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Phenethylamines 2C-B, worth trying on its own?

chris_p

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One substance that was always on my list and now getting a chance to try some soon, maybe in a week or so after I've read enough reports on it. I've started doing some actual research and all the reports seem super underwhelming. Describing a psychedelic trip with no magic, physical side effects like severe nausea, chaotic visuals, list seems to go on. On the other hand I've read that nexus flipping is a great experience which may partly in my opinion just be due to the fact that its very hard to have a bad time while rolling. I would rather take a substance on its own first before dipping into combinations but I might just end up enjoying it more this way. Thoughts?
 
That's odd? I mainly see it almost universally praised, which is why I think it's overrated.

It's definitely fun, but it's not outstanding in my experience. But it's certainly worth taking on its own.
 
I dont get any physical side effects on 30 mg, i think its dose dependent. I understand its more psychedelic the more you take, but thats when body load gets uncomfortable too. I like it on its own reminds me a bit of MDMA. How will you know if you like if first time is a combo?
 
That's odd? I mainly see it almost universally praised, which is why I think it's overrated.

It's definitely fun, but it's not outstanding in my experience. But it's certainly worth taking on its own.
The amount of negative reports on Erowid and /r/2cb seemed to be 1:1 to the positive reports which was very strange, could just be that people tend to write reports more often when they have a bad time. Better to go in with no expectations

Yeah it's good shit. I've probably taken it on average once a week for the last 3 years.

Phenomenal with ketamine.
I was in a same spot with MDMA for a while.. maybe it could replace that entirely if it scratches the same itch

I enjoyed it - but I prefer mixing it with acid
Will try this one too

I personally loved 2C-B solo.
Shulgin & his team did, too.

Here's the PiHKAL entry:

It's definitely worth taking it on it's own first!
Shulgin's descriptions of the substance as being very physical seems to match my experiences with mescaline which were enjoyable, but I can imagine how it could be overwhelming. Though this might be what I've been looking for. Gonna try 25mg on its own first but will definitely get a much larger amount to test around with.. how bad is tolerance development with it?
 
The amount of negative reports on Erowid and /r/2cb seemed to be 1:1 to the positive reports which was very strange, could just be that people tend to write reports more often when they have a bad time. Better to go in with no expectations
I think 90% of those negative reports are people who underdosed on a single pill or took it on a full stomach and were disappointed. I used to see so many posts in r/2cb saying "I took a pill and don't get what all the fuss is about".

2cb doesn't really start showing you what it's about until you're past the 20mg range and most pills contain less than that.
 
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I think 90% of those negative reports are people who underdosed on a single pill or took it on a full stomach and were disappointed. I used to see so many posts in r/2cb saying "I took a pill and don't get what all the fuss is about".
I've noticed similar on that subreddit, it's quite frustrating that people always trust pressies.

@chris_p If you're getting pressies, even if they claim to be 25 or 30mg, they're likely anywhere from 8-14mg. Check out drugsdata's records for 2C-B pressies. If you're getting powder though, make sure your milligram scale is calibrated. 2C-B is water soluble and it's a super tough molecule, @Felidaez and I used to leave a small mountain of the shit on a butter dish on our living room table just for daily use, like some sort of public altar of psychedelia.
 
How would you compare it visually to say lsd or mushrooms? Like I tripped balls off a few tabs and it's hard for me to see 2cb being MORE visual? I always figure I'd have to try DMT or maybe Mescaline to get crazy crazy visuals.

Besides the heroic shroom dose every once in awhile. I just recently "tripped ballz" on acid similar to heroic shroom dose(yet still not quite close enough, since lsd I feel like i am more in control.), like that sort of trip where you're like YEP this is how hard I've been trying to trip! I just need a tolerance break from lsd honestly but still can u get any feedback?

I'm ready to try new hallucinogens/phenethylamine/empathogen type of trips. I am ready to be fucked by an entity on dmt(so to speak from a previous thread gave me this ambition lol, and just be completely engulfed in a visual manner)..Maybe I need Ibogaine or Ayauhausca
 
How would you compare it visually to say lsd or mushrooms? Like I tripped balls off a few tabs and it's hard for me to see 2cb being MORE visual? I always figure I'd have to try DMT or maybe Mescaline to get crazy crazy visuals.

Besides the heroic shroom dose every once in awhile. I just recently "tripped ballz" on acid similar to heroic shroom dose(yet still not quite close enough, since lsd I feel like i am more in control.), like that sort of trip where you're like YEP this is how hard I've been trying to trip! I just need a tolerance break from lsd honestly but still can u get any feedback?

I'm ready to try new hallucinogens/phenethylamine/empathogen type of trips. I am ready to be fucked by an entity on dmt(so to speak from a previous thread gave me this ambition lol, and just be completely engulfed in a visual manner)..Maybe I need Ibogaine or Ayauhausca
Be sure you're not on SSRIs or anything that'll interact with ayahuasca before trying it, but I'd highly advise experimenting with the combination of harmala alkaloids (such as you would use in ayahuasca) with LSD, psilocybin containing fungi, as well as DMT. Extracting your own DMT is very worthwhile and you can be sure of its purity, and pharmahuasca is perhaps the best, where you take extracted harmala alkaloids and DMT in separate gel caps, 30-60 minutes apart from one another. Harmalas first to inhibit MAO-A, the enzyme that breaks these down, and then 30-60 minutes later take the serotonergic. Harmalas also potentiate cannabis, bupropion, etc.

Mescaline can be easily extracted from San Pedro cacti, and salvia is also worth checking out if you're looking to branch out. Empathogens such as MDA or MDMA are worthwhile, as are dissociatives such as nitrous oxide, PCP, ketamine and DXM. Take time to get to know each one, and you'll find the tools that fit you best. 2C-B is a fantastic drug but it's got a rather shallow headspace, the visuals can be absolutely stunning but they really show up well in the 35-65mg range for me, but I'm notoriously hardheaded against psychedelics for some reason. Hardheaded in the way that I have taken numerous tenstrips of acid before and had an intense but still great time. All psychs have unique styles of visuals, mushrooms can be kind of cartoonish and dreamy, with an almost "hand-drawn" look to me. LSD is very sharp, crystalline, and has made me see myself standing outside my apartment in a driveway, watch my reflection walk away from the mirror I was staring into, a bird flew up and turned out to be a book full of alien symbols I couldn't read, then there were concentric rings of eyes around it like a goddamned biblical angel or something. 2C-B's visuals are more like mescaline's visuals but on fast-forward, phenethylamines have a very unique style of visual distortion, and they tend to require higher doses relative to indolic psychedelics (tryptamines and lysergamides) to generate equivalent intensity of visuals. The only exceptions to this that I'm aware of are N-Benzylated phenethylamines (25X-NBXX compounds), those are the only things other than high doses of LSD, DiPT, PCP, 2F-O-PCE, or DOC that had induced DMT-intensity visuals.

2C-B did this exactly once. I was working with powder (pressies are always underdosed) and insufflated 70-100mg. It was quite reckless, and was during a period of my life where I was just eyeballing every 2C-B dose I took, and they were all intranasal. I threw up exactly once, curled up in the fetal position and my vision became overrun with a flood of snakeskin-like patterns that remind me of the linework found in tribal tattoos or ancient, highly ornate mosques. I saw precognizant visions of myself in the future, consulted with peculiar ancestral spirits, and I came out of the trip reoriented in life overall. I have no idea if that was a remotely safe thing to do but it's advisable to get to know a drug in incremental doses. I had used 2C-B hundreds of times by time I pushed the dose that high, and I had people around not only to look out for me, but who were large enough to restrain me if a psychotic episode were to unfortunately occur. Don't try risky shit like wicked high doses of hallucinogens unless you've got safety mechanisms on hand like that, as well as preferably some "abort switches" like antipsychotics or at least benzos.
 
I've noticed similar on that subreddit, it's quite frustrating that people always trust pressies.

@chris_p If you're getting pressies, even if they claim to be 25 or 30mg, they're likely anywhere from 8-14mg. Check out drugsdata's records for 2C-B pressies. If you're getting powder though, make sure your milligram scale is calibrated. 2C-B is water soluble and it's a super tough molecule, @Felidaez and I used to leave a small mountain of the shit on a butter dish on our living room table just for daily use, like some sort of public altar of psychedelia.
Powder but i also have the option to get it in gel capsules for slightly more. Dont have a scale accurate enough at that level mine can only really work within the range of ~50-100 milligram. Capsules are probably the best way to go. I would actually prefer if I got a powder with filler in it because potency that high scares me a bit
 
Powder but i also have the option to get it in gel capsules for slightly more. Dont have a scale accurate enough at that level mine can only really work within the range of ~50-100 milligram. Capsules are probably the best way to go. I would actually prefer if I got a powder with filler in it because potency that high scares me a bit
You could always use volumetric liquid dilution, if you can confidently measure 100 or even just 500mg or something, you can then put that in water and it dissolves perfectly. I often divide large amounts of 2C-B by pouring it into a large drink that I dye so people know something's up with it.
 
That's odd? I mainly see it almost universally praised, which is why I think it's overrated.

It's definitely fun, but it's not outstanding in my experience. But it's certainly worth taking on its own.
This. I think the reason that it's the only psychedelic that I can think of since LSD that has exited the research chemical stage and developed widespread global popularity is an indication that it's pretty well-liked. I gave it a solid effort about 10-12 years ago, and it never blew my hair back. I recently revisited it, and now appreciate it for what it is. If I were to recommend an ROA, it would be rectal. For me, oral has a long comeup and can have an erratic dosage response curve, takes twice as much material, and has a long insomniac tail. Insufflation is its own beast - most people find it pretty vapid that way, even if the visuals are stunning. The disorienting rapid comeup while you're in excruciating pain isn't ideal. Orally, 18mg is typically the threshold for a worthwhile experience for me, but 22mg is closer to my sweet spot. >30mg is where it actually starts to get properly psychedelic, but I don't like the side effects. At the end of the day, it's a phenethylamine psychedelic. They rarely produce the all-encompassing psychedelic space that common indole psychedelics produce, and trying to push them there has never been rewarding for me.

gel capsules for slightly more.
Dont have a scale accurate enough at that level mine can only really work within the range of ~50-100 milligram.
Oh my goodness. Please just buy a cheap Gemini scale. They're really pretty good above 4mg - checked against my analytical balance, they were still accurate to +/-2mg in the worst conditions, and were typically spot on. I wouldn't trust that gel caps are accurately dosed. But as Espherighanto said, volumetric dosing of an accurately measured large amount is a fine option if you are really averse to spending lunch money on a scale.
 
Yes, it definitely is, it has great headspace, fractal-like thoughts, perfect relaxed body feeling. Experience ends very quickly, that is really unique. For me 2C-B is a small brother of mescaline (and mescaline is on top of my list)
 
Be sure you're not on SSRIs or anything that'll interact with ayahuasca before trying it, but I'd highly advise experimenting with the combination of harmala alkaloids (such as you would use in ayahuasca) with LSD, psilocybin containing fungi, as well as DMT. Extracting your own DMT is very worthwhile and you can be sure of its purity, and pharmahuasca is perhaps the best, where you take extracted harmala alkaloids and DMT in separate gel caps, 30-60 minutes apart from one another. Harmalas first to inhibit MAO-A, the enzyme that breaks these down, and then 30-60 minutes later take the serotonergic. Harmalas also potentiate cannabis, bupropion, etc.

Mescaline can be easily extracted from San Pedro cacti, and salvia is also worth checking out if you're looking to branch out. Empathogens such as MDA or MDMA are worthwhile, as are dissociatives such as nitrous oxide, PCP, ketamine and DXM. Take time to get to know each one, and you'll find the tools that fit you best. 2C-B is a fantastic drug but it's got a rather shallow headspace, the visuals can be absolutely stunning but they really show up well in the 35-65mg range for me, but I'm notoriously hardheaded against psychedelics for some reason. Hardheaded in the way that I have taken numerous tenstrips of acid before and had an intense but still great time. All psychs have unique styles of visuals, mushrooms can be kind of cartoonish and dreamy, with an almost "hand-drawn" look to me. LSD is very sharp, crystalline, and has made me see myself standing outside my apartment in a driveway, watch my reflection walk away from the mirror I was staring into, a bird flew up and turned out to be a book full of alien symbols I couldn't read, then there were concentric rings of eyes around it like a goddamned biblical angel or something. 2C-B's visuals are more like mescaline's visuals but on fast-forward, phenethylamines have a very unique style of visual distortion, and they tend to require higher doses relative to indolic psychedelics (tryptamines and lysergamides) to generate equivalent intensity of visuals. The only exceptions to this that I'm aware of are N-Benzylated phenethylamines (25X-NBXX compounds), those are the only things other than high doses of LSD, DiPT, PCP, 2F-O-PCE, or DOC that had induced DMT-intensity visuals.

2C-B did this exactly once. I was working with powder (pressies are always underdosed) and insufflated 70-100mg. It was quite reckless, and was during a period of my life where I was just eyeballing every 2C-B dose I took, and they were all intranasal. I threw up exactly once, curled up in the fetal position and my vision became overrun with a flood of snakeskin-like patterns that remind me of the linework found in tribal tattoos or ancient, highly ornate mosques. I saw precognizant visions of myself in the future, consulted with peculiar ancestral spirits, and I came out of the trip reoriented in life overall. I have no idea if that was a remotely safe thing to do but it's advisable to get to know a drug in incremental doses. I had used 2C-B hundreds of times by time I pushed the dose that high, and I had people around not only to look out for me, but who were large enough to restrain me if a psychotic episode were to unfortunately occur. Don't try risky shit like wicked high doses of hallucinogens unless you've got safety mechanisms on hand like that, as well as preferably some "abort switches" like antipsychotics or at least benzos.
Thanks buddy! I think we chatted before about LSD. I am well versed in dxm and still have salvia laying around somewhere.

I think I need these harmalas for sure, Syrian Rue right? Yeah I've been tripping acid a bit wayy too often, like 3 gel tabs and barely fazed me(tolerance for sure) four days later I dropped 2 but left it under the tounge much longer and I could tell by the giddiness in the beginning that this trip was really what I have been looking for.
 
2C-B is full of magic for me. It is not as deep as other psychedelics for me, yet I find it totally unwarranted to call it a soul-less psychedelic. It is a great teacher for me, especially if it is about topics like self-acceptance and seeing love and wonder in the world. I don't take it all that often currently, but everytime I do I wonder why I don't take it more frequently, like every 2-3 weeks. In comparison to other "stronger/deeper" psychedelics, I find it is more malleable. This may make it seem less useful than other psychedelics, which will tell you the lesson or else! But it still gives valuable lessons, you just need to listen. And even though it is malleable in a lot of circumstances, I know of many people who have been handed a good ass-whooping. Trample too much on it and there is a good chance that even the seemingly endless patience of 2C-B will end ;) It is to be respected, like all drugs really (and each in a different way).

It's not too visual for me and bodyload/nausea was fine most of the time. I'd think even people for which it is more visual would say it is not necessarily more visual than lysergamides, just that the headspace doesn't scale accordingly. I pushed the oral dose beyond 40 mg, but I found it not worthwhile to wander too much out of the PiHKAL dose range for me (12 - 24 mg of the hydrochloride, oral). It has to be mentioned though that based on his notebooks, Shulgin seemed to dose in the 30 mg range often.

Regarding the nausea, Myron Stolaroff shared the observation that he often found it related to things people had to work through. When these mental blockades were removed, these people could push through to the magic space 2C-B offers too. I think this may be a bit self-serving (and maybe "victim"-blaming), but it is interesting to consider.
 
Powder but i also have the option to get it in gel capsules for slightly more. Dont have a scale accurate enough at that level mine can only really work within the range of ~50-100 milligram. Capsules are probably the best way to go. I would actually prefer if I got a powder with filler in it because potency that high scares me a bit
Just don't try eye balling it. The body load on high oral doses of 2cb can get extremely uncomfortable.

Still pretty mad that you don't have a proper mg scale just buy one dude they're cheap.
 
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