply = it's rather sedating than encouraging to go and socialize.

 

[shishigami]

^ Sounds like a pretty severe reaction to 2C-I. You sure of what you had and its purity? Maybe someone cut it with speed or something else.

Honestly I never came across any reports of jittery-ness lasting 8 hours, loss of appetite for 3 days, 4 hours of auditory hallucinations. Unable to sleep at t+30hrs?

This is VERY mystifying for 2C-I. Quite uncharacteristic.

I think some bloke sold you something else entirely and just said it was 2C-I because that's what you were asking for.

It was from a reputable online vendor. I think the issue was none of us were prepared or perhaps we took more than we thought. I know people who have tried this batch and been able to sleep at T+12 with ease, just for us it was a roller coaster ride of unwanted stimulation.

EDIT: Here's my report on it. http://www.erowid.org/experiences/exp.php?ID=90138

 

[DwayneHoover]

It was from a reputable online vendor. I think the issue was none of us were prepared or perhaps we took more than we thought. I know people who have tried this batch and been able to sleep at T+12 with ease, just for us it was a roller coaster ride of unwanted stimulation.

Sounds like the scale was off or something went awry in the dosing methodology.

 

[Devourer]

This is totally based on my own experiences, I just noticed that p-halogenoPEAs are much more speedy and party than p-alkylPEAs starting from ethyl. I find 2C-E or 2C-P psychologically more exhausting, especially 2C-P, it's really long acting (for me the right duration is 8 hours at most, otherwise it must be really as easy on the body as possible and 2C-P is actually nasty). They can have a really strong bodyload and the kind of visuals they produce + the feeling of being dragged in sometimes very deeply = it's rather sedating than encouraging to go and socialize.

Yeah I always get that way like 10-12 hours in where I'm like "Yeah this 2c-P is really nice and all, but I feel like i've got alien critters trying to pop out my stomache and I'm starting to become very exhausted and sedated and just want to sleep... but I can't... too... many.... fractals..."

I find it starts off somewhat social, but the moment you lay down and close your eyes you're completely doomed to painting hallucinogenic art on your eyelids for the next 16 hours of the experience.

 

[guerillabedlam]

What can the stimulation be compared to, in moderate doses (15mg-22mg)? I'm not a fan of stimulation at all and it was on the reasons I tend to stay away from PEAs. I just don't want to be walking around sweating my ass off or feeling like I just smoked a big ass bowl of ice or something, I'm hoping it to be moreso like dextroamphetamine than anything else). I already have a slight anxiety problem, I just don't want to be holding my chest gasping for air like it's my last breath).

I find the stimulation comparable to a redose of cocaine. I can spend the majority of a 2ci trip in one location and it can feel relaxing at times but I tend to fidget on it. My mind tends to bounce around to different topics but it doesn't have like a heart pounding hyper immeadiacy feeling to it.

 

[allium]

Thank you so much allium, that was pretty much just the post I was looking for. You definitely meant orally and insufflated, right? Oh and when I say social, I didn't mean a club setting or anything like that.. It's going to be a big barbeque in a backyard with a bonfire and stuff.

Yep, I mean oral doses. Insufflation results in quicker come up and more intense experience. People usually say that nasal ROA requires 2x less amount of common 2Cs to get the same effect as with oral route.

Most psychedelics cause tremors, but 2C-I is quite benign in this sense, especially compared to brutal and severe muscle spasms from 2C-E or 2C-T-2. There is some mental stimulation, but I would say that it is comparable to 2C-E.

And I wouldn't really compare stimulation from psychedelics to stimulation from proper stims.

 

[Mysterie]

ive consistantly bugged out twice in social situations on 2c-i

im okay while im coming up, its pretty enjoyable

then i get terrible anxiety and I threw up last time

then i smoke some ganja and i think that probably worsens it

then i get insane waves of like gravity coming into my ears and then get OEV's or CEV's

oh and dont snort 2c-i its like getting a white hot skewer jammed up your nose and throat for 30 minutes

 

[Devourer]

shishigami, you def didn't get 2c-I, it's stimulating but not enough to keep you out of your seat.


And whoever said that the 2c's make you feel shitty after you come down off of them, they're full of crap.
I don't notice shitty effects coming down off of the 2c's, and I'm one of those guys that complains about the shitty feelings when you come down off a single line of coke, or a bomb of whatever stimulant.

i HATE stims and being stimulated, yet 2c-I is still one of my favorite substances.
Though I'm sure I will enjoy 2c-c even more.