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hate to break it to you but this is pretty much guaranteed.
2024 US Presidential Election
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Burnt Offerings
Bluelight Crew
That explanation ("I'm already rich so rich guys can't tell me what to do"), which I remember being uttered by Trump during his 2016 run, only makes sense IF he actually committed himself to policies which were "antiestablishment"
But I don't accept that premise. To me the fanatical hatred and war against Trump is just as easily explained by, at first, the fact that his persona just rubbed libs the wrong way (for obvious reasons), and then, more importantly, once he won it broke their brains because of the implications it had for their dogmatic and unquestioning faith in the system which undergirded their political and economic power. That's it.
I'll give a concrete example of a move he could've made which would've been legitimately "antiestablishment" (and would've been in-line with statements he made during his 2016 run): advocating for allowing the United States government to negotiate prices for drugs covered by federal programs like Medicare. The legislative branch (a.k.a. "the establishment", in this case) hasn't done jack-shit on this issue forever, in large part due to the economic influence of the private health insurance and pharmaceutical industries. Trump couldn't have made this happen just by waving his hand and issuing an edict, but he could've used the considerable power of the bully pulpit as president of the United States and leader of his party & movement to get recalitrant members of Congress to fall in line, ESPECIALLY against widely-unpopular entities like the private health insurance and pharmaceutical industries
He didn't do that, though. I'm struggling to think of any issues where he went up directly against the captains of industry, to tell you the truth.
Droppersneck
Bluelighter
He allowed for folx to sell health insurance across state lines, got rid of salt deductions(which caused major subsidies for subverted states to come to an end), shut down the establishments war efforts(only president of the modern era not to have started a conflict), negotiated peace deals in the ME the establishment didn’t want, he made an effort to close the porous border(which really aggravated the uniparty since it directly effects their robbing of the nations productivity and wealth), the NAFTA renegotiation had many implications on already established grifts set in place by bad actors, cutting regulations on American energy pushed back the establishments green scheme as well. Some of his biggest impacts were with pharmaceuticals and stopping gag order policies on prescription discounts as well as forcing the pharmaceutical companies to be competitive with global prices. Not all of the things he did made it to the finish line, as expected, but a lot of the massive propaganda campaigns/Russia conspiracies/ insane government and legal attacks were due to what he attempted to do. The liberal base will react fiercely to w/e social media and the TV is saying, they see it as their marching orders to show how good of a person they are. So I don’t put a ton stock in what they are saying, or the propaganda outlets telling them how to think, for that matter. Drunpf was extremely flawed and not perfect, but I’ll support literally anyone that’s pushing back against these people. Carter/ Reagan were the last presidents that even attempted pushback.
Xorkoth
Bluelight Crew
Reagan?? Reagan was like, THE establishment president. Reagan's policies are a big part of why the middle class is shrinking. Reagan, anti-establishment? No way, he paved the way for corporate takeover.
Droppersneck
Bluelighter
Nah they tried to kill him, literally and in the press. And they destroyed carter in the press.
Edit: yes he had some trash policies for sure, but he was no Obama or Bush
RDP89
Bluelighter
Trump is going to lose in the primary but still run in the general election as an independent.
Droppersneck
Bluelighter
I’ve thought for a while the establishments last ditch effort to get rid of trump was to get Ronna at the RNC for another term. Sometime soon they will change the RNC primaries to be more like the DNC. These rule changes is how they will rig it for deathsantis more than likely. But ultimately I think drumpf getting elected was a fluke. They believed their own nonsense and didn’t run the score up enough in those key counties, so he won. This can never happen again, after the Covid changes in voting laws. They suspended chain of custody requirements in many of these key counties, legalized ballot harvesting, no id requirements, vote by mail for any reason. I’m not sure how anyone is voting in 2024 and not just feeling silly. Sad state of affairs, all around
Jerry Atrick
Bluelight Crew
Dude, remember appeasement after WW1? Where Hitler and Mussolini got what they wanted because the West was afraid of another war after WW1? How was that any different than Trump buddying up with Putin and Kim Jong Un among others? Sure no new wars were started during his administration but he literally set the stage for Putin to invade Ukraine by sucking his cock and making calls to him on his personal phone while not allowing the National Archives to access the transcripts of several calls and meetings with Putin. Did you already forget why Trump was impeached the first time?
Negotiating peace deals in the ME? You mean hanging the Kurds out to dry in Syria? Or maybe you mean negotiating the release of thousands of Taliban from prison in Afghanistan? Or how he pulled out of the Iran nuclear agreement empowering them to begin making nukes again? The West was inches away from war with Iran when Trump authorized the assassination of Soleimani, which I'm pretty sure was illegal under international law. So please, miss me with this "peaceful president" crap.
How is the "green scheme" establishment? I've never heard of a single establishment republican advocate for anything green. Ever. Sure he cut regulations on American energy, because who really gives a shit about clean air, clean water, endangered species, etc?
For every positive thing Trump intended to do he fucked it all up by sabotaging his administration with tweets, golf, corruption, and scandal. Sure he pissed off a lot of people in both parties but he was hardly anti-establishment. He claimed he would drain the swamp but all he did was fill it with his own alligators. Besides, I don't put a ton of stock in people who get their propaganda... err um... news from youtube.
Droppersneck
Bluelighter
Bro you have seriously got to stop consuming western propaganda. It’s skewing your entire world view, to one that is socially acceptable but not very sober or accurate. All the things I laid out happened, I don’t like to get into speculation, but no one tried any funny business under drumpf bc he was unpredictable and a strong leader imo
Jerry Atrick
Bluelight Crew
All the things I laid out happened as well. I guess where we differ is in what each of us deems as acceptable.
Droppersneck
Bluelighter
Your Reddit style priorities seem to be very skewed and of a narrow purview. Folx get so upset over sound bites, and w/e nonsense social media tells them to be upset about. Mean while the banks are still robbing us blind and pushing perpetual wars, the fact that drunpf was out most anti war president since Carter, means something imo
Jerry Atrick
Bluelight Crew
Many reddit news posts link to actual journalistic articles, how is that any worse than googling shit? The memes are just entertainment. I don't even waste time reading comments because reddit is full of trolls and assholes. Besides, folks of your ilk get upset over soundbites too, just soundbites of a different variety.
I agree 100%
Appeasement
Pickledlemons
Bluelighter
I don't like Desantis, but I can say he's definitely more competent than Trump... making him possibly, more dangerous. IDK how he'd respond to the Ukraine war. Thats my primary concern. I can see Trump believing some stupid Putin lie and pulling support, he's that dumb. Then again Desantis rhetoric's hasn't been exactly encouraging either. But its possible he's just saying it to rip on Biden, at least he's smart enough to lie for a reason, as opposed to having thoughts that just blow in the wind like Trump.
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Burnt Offerings
Bluelight Crew
DeSantis is more likely to be a "team player" with the overall movement he's a part of IMO. Trump's ego rules everything so he's not much of a team player. The list of people/institutions he has shit on in the right-wing of American political life alone is staggering
Or the serial liar (George Santos).
jasperkent
Bluelighter
All kidding aside, I kinda like Cory Booker. Would he have a chance?
And personally I think Kamala Harris would make a good prez--- but I know damn well that she is unelectable. It ain't right, but it's reality.
I like Bernie too-- but he is also unelectable and getting too old as well.
Yes, I voted for Joe Biden. I think he's been an OK president-- not fantastic, but OK. But Jeezus fucking Christ it's time for him to enjoy retirement.
Who else do y'all think might be a good candidate?
And personally I think Kamala Harris would make a good prez--- but I know damn well that she is unelectable. It ain't right, but it's reality.
I like Bernie too-- but he is also unelectable and getting too old as well.
Yes, I voted for Joe Biden. I think he's been an OK president-- not fantastic, but OK. But Jeezus fucking Christ it's time for him to enjoy retirement.
Who else do y'all think might be a good candidate?
Fire&Water
Pumpkin King
Is this that "last man on earth" scenario?
mal3volent
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I might vote for Marianne Williamson instead of sleepy Joe.
I’d vote for Biden again. I think he has a good heart and truly does care about people. He is 80, but age alone isn’t a problem if his health is good.
i think biden is a poor candidate. harris too.
i have a lot of time for pete buttigieg but i don't think he runs. i don't think biden is challenged in the primary.
i think the democratic party needs to get real about long term success - they need young, smart leaders like buttigieg and they need to campaign on policy and ideas and refuse to play the power-at-any-cost game that drives washington politics. they may not win the next election, or even the next two or three elections, but they create a party with a soul, a clear platform and a plan for getting it done.
running biden is driven by fear of losing in 2024 and they need to be much bolder than that.
alasdair
i have a lot of time for pete buttigieg but i don't think he runs. i don't think biden is challenged in the primary.
i think the democratic party needs to get real about long term success - they need young, smart leaders like buttigieg and they need to campaign on policy and ideas and refuse to play the power-at-any-cost game that drives washington politics. they may not win the next election, or even the next two or three elections, but they create a party with a soul, a clear platform and a plan for getting it done.
running biden is driven by fear of losing in 2024 and they need to be much bolder than that.
alasdair