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25i&c questions and help

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if one was to get freebase 25i or c what would be the best way to convert it to hcl i have heard a bunch of different things. one that would be most interesting would be a simple one, also can freebase nbome be smoked?
 
Not sure about the ratio, but you need to dissolve it in vinegar.
 
It's possible to smoke freebase NBOMEs but it's kind of risky. Easy to overdose.

The easiest way to convert the NBOMes to HCl salts is by adding them to a solution of HCl and then mixing very vigourously. Other acids like citric acid or vinegar would work too.
 
You won't get an HCl by disolving it in vinegar. You will get an acetate salt. First try to dissolve what you have in a bit of water. If it starts to dissolve its not freebase. It's more likely that your vendor is talking out if his arse and doesn't know the meaning of the word freebase as I can't see any reason why anyone would want to manufacture an NBOMe that wasn't a salt.

If it really is a freebase, it won't dissolve, not even a tiny bit. It will just float around in top. Add little drops of dilute hydrochloric acid until its all dissolved and then evaporate the water off.
 
Where would i get dilute hydrochloric acid. and what are some brand names of it i could find? and are you sure this will work i think i saw that option in another forum and people argued about how hydrochloric acid would destroy the chemical and how it just wouldnt work anyways. the quanities is also 50 mg of 25c and 50 of 25i
Anon0631 said:
You won't get an HCl by disolving it in vinegar. You will get an acetate salt. First try to dissolve what you have in a bit of water. If it starts to dissolve its not freebase. It's more likely that your vendor is talking out if his arse and doesn't know the meaning of the word freebase as I can't see any reason why anyone would want to manufacture an NBOMe that wasn't a salt.

If it really is a freebase, it won't dissolve, not even a tiny bit. It will just float around in top. Add little drops of dilute hydrochloric acid until its all dissolved and then evaporate the water off.
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Yes. Not with NBOMe's because I have never seen it as a freebase. As I said, it's more likely the vendor is confusing the words 'freebase' and 'pure'.

Why would HCl distroy freebase alkaloids?

Buy HCl at a hardware store. look out for muriatic acid or spirits of salts. Or by some on eBay. You make it dilute by adding water to it. Be careful, wear gloves. You only need a tiny amount. I would suggest doing some more research before trying this as although its not hard at all, you need to take safety into account.
 
lots of 25I has been sold as freebase, it's not really uncommon. I think this question must have been asked a hundred times by now so you should really do some google searches, OP, and I am sure you can find a detailed description of how to do it.

Another possibility instead of turning it into HCl, is complexing it with cyclobetadextrine (or what ever it was called)
 
I have actually looked around for hours and did not find the answer i was looking for. i was thinking about complexing it but i wasnt sure how to go about that and the chemical u need doesnt seem like something you can buy at a store.is there a ratio to how much muriatic acid or spirits of salts i should use to water. 10 mg of freebase will be what needs to be turned into hcl.
 
if it is clear and water-white and fumes when exposed to moist air, yes.

common hardware store HCl is 30% w/w
1 mol 25i-nbome = 427g/mol
10 mg 25i = ~25 micromoles (0.025 mmol, 2.5x10^-5 mol)
25 micromoles of HCl = about 1mg pure HCl = 3 microliters or 3mg of hardware-store HCl per 10mg 25x-NBOMe.

Quick and dirty guide:
Mix 1 part hardware store HCl in 2 parts of water. Add an equal weight of this liquid to your NBOMe, mix well and let it evaporate.

Quicker and dirtier:
Mix 10mg of 25x-NBOMe with 2ml white vinegar. Heat gently and let evaporate.
 
i keep hearing do then vinger it will make it into hcl but then i always see people reply against it saying it wont
 
Vinegar won't make a HCl salt, but it will make a water soluble acetate salt. For most purposes it does not matter, both will dissolve in water.

If you don't have HCl on hand, just use vinegar and it will work fine.
 
if one was to disolve freebase into vinegar could u drip the vinegar into your nose and it will work like it was hcl?
 
I wouldn't drip either in your nose without evaporating off the extra acid first. It'd hurt quite a lot.

Any water soluble salt will be absorbed through the nose, gums etc.
 
what would be a good way of evap. vinegar? and will water soluble acetate salt be just as effectie as hcl?
 
How many times do I have to say it: vinegar will work just as well as HCl~!

Use some thought here, and maybe the search engine! This has been answered before, it's not rocket surgery. Usually people dry things by gently heating them, but you could also just leave it in a shallow dish and wait.
 
FYI the Union of Rocket Surgeons has distanced itself from the term, saying it does not come even close at comprehending the difficulties those mighty doctors face every day..
 
Oh my... I'd personally be a bit reluctant about giving people advise on how to convert "50 mg of 25I-NBOMe freebase" into a salt. There are so many variables in that bit between parentheses that I wouldn't trust the operation with someone who's open to dipping 25I-NBOMe-ified vinegar in his nose. I'm sorry to say it, but this sounds like asking for trouble.

And off topic, but the more I read about it, the more my initial gut feeling against these super potent phenethylamines proves right. It's just too risky for people who don't have proper scales or who don't know what they're doing.
 
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