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2C-E - Fifth Time - Five is a charm

soul

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2C-E***Fifth Time***Five is a charm

With my past disappointing experiences with 2C-E
on light to modest doses, I finally found out that
20 mgs of the substance was prety much what I was
looking for within the psychedelic experience.

The setting was at night away from the city. After i ingested
the gelcap of the compound, i made a note of the surroundings
and pointed out to myself that I was in near pitch black enviroment
(the bedroom).

Once I hit the peak, I saw light everywhere! my vision seemed
to pick up on the tiny specks of light from the outside that spew
forth onto the bedroom wall. Although I was fascinated of the
retina enhancement, I still felt that it was dark inside the room which
eventually turned my trip of dim swarming and swirling lights, into
vivid thoughts of what my mind was conjuring up.

I learned something from this trip that I haven't noticed or payed
attention to before. I learned that light plays a real important
part to trailing, warping and colorful visuals that only reveals itself
if the lightsource exist in moderation. Too much light or too little of
it dampens the visuals of a trip but leaves you with enhanced thoughts
that contains no trippy visuals. (in my case that is)

Tripping this way in the dark reminded me of the clarity of daydreaming
where all that surrounds you cease to exist depending of the
focal intensity of the mind at work. Jimsonweed (datura) also produces
a similar type of trip where reality shifts into a non existing present
that overtakes the actual reality of real time. (being sober)

I guess I was so used to rating a trip by it's visual content that was
aided by light. Take the light away, and the trip is just as intense but
it maily involves thought; which is strange to me because these thoughts
lack the kaleidescopic visuals i became accustomed to.

In any case, i would rate 20 mgs of 2C-E a plus +++.5 too bad, i have
none left to study with
:(
 
sexyanon said:
All you saw was light and patterns and the trip was a 3.5+ ?

Poo. :(

no.it was more like, less "light and patterns" and more uncontrollable
but vivid thoughts that lacked the lights and patterns that i usually
associate tripping with (usually with lesser thought.)

I hope this made sense, in short, it was the intensity of thought
that procured a 3.5 trip scale for me, minus the trade mark visuals
associated with tripping (warping, trails, and kaleidescopic colors)
on this particular trip alone.
 
soul said:
I hope this made sense, in short, it was the intensity of thought
that procured a 3.5 trip scale for me

There is no such thing as a 3.5+ if going by the Shulgin scale, it's either 3+ or 4+, there's nothing in between..
 
Blowmonkey said:
There is no such thing as a 3.5+ if going by the Shulgin scale, it's either 3+ or 4+, there's nothing in between..

technically you are right in reference to the shulgin scale but the 3.5
scale i made up describes how easy it would have been for me
to make the transition to a +3 to a +4 with a little push of just
letting go. (reaching OBE, ego death, and the paranormal dimension)

i was able to push a +2 mushroom trip to a +4 on pure focus
and meditation alone. so for me, the easiest way to describe this
trip report was to include the transitions because at that
time, it was something that i kept feeling (a slight tug of war of going in
between a +3 to +4 trip)
 
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^ Can you please detail your meditation techniques so other users can attempt similar things?

Thanks for sharing... :)
 
Yeah, visuals have very little, if anything to do with the rating scale. ++++'s have nothing to do with dose either. I have had a ++++ experience on a little over a gram of mushrooms.
 
nickthecheese said:
^ Can you please detail your meditation techniques so other users can attempt similar things?

Thanks for sharing... :)

This is a tough one but i'll try my best to explain this.

ex. Alot of times (especially with shrooms) people experience surges
or "psychic jolts" while tripping.

these jolts can vary in range depending on the amount of focus
a person puts on it.

now, the normal thing that people tend to do when they feel these
vibrations (surges, psychic jolts) while tripping is to
resist or ignore the sensations because these sensations can be uncomfortable at times.

Iv'e learned through curiosity that if you immerse yourself into these
vibrations that usually occur while focusing on something (thought
or object) you then somehow break through.. This for me has led
to OBE's and what i felt was near death experiences and ego loss. ]
How do you "immerse" yourself within these sensations
you may ask? this is the toughest part to express to me but
for starters, try just letting go.

Practice this, and PM me your discoveries.
 
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soul said:
Iv'e learned through curiosity that if you immerse yourself into these
vibrations that usually occur while focusing on something (thought
or object) you then somehow break through..

That's really amazing. I always found these strange "electric surges" very enjoyable. But they always happened at the strangest moments, never was I able to do it at willpower..

Please try to explain the "toughest part" a bit more, I would appreciate that a lot. :)
 
Sounds to me most people may be; simply afraid that, they may ether die or not come back. you always do come back!

letting go and trust is the key to breaking through. most importantly stop fearing death. there's no such thing as death! your conciseness never dies.
peace
 
Blowmonkey said:
That's really amazing. I always found these strange "electric surges" very enjoyable. But they always happened at the strangest moments, never was I able to do it at willpower..

Please try to explain the "toughest part" a bit more, I would appreciate that a lot. :)

You found these strange "electrical surges" very enjoyable? that to me
is very odd. My first experience with the surges was a decade and
a half ago, and I wasn't even tripping in fact, i never did drugs at that
time.

Those surges scared the hell out of me...I couldn't sleep right because
of it. At that time I didn't know what was happening to me and I thought
I was sick. This went on for a month straight until one day I got curious...

I wondered.. "what the hell is going on here and how could i make it
stop?" Out of curiosity and being tired of fearing and waking
up from it, i simply stopped fighting the sensations and I was able to
let go. Surge after surge i felt that my body was being ripped apart
numbingly and by the 20th surge.. (yes i counted) I had my first OBE
experience.

i believe in what "justlearning" said about not fearing death as a key
to truly letting go, so for one, courage plays an important role to breaking
through to the other side.

I don't think i could truly teach anyone how to achive what iv'e already
experienced time and time again.. I believe that something of this magnitude
can only be learned by the individual seeking to break
free of any spiritual restraint by themselves.

to this extent this makes me a lousy teacher but hopefully a decent
guide.
 
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Wow! My first experiences with mushrooms were very uncomfortable. It took me many years of experimenting with them in order to "learn" them. Now I find Mushrooms to provide one of the most euphoric experiences.

With a sufficiently high dose, I usually find it difficult to do anything but lie flat. Those psychic surges pulse through me in consistent rhythm. I'd say I feel them about every 15 seconds or so as a guess, but time perception is usually so shot that I have no idea really how much I feel them. They aren't comfortable or uncomfortable, they are just part of the experience. Next time, I will try directing my attention toward them and see where it takes me.
 
iom said:


Those psychic surges pulse through me in consistent rhythm. I'd say I feel them about every 15 seconds or so as a guess, but time perception is usually so shot that I have no idea really how much I feel them. They aren't comfortable or uncomfortable, they are just part of the experience. Next time, I will try directing my attention toward them and see where it takes me.


just wait until you magnify the intensity of these psychic jolts. sometimes
this "inner thunder" get so loud and intense that it almost feels like
your body is being ripped apart from the inside out. this is the scary
part, i don't mean to frighten anyone but it is an important part of
the psychic journey that you will have to overcome to break your
own levels in human conciousness once you reach that intensity.

ex. most people fail to achieve an OBE experiences because they can't
overcome the intensity of the "inner roar" (psychic jolts) or because
the vibrations they are producing are minimal at best.

It takes alot of courage and practice (in my case that is)
to achieve an OBE experience.

once you reach that level you will know what i mean. The best thing
about this is that you can do it sober and sometimes the experience
can be more rewarding this way. shrooms are an excellent guide
to an OBE experience for beginners because it
introduces you to the sensations of the "inner thunder"
that most people pay little or no mind to.
 
soul said:
You found these strange "electrical surges" very enjoyable?

Yep, the first one ever was quite "shocking" (:-)) and I felt a bit overwhelmed, but merely seconds afterwards I break out laughing because it was just so incredibly weird what happened.. After that I wanted to experience these "surges" again and again, I felt like I was hit by lightning though with an incredible sense of wellbeing and euphoria..

i believe in what "justlearning" said about not fearing death as a key to truly letting go, so for one, courage plays an important role to breaking through to the other side.

Not fearing death can't be applied to my situation, I was enjoying these "surges" and death didn't even occur to me at that given time. How can I fear death when I am enjoying myself, or could you say that I had courage by enjoying this all instead of fearing it and did a good job?
 
Blowmonkey said:

Not fearing death can't be applied to my situation, I was enjoying these "surges" and death didn't even occur to me at that given time. How can I fear death when I am enjoying myself, or could you say that I had courage by enjoying this all instead of fearing it and did a good job?

if you say that you experienced OBE under these enjoyable conditions
then i agree, you did a good job and probally better than most others.
I mentioned OBE as an example because in my experience, the
psychic jolts were the most intense feelings iv'e ever felt prior to it.

i can only wonder about the intensity of the surges you were feeling
and i wonder if it was ever intense enough. I can only speak of my own
personal experience and i admit, it was full of fear and it still is.
 
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