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2024 US Presidential Election

alasdairm said:
can you explain, in detail and with evidence, how it was not a fair trial and an example of due process?

he was found guilty on all counts by a jury of ny citizens. again, can you explain how all 12 jurors were 'got' and forced to return a guilty verdict? please show your work.
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We've already established that the establishment went to great lengths to smear Trump because they wanted a Democrat party in power. The obfuscation of the laptop and the bullshit intelligence dossier. These were done purely to seed the mind of the public in order so that they not vote for him.

And you think that a fair trial can be had by a bunch of yahoos that have been influenced by said propaganda? Can you prove that these people were not selected by the state, whether that be directly or indirectly (using surveillance to pick out more favourable candidates)?

You're having a laugh if you think the judicial system is watertight against corruption.
 
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We've already established that the establishment went to great lengths to smear Trump because they wanted a Democrat party in power. The obfuscation of the laptop and the bullshit intelligence dossier. These were done purely to seed the mind of the public in order so that they not vote for him.

And you think that a fair trial can be had by a bunch of yahoos that have been influenced by said propaganda? Can you prove that these people were not selected by the state, whether that be directly or indirectly (using surveillance to pick out more favourable candidates)?

You're having a laugh if you think the judicial system is watertight against corruption.
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Both prosecution and defense get to choose jury members not just the prosecution. Is the defense attorney working for the deep state too? I mean Trump can barely find an attorney that will actually work for him now
 
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Can you prove that these people were not selected by the state
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you're the one making the claim. it's incumbent on you to substantiate it.

"oh yeah? can you prove it's not?" is just weaksauce deflection.

if you can't substantiate something, it's ok to say that you don't know and you're just speculating.


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You're having a laugh if you think the judicial system is watertight against corruption.
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show me where i have ever said - or even implied - that "the judicial system is watertight against corruption" and i'll eat my hat.

the somewhat ironic twist here is that my mind is open on this. i don't know if the convictions were corrupt machination directly orchestrated by the biden administration or the deep state so educate me. show me how it was.

(and saying "it's so obvious and if you don't see it you're a moron" is not evidence).

alasdair
 
someguyontheinternet said:
The onus is always on the person making the claim to provide evidence to back up their claim
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"I said this happened, but there weren't any customers or staff on the shop floor at the time. Plus I told my two friends it happened, ask them" - E Carroll.

How do you square that circle. The jury found him guilty in that case. Where was the evidence, besides her word that it happened (over TWENTY years ago).
 
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"I said this happened, but there weren't any customers or staff on the shop floor at the time. Plus I told my two friends it happened, ask them" - E Carroll.

How do you square that circle. The jury found him guilty in that case. Where was the evidence, besides her word that it happened (over TWENTY years ago).
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Other evidence aside, you're claiming she told her friend in 1996 so she could do this in 2019? Helluva plot.
 
ions said:
A man that goes nearly 80 years without committing a crime suddenly commits 34 infractions.
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ions said:
A man that goes nearly 80 years without committing a crime suddenly commits 34 infractions.
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Its very well known that trump refuses to pay people who do work for him and cuts corners in every place possible. This is just the time they caught up to him because a lot of the documentation was in gov involved stuff
 
ions said:
A man that goes nearly 80 years without committing a crime suddenly commits 34 infractions.
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you're smarter than this ions.

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The jury found him guilty in that case. Where was the evidence, besides her word that it happened (over TWENTY years ago).
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why don't you prove that trump didn't do it? if not, we can just assume he's guilty, right?

:)

alasdair
 
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i've been reading a variety of pieces of post-debate analysis and most of it is not great for trump.

this is not some hatchet job by a sjw leftie democrat - this is karl rove:

A Catastrophic Debate for Trump

"He was angry and fixated on the past, and he failed to define Harris or her policies.

Tuesday’s debate between Kamala Harris and Donald Trump was a train wreck for him, far worse than anything Team Trump could have imagined.

Ms. Harris was often on offense, leaving Mr. Trump visibly rattled as she launched rocket after rocket at him. A New York Times analysis found she spent 46% of her time on the attack while Mr. Trump devoted 29% of his time to going after her. Debates aren’t won on defense.
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Will this debate have an effect? Yes, though perhaps not as much as Team Harris hopes or as much as Team Trump might fear. But there’s no putting lipstick on this pig. Mr. Trump was crushed by a woman he previously dismissed as “dumb as a rock.” Which raises the question: What does that make him?"

alasdair
 
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