Fight with the wife really...no GF. My marriage is over anyway. But enough about me. Went to his his house, and found his asleep on his desk with a handgun next to him. I mean....he ALWAYS has a handgun either on him or within reach. Just how he is. But, with his depression and all...I did get worried. So, when he was asleep....I took the firing pins out of the 3 handguns and shotgun he has at the house. He would never....but, hey....better safe than sorry. Right now, he is still really down. He actually didn't take his AM sub dose this morning. I told him about skipping days...but at the same time, I told him we didn't have enough to do that properly. So he said if things get rough, he will take the PM dose. At least this way he will have a little more for tomorrow. He is worried he will run out of xanax at the end of the month, as he is on 10mg instead of 8mg right now. So, I managed to get him some more...just in case. He started working again...he can't for prolonged periods of time, he gets a migrane and has to rest real fast...but that's a good sign he is doing some more work. More to come...
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24mg of subs (6, 4mg strips) IS IT ENOUGH????
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Update: He is done with his subs and is doing well. He is sleeping better, eating, working, etc. Only problem...is his back pain. He has been sleeping on the floor with triangle pillow on his knees that relives pressure from his lower back. The pain is really getting to him. He is going to see his pain management doc this week to see what else other than opiates he can take for the pain. He is not having and WD symptoms, he does feel awkward at times...I know he is in pain, I can see tears running down his face. I can't help anymore...I did all I can do. He is VERY agitated that he can't do anything about the pain...all that makes him feel better, is laying on the floor with his legs bent and a pillow under his knees. Otherwise....pain, 24/7. Poor guy...
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Jabberwocky
Frumious Bandersnatch
I'd look into ketamine therapy for the cp. Is it nerve related, or like a slipped disk or something? Wonder if he'd respond well to something like pregabalin for the pain
Pregabalin sounds familiar...I'll check with him. Ketamine therapy? Like ketaset..."special K"? She shit vets use? I remember playing with that stuff in college...shit can be a handful. Is that what you mean? I'm sure I can find it....
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Jabberwocky
Frumious Bandersnatch
Yup, that's what I'm talking about. I was thinking like sub-recreational/low dose infusion treatment with it, even a ketamine pump. If you buddy tolerate it it can be incredible effective. Might be a bit tricky to do one's self, but certainly possible. Just want to make sure he's talking the minimum possible to keep him as functional as can be.
Yea, I would imagine he's come across pregabalin. Worth looking into for sure. Can be a bit expensive without good insurance, but it can also work really well once one builds up a little tolerance to it. Might even help him cut down on the benzos a little bit, although this is neither here nor there given his situation with them.
And on gaba-b agonist notes, has he ever tried baclofen? Probably less effective than pregabalin, and certainly less so than ketamine, but it's cheap and accessible. Can work really well for some types of pain as well.
Yea, I would imagine he's come across pregabalin. Worth looking into for sure. Can be a bit expensive without good insurance, but it can also work really well once one builds up a little tolerance to it. Might even help him cut down on the benzos a little bit, although this is neither here nor there given his situation with them.
And on gaba-b agonist notes, has he ever tried baclofen? Probably less effective than pregabalin, and certainly less so than ketamine, but it's cheap and accessible. Can work really well for some types of pain as well.
manboychef
Bluelighter
I would highly suggest not going off the xanax until maybe sixty-ninety days after the acute withdrawal symptoms are over. This is about how long PAWS will last if you are doing everything right (which you are victor). If you stop the xanax at that dosage, even a fast taper, the anxiety and depression that comes with paws will make staying sober very difficult.
Also if he gets relief from bad anxiety from it, by all means take it. I am sober, but dependent on benzos. I have anxiety disorders that get treated well by the benzos, and I have realized I will be on them for life (or until something better comes along ) to treat insomnia, and to stop panic attacks from happening so regularly.
Another thing about PAWS sometimes he may feel it is over, but it is just not present. I actually had some pretty bad recurrences of PAWS symptoms at day thirty and around day eighty. I mean extreme depression, nail biting anxiety, and an overwhelming desire to get numb. Just keep an eye out for these things and be there for him when he feels that way.
Victor...I wish I had you around when I was detoxing. You have been a miracle worker for this fellow.
Also if he gets relief from bad anxiety from it, by all means take it. I am sober, but dependent on benzos. I have anxiety disorders that get treated well by the benzos, and I have realized I will be on them for life (or until something better comes along ) to treat insomnia, and to stop panic attacks from happening so regularly.
Another thing about PAWS sometimes he may feel it is over, but it is just not present. I actually had some pretty bad recurrences of PAWS symptoms at day thirty and around day eighty. I mean extreme depression, nail biting anxiety, and an overwhelming desire to get numb. Just keep an eye out for these things and be there for him when he feels that way.
Victor...I wish I had you around when I was detoxing. You have been a miracle worker for this fellow.
Subs do not cure addiction. All they do is eliminate severe withdrawals and stop people from doing scandalous shit like stealing, lying, OD, etc. Sadly people seem so focused on withdrawals that they believe once they get by that it's clear sailing. Well if that was true there wouldn't be a drug problem to speak of. 90% of getting clean is mental. You have centered your life around drugs that almost anything you do will be a trigger once past withdrawals. The huge tasks in front of people who look at how fucked up their life became and now face it sober is a daunting task. The environment, many take subs and little else and except miracles. Unless one changes their entire environment they are a relapse waiting to happen. Ideally it would be great to just move away and start over but that option for many is impossible so the next best thing is a complete overhaul. Lose the drug buddies - a must. Lose all contacts, begin a strict daily routine that keeps you busy and includes exercise and healthy diet. Boredom becomes a huge thing once sober. Anyone can attest to getting high and lounging around all day and night watching TV and feeling great. Once you try that routine straight you will become bored out of your skull and the temptation to use will be great. You must stay busy. Start small. Create a daily to do list and commit to completing it. Make a list of the cons of using and keep it handy it comes in when your mind starts to believe a little will be ok.
Here is a common list: I steal from loved ones, I can't shit for a week, constantly broke, all friends are junkies, accomplished shit this year, I have caused my family so much anguish, how selfish I am, no vacations, fear of drug tests, no work, can die on next use, my body is a physical wreck, hate being labeled a junkie the list is endless. Get help from a counselor or other group if your struggling. Get tough, make a commitment to one year goals to improve your life the way you want it. Remember it is a new beginning and you can shape it the way you choose.
Here is a common list: I steal from loved ones, I can't shit for a week, constantly broke, all friends are junkies, accomplished shit this year, I have caused my family so much anguish, how selfish I am, no vacations, fear of drug tests, no work, can die on next use, my body is a physical wreck, hate being labeled a junkie the list is endless. Get help from a counselor or other group if your struggling. Get tough, make a commitment to one year goals to improve your life the way you want it. Remember it is a new beginning and you can shape it the way you choose.