2024 US Presidential Election

[brokedownpalace10]

Because all the factors that influence the final conclusion - which him, you and the mainstream subscribe to - are not bound to that final conclusion. He acknowledges many (but not all of them) of the problems in making the measurements, which are valid points in and of themselves. You all believe the conclusion is valid, I do not, because I see all the numerous factors at play in getting those measurements and see just how easy it is for a huge margin of error to creep in or to draw a faulty conclusion.

Put it another way; I'm not convinced that the conclusion drawn can be drawn, given the inherent multiple factors working against getting an accurate data set.

(sigh) *Again*. He said satellite measurements were quite accurate but that sea level at individual spots was influenced by many factors. Then he also said that the factors which might influence sea level in a certain spot would have an inverse influence somewhere else. Melting ice lowering sea level near Greenland would cause a commensurate rise elsewhere. You're conveniently leaving that out (again). He says that individual measurements can thus not be accurate for measuring sea level rise but that all the satellite measurements take as a whole can.

Thus, you hearing one data point in the video, totally disregarding the rest, and drawing faulty conclusions from that is exactly like Trump telling us to inject bleach.

 

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He says that individual measurements can thus not be accurate for measuring sea level rise but that all the satellite measurements take as a whole can.

And again, I don't really care what he believes. The fact is that the number of factors working against getting accurate measurements to begin with, let alone deriving a definitive conclusion about it, means massive margin for error and erroneous conclusions.

Hence why the Maldives is continuing to gain inward investment and the elite are still buying up shorefront properties, because they know it's all fraudulent bullshit for the plebs to consume.

 

[brokedownpalace10]

And again, I don't really care what he believes. The fact is that the number of factors working against getting accurate measurements to begin with, let alone deriving a definitive conclusion about it, means massive margin for error and erroneous conclusions.

Hence why the Maldives is continuing to gain inward investment and the elite are still buying up shorefront properties, because they know it's all fraudulent bullshit for the plebs to consume.

Dude. Repetition is not a retort. You got nuthin'
And, we've also debunked anyone making the prediction you claimed was made about the Maldives.

 

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Dude. Repetition is not a retort. You got nuthin'

It's not a retort, you just don't grasp the point so all I can do is repeat it.

And, we've also debunked anyone making the prediction you claimed was made about the Maldives.

No, you haven't.
Threat to Islands - Canberra Times, 1988

A gradual rise in average sea level is threatening to completely cover this India Ocean nation of 1196 small island in the next 30 years, according to authorities.

The Environmental Affairs Director, Mr Hussein Shihab, said an estimated rise of 20 to 30 centimetres in the next 20 to 40 years could be catastrophic for most of the islands.

The United Nations Environment Project was planning a study of the problem.

The Maldives authorities didn't come up with those estimates though. Most likely it was passed to them by the United Nations or one of its NGO collaborators.

 

[brokedownpalace10]

It's not a retort, you just don't grasp the point so all I can do is repeat it.

No, you haven't.
Threat to Islands - Canberra Times, 1988



The Maldives authorities didn't come up with those estimates though. Most likely it was passed to them by the United Nations or one of its NGO collaborators.

It's not hard to get what your trying to say. You've certainly repeated it enough. And I've rather clearly shown that you were cherry picking parts of the video to draw erroneous conclusions while completely ignoring other parts which conflicted with your preconceived notions.

Lol, a newspaper scan? Anyway, Maldivian politicians did predict that, so there's that. Mea Culpa.
However, a deeper search also revealed that the Maldivians are running out of freshwater, are building new islands, have built a wall around their capitol city, have other extensive land reclamation projects, and are buying land in other countries for relocation. So, real people are having real effects from sea level rise there, right now.

 

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However, a deeper search also revealed that the Maldivians are running out of freshwater, are building new islands, have built a wall around their capitol city, have other extensive land reclamation projects, and are buying land in other countries for relocation. So, real people are having real effects from sea level rise there, right now.

None of that has anything to do with sea-level rise at all.

Lol, a newspaper scan? Anyway, Maldivian politicians did predict that, so there's that.

Nice mental gymnastics. As if they just randomly pulled a specific projection like that out of their arses for no reason.

 

[brokedownpalace10]

None of that has anything to do with sea-level rise at all.

Nice mental gymnastics. As if they just randomly pulled a specific projection like that out of their arses for no reason.

"running out of freshwater (because it's being tainted with salt water), building new islands, building a (sea) wall around their capitol city, extensive land reclamation projects, and buying land in other countries for relocation." has nothing to do with sea level rise?
Lol. You're a piece of work. Then you say "mental gymnastics" in the next sentence in a typical example of Trumpian projection. Wow.

Even though it's clear to anyone not in denial that the prediction was only incorrect in time frame and not in the fact that it's happening, if you think the authorities got that prediction from elsewhere, you can prove that to me. Unlike you, I do have an open mind to new data. I was merely citing data from the link you provided, as I have been.

Projection, cherry picking, denial, are you going to come up with a nickname for me now as well?

 

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typical example of Trumpian projection

You dropped that limp 'Trump' connection twice. I can't take anyone seriously who is caught up in that mindset - I'm not American, but a parallel example is British people who always bring shit back to Brexit or some other post-2010 liberal whinging point of contention. Putting you on ignore.

 

[brokedownpalace10]

You dropped that limp 'Trump' connection twice. I can't take anyone seriously who is caught up in that mindset - I'm not American, but a parallel example is British people who always bring shit back to Brexit or some other post-2010 liberal whinging point of contention. Putting you on ignore.

Three times, actually. The first time I said, "To bring the thread back to the Presidential race.", which is the subject of the thread.
See ya.

 

[LucidSDreamr]

I’ve voted Democrat my whole life. This past 4 years seeing how they’ve “handled” the post Covid fallout and trillionaire money grab; contributed to identity politics battles that are stupd and pointless in the face of economic and healthcare issues…and to ice it all off they are running the criminal dementia patient.

Im sorry to say it. Trump is a vile evil piece of filth but he is not suffering from neurological deficits like Biden is. Seeing Democrats parade Dianne fienstiens demented corpse around the senate like it was normal.

Kamal Harris is the fakest just weirdest MF I’ve ever heard pick up a microphone: I don’t know what is wrong with her

Im done with the party. I am no longer a democrat. I still
Hate Republicans as much as I always have but it hurts more to get let down by your own team
So to speak.

I don’t see myself ever voting again. Part of me hopes democrats get obliterated this election cycle to maybe teach them a lesson. Relibkicans are too stupid and evil
To learn lessons so it doesn’t matter what they do.

But im
Done with the party. No more votes at all.

I live in California; the amount of corruptiom
And decay being allowed here by democrats on full
Control is unforgivable.

I’m never voting again. And im not the only left wing person that feels this way. Democrats are going to have problems because of this attitude

 

[someguyontheinternet]

Its all a clown show. I would just vote for he people that actually improve the lives of their constituents

 

[brokedownpalace10]

I’ve voted Democrat my whole life. This past 4 years seeing how they’ve “handled” the post Covid fallout and trillionaire money grab; contributed to identity politics battles that are stupd and pointless in the face of economic and healthcare issues…and to ice it all off they are running the criminal dementia patient.

Im sorry to say it. Trump is a vile evil piece of filth but he is not suffering from neurological deficits like Biden is. Seeing Democrats parade Dianne fienstiens demented corpse around the senate like it was normal.

Kamal Harris is the fakest just weirdest MF I’ve ever heard pick up a microphone: I don’t know what is wrong with her

Im done with the party. I am no longer a democrat. I still
Hate Republicans as much as I always have but it hurts more to get let down by your own team
So to speak.

I don’t see myself ever voting again. Part of me hopes democrats get obliterated this election cycle to maybe teach them a lesson. Relibkicans are too stupid and evil
To learn lessons so it doesn’t matter what they do.

But im
Done with the party. No more votes at all.

I live in California; the amount of corruptiom
And decay being allowed here by democrats on full
Control is unforgivable.

I’m never voting again. And im not the only left wing person that feels this way. Democrats are going to have problems because of this attitude

They're all too old, I'll give you that. Remember Mitch totally locking up during a few interviews? How many times did he do that in private and stayed in office stacking the SCOTUS? Still in office now but finally said he'd go home.

 

[LucidSDreamr]

They're all too old, I'll give you that. Remember Mitch totally locking up during a few interviews? How many times did he do that in private and stayed in office stacking the SCOTUS? Still in office now but finally said he'd go home.

The age thing is one thing.

But city and state government in CA isn’t infected what these 90 year olds but the corruption and robbery going on to the tax payer is absolutely off the charts.

Oaklands mayor was just raided by the FBI yesterday at her home.

They lost 20 billion in tax dollars that was for helping the homeless and nobody knows where it went.

SF built a 2 million dollar one stal bathroom and garbage cans in the city that at 20K each.

We are being robbed blind by these fuckers…but hey at least we have person freedoms unlike red states

 

[alasdairm]

Trump is a vile evil piece of filth but he is not suffering from neurological deficits like Biden is.

really?

"They put restrictors and they put them on in places like here where there’s so much water, you don’t know what to do with it. It’s called rain. It rains a lot in certain places. But no, their idea did you see the other day? I opened it up and they closed it again. I opened it. They closed it. Washing machines to wash your dishes. There’s a problem. They don’t want you to have any water. They want no water." (trump, philly rally, june 2024)

"And he said, “Nobody ever asked this question, and it must be because of MIT, my relationship to MIT,” very smart.

I say, “What would happen if the boat sank from its weight and you’re in the boat and you have this tremendously powerful battery and the battery’s underwater, and there’s a shark that’s approximately 10 yards over there?”

By the way, a lot of shark attacks lately. Do you notice that? A lot of shark… I watched some guys justifying it today. “Well, they weren’t really that angry. They bit off the young lady’s leg because of the fact that they were not hungry, but they misunderstood who she was.” These people are crazy.

He said, “There’s no problem with sharks. They just didn’t really understand a young woman swimming now who really got decimated and other people too,” a lot of shark attacks.

So I said, “So there’s a shark 10 yards away from the boat, 10 yards or here. Do I get electrocuted if the boat is sinking, and water goes over the battery, the boat is sinking. Do I stay on top of the boat and get electrocuted or do I jump over by the shark and not get electrocuted?” Because I will tell you he didn’t know the answer.

He said, “Nobody’s ever asked me that question.”

I said, “I think it’s a good question. I think there’s a lot of electric current coming through that water.” But you know what I’d do if there was a shark or you get electrocuted, I’ll take electrocution every single time. I’m not getting near the shark."
(trump, vegas rally, june 2024)

SF built a 2 million dollar one stal bathroom

yeah, jnowhere was repeating this lie for a while...

the original plan would have had the city paying $1.7m (which i agree would have been insane) but, once you get past the sensationalism, the actual cost to the city is closer to $300k.

alasdair

 

[brokedownpalace10]

really?

"They put restrictors and they put them on in places like here where there’s so much water, you don’t know what to do with it. It’s called rain. It rains a lot in certain places. But no, their idea did you see the other day? I opened it up and they closed it again. I opened it. They closed it. Washing machines to wash your dishes. There’s a problem. They don’t want you to have any water. They want no water." (trump, philly rally, june 2024)

"And he said, “Nobody ever asked this question, and it must be because of MIT, my relationship to MIT,” very smart.

I say, “What would happen if the boat sank from its weight and you’re in the boat and you have this tremendously powerful battery and the battery’s underwater, and there’s a shark that’s approximately 10 yards over there?”

By the way, a lot of shark attacks lately. Do you notice that? A lot of shark… I watched some guys justifying it today. “Well, they weren’t really that angry. They bit off the young lady’s leg because of the fact that they were not hungry, but they misunderstood who she was.” These people are crazy.

He said, “There’s no problem with sharks. They just didn’t really understand a young woman swimming now who really got decimated and other people too,” a lot of shark attacks.

So I said, “So there’s a shark 10 yards away from the boat, 10 yards or here. Do I get electrocuted if the boat is sinking, and water goes over the battery, the boat is sinking. Do I stay on top of the boat and get electrocuted or do I jump over by the shark and not get electrocuted?” Because I will tell you he didn’t know the answer.

He said, “Nobody’s ever asked me that question.”

I said, “I think it’s a good question. I think there’s a lot of electric current coming through that water.” But you know what I’d do if there was a shark or you get electrocuted, I’ll take electrocution every single time. I’m not getting near the shark."
(trump, vegas rally, june 2024)




yeah, jnowhere was repeating this lie for a while...

the original plan would have had the city paying $1.7m (which i agree would have been insane) but, once you get past the sensationalism, the actual cost to the city is closer to $300k.

alasdair

Thanks for that. Yeah, Trump's way off the rails mentally. He's not just slow, he's fucked in the head.
Biden is too old, but he's actually impressed me with what he's done and tried to get done. We might have pot off schedule one before he leaves office if we're lucky.

Dems are corrupt as well, but we're stuck with the two party thing as long as the Electoral College is in place. Think about it. Ross Perot got 19% of the vote and zero electoral votes.

And, at least the Dems do believe in Democracy. The Repugs would love a coup and a dictatorship at the mo'

Historically, with old school Repugs (never thought I'd miss them), what I said was... "Yeah, the Democrats are corrupt as well. But, under them I get a bigger slice of the pie."

And, hey lucidsdreamr, there is that personal freedom thing.

 

[LucidSDreamr]

really?

"They put restrictors and they put them on in places like here where there’s so much water, you don’t know what to do with it. It’s called rain. It rains a lot in certain places. But no, their idea did you see the other day? I opened it up and they closed it again. I opened it. They closed it. Washing machines to wash your dishes. There’s a problem. They don’t want you to have any water. They want no water." (trump, philly rally, june 2024)

"And he said, “Nobody ever asked this question, and it must be because of MIT, my relationship to MIT,” very smart.

I say, “What would happen if the boat sank from its weight and you’re in the boat and you have this tremendously powerful battery and the battery’s underwater, and there’s a shark that’s approximately 10 yards over there?”

By the way, a lot of shark attacks lately. Do you notice that? A lot of shark… I watched some guys justifying it today. “Well, they weren’t really that angry. They bit off the young lady’s leg because of the fact that they were not hungry, but they misunderstood who she was.” These people are crazy.

He said, “There’s no problem with sharks. They just didn’t really understand a young woman swimming now who really got decimated and other people too,” a lot of shark attacks.

So I said, “So there’s a shark 10 yards away from the boat, 10 yards or here. Do I get electrocuted if the boat is sinking, and water goes over the battery, the boat is sinking. Do I stay on top of the boat and get electrocuted or do I jump over by the shark and not get electrocuted?” Because I will tell you he didn’t know the answer.

He said, “Nobody’s ever asked me that question.”

I said, “I think it’s a good question. I think there’s a lot of electric current coming through that water.” But you know what I’d do if there was a shark or you get electrocuted, I’ll take electrocution every single time. I’m not getting near the shark."
(trump, vegas rally, june 2024)




yeah, jnowhere was repeating this lie for a while...

the original plan would have had the city paying $1.7m (which i agree would have been insane) but, once you get past the sensationalism, the actual cost to the city is closer to $300k.

alasdair

Trump is a stupid person speaking to barley literate audiences. He talks for hours and hours as lib. Of course really dumb things that don’t make sense are going to come out of his mouth l.

You sit there are try to talk shit for 3 hours straight and entertain a crowd and see if something besides poetic genius comes out.

I’m gonna both sides it but find my a single interview of Biden sitting down at a table with someone and having a conversation.

Find my a recording of a speech or conversation he’s had that doesn’t involve reading of a promoter or written speech.

I can’t give you Biden quotes because they don’t exist. His staffers that run the country don’t let him speak.

Find me some. Show me footage of Biden given a non written speech or sitting for long format interview with ANYONE. It doesn’t exist man. He’s cognitively incapable of even spewing bullshit that some moronic lie of an irrelevant story like Trump can at least do

Just like fienstienms handlers hid her like a secret and barley let her see the light of day.

I hate trump too and would prefer Bidens staffers run America like they do now; but respectfully; I think you’re letting your rightful hatred of Trump cloud the reality of what we’re dealing with in Biden.

show me a single long format or non scripted speech or interview of Biden and you can change my mind.

 

[alasdairm]

your claim was that trump "is not suffering from neurological deficits".

my reply was counterpoint to your claim. he may be, based on many things he's said recently, two examples of which i offered.

my counterpoint has nothing to do with biden.

alasdair

 

[LucidSDreamr]

your claim was that trump "is not suffering from neurological deficits".

my reply was counterpoint to your claim. he may be, based on many things he's said recently, two examples of which i offered.

my counterpoint has nothing to do with biden.

alasdair

your entire reply which was about trump en toto was in response to a post I made which was completely about Biden.

So no, this conversation is about Biden, I started the conversation about Biden.

And just because Trump is genuinely stupid and talks tons of stupid shit to keep stupid people entertained…I don’t think that that qualifies as a neurological deficit.

He’s old sure, but that aside I just don’t cognitive decline even though he’s a vile pig. He’s as dumb as any barley literate schmo you’ll meet on the street and says outlandish things to fill air time but he’s not compromised.

Biden though; he literally cannot put a point together or speak on any subject. Trump can. Trunp
Says some insane word salad that doesn’t make sense as you quoted. But you’re cherry picking. Trump sits for tons of to reviews and makes plenty of sound points even though they are lies and wrong; they make sense as far as what they are explaining.

But Biden cannot do this. He cannot be asked questions and have a conversation, he has neurodegeneration.

You guys can keep buying your head in the sand about this issue and equating trump being stupid and a shit talked to Biden being mentally disabled. But ignoring it ain’t going to win any elections.

I predict Biden gets completely demolished in the debate tonight despite Trump having soooooo much bagge right now; Biden won’t pounce, he can’t. He’s gonna stick to a memorized script when any normal person could rip trump
To shreds on that stage with all the ammo he’s given his opponent

 

[brokedownpalace10]

I hate trump too and would prefer Bidens staffers run America like they do now;

A few points I really maybe shouldn't make, but
Trump does have teleprompters and strays into word salad when they malfunction.
His straying and slurring do show rather severe neurodegeneration.
He has said many things he had to backtrack during interviews. You're right, he can sound good, but content and policy matter.

Read any Trump speech or interview. It reads rambling and crazy although he speaks well. It's that more than cherry picking you're noticing
Read any of the Biden speeches or whatever. He comes across well when you read the content but looks old when speaking. Puffy eyes for one.

Biden's degeneration is confusing words and being slow, he doesn't say the patently crazy stuff. The content makes sense and I agree with the policy.

But, the real point. As you say, Biden has picked good people. As you also say, Trump and his people lie and talk and do stupid shit. Remember the injecting bleach thing? Biden has picked good, competent people and IMO is competent himself although slow possibly forgetful. What he does isn't crazy.
I'm 69 next week. I can still do a good job at whatever. I can't do a fast job. My eyes have also gotten a bit puffy.


Remember that Reagan had pretty severe Alzheimer's in his second term and his people ran the country,
Dude, we need younger people. You're right about that. I just remember what it was like to have a crazy man that the rest of the world hated during a national disaster.
Under Biden, we have inflation like the rest of the world. We don't have fear of the country totally going off the rails.

Oh, and I voted for Kamala Harris in the primary. I'd love to see a debate between her and Trump. She'd tell Trump to suck her dick, and it's probably bigger than mine.
Kidding, I voted for her because she is more moderate than Elizabeth Warren, who I'd really have liked to see as President.

 

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Read any of the Biden speeches or whatever. He comes across well when you read the content but looks old when speaking. Puffy eyes for one.

I'm sure all teleprompter speeches look pretty decent.

Don't be naïve, come on. You can tell who can speak off the cuff, like Trump or Nigel Farage, and who has clearly rehearsed their lines and been coached on the direction to take in a speech or interview. This happens all over the place, and why politicians of the modern era do not do public question and answers, but only answer questions within the confines of a controlled corporate environment. They all meltdown in the face of unscripted situations where they have to call on their own personality and beliefs, but because they don't actually have any they can't answer anything.

We had an election debate on the TV the other week in the UK, 7 way with all prospective leaders. Even the young Green party leader couldn't speak from personal conviction, she continually was looking down at her notes! And she was probably only 40ish.

You guys can keep buying your head in the sand about this issue and equating trump being stupid and a shit talked to Biden being mentally disabled. But ignoring it ain’t going to win any elections.

There is no convincing these people, they are lost, caught up in some delusion about Trump being a fascist leader to whom they are the resistance by merely squawking about it. The fact they would instead choose a morally bankrupt career politician who is now completely senile just shows you how removed from reality these people are, it's ridiculous.